10% ?? When have you seen that?? 1-2% is more like it. You think guys on the tour that win 300k are giving 30 to the dealers?? No way! Most don't even tip(I hate those kind)
The Taj Mahal in AC has two ESPN tournaments a year. They also run smaller ones the week before. The casino guarantees the dealers $20 an hour but keeps the tips the dealers get. Anything collected by the tips that go over over what the amount paid by the casino to the dealers they are supposed to divide between the dealers. They never have received a penny, therefore I wont tip a dime in that situation.
The Taj Mahal in AC has two ESPN tournaments a year. They also run smaller ones the week before. The casino guarantees the dealers $20 an hour but keeps the tips the dealers get. Anything collected by the tips that go over over what the amount paid by the casino to the dealers they are supposed to divide between the dealers. They never have received a penny, therefore I wont tip a dime in that situation.
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What did you think about the odds % that guy was throwing out?....House Adv 5.8% on 00 Roulette, .6 % on Craps, .8 % on single deck black jack are those accurate? I don't usually play tables except for the old 50 cent Roulette at Boardwalk when I was bored...I hear its gone, we must have killed them with columns and doubles...My biggest day was like $13.
I can't get into the show, not sure why. Just comes across as boring to me, maybe I haven't given it enough of a chance.
For those discussing tips, no tournament player in the world is going to tip 10%? Not in a decent sized tournament, if you play quarter poker or something small like we get stuck with down here then perhaps. But real players in normal tournaments usually tip around 1.5 to 2%, and believe me it's not easy getting that out of them at times. Plenty of players think that's too high.
Lot of places seem to be going towards taking toke money right off the top of the buy in, that way you save yourself from the dealers getting cheated and the players don't have to worry about under/over tipping. As KM said nothing is worse then a few of the top winners in a tournament stiffing the dealers or leaving way less then what is considered fair. A lot of hard work for those people dealing the cards, taking care of them is part of the game.
For those discussing tips, no tournament player in the world is going to tip 10%? Not in a decent sized tournament, if you play quarter poker or something small like we get stuck with down here then perhaps. But real players in normal tournaments usually tip around 1.5 to 2%, and believe me it's not easy getting that out of them at times. Plenty of players think that's too high.
Lot of places seem to be going towards taking toke money right off the top of the buy in, that way you save yourself from the dealers getting cheated and the players don't have to worry about under/over tipping. As KM said nothing is worse then a few of the top winners in a tournament stiffing the dealers or leaving way less then what is considered fair. A lot of hard work for those people dealing the cards, taking care of them is part of the game.
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Pat- Some observations on your comments.
1. Show is boring for those that have been associated with gambling, mainly high stakes poker, such as yourself.
2. Very hard to tip dealers a decent amount at certain tournaments that allready take-out an embarrassing amount off the top. Have you seen these tourneys offered up at the Hard Rock in Tampa? Its an outrage, what a joke..........some 20-25% off the top.
1. Show is boring for those that have been associated with gambling, mainly high stakes poker, such as yourself.
2. Very hard to tip dealers a decent amount at certain tournaments that allready take-out an embarrassing amount off the top. Have you seen these tourneys offered up at the Hard Rock in Tampa? Its an outrage, what a joke..........some 20-25% off the top.
The show was stupid and pretty unrealistic. But like all other "reality based" shows it is supposed to be entertaining I guess. Basically ESPN's way of continuing to gravy train the hype that surrounds poker these days. I figure it lasts another couple years. People are going broje every day due to this. I see guys in the rooms in LA losing thousands upon thousands of dollars then they just stop showing up. So it is no secret what is happening. Unlike with sports which is still basically illegal and stil looked upon in a negative. Poker is glorified these days. And a hell of a lot easier to lose money at. Even in the $200 buy in No Limit games. They might dig 3 or 4 times a night. Do that for a couple nights and it adds up pretty fast. I basically quit betting on sports for this fall and winter. I don't bet the NBA anyways, but with all this money rolling around I don't even have to bet the NCAA hoops as much either.
You can't win every night, but it is sure a lot more money and a lot easier to profit on a consistant basis.
As for tournies and all that. Most of those are for guys with no bank roll or a lot of time on their hands looking to hit a big one. Most tournies around here pay a few grand, but it isa crap shoot. With the multiple re buys and people that have no clue that bust you when they catch a river it just isn't worth it. Because you can't make any money of those guys individually later on. Once you bust out you are done. Plain and simple. If you go bust in game, you can re buy in and get that money back and maybe more. Especially when the guy is so bad EVERYONE is calling him.
I wasn't at the Bash, but having a pre tourny $20 tip sounds like it might as well have been an entry fee. If that was the intention then announce it before hand. At most card rooms dealers know going in that they are not going to get tiped when they deal in tourneys, unless they deal the final table, and like any other hierarchy those dealers have some preferencial status going for them, so they get rotated when the numbers grow thin. SO most dealers know the score to begn with. Not sure how all the math worked out, but sound like close to a grand was raised before the tourny started. Depending on the number of dealers used, sounds like a banner few hours for them in any case, add on the extra that the winners threw in and it was an even bigger bonus.
I have nothing against tipping and I throw a more than generous amount to delaers, especially the ones I know. But it is a personal preference thing to me. So to be guilted or 'tricked' into an amount that might seem high, is an undertsandable point.
If you want to get the dealers and the floor people some money charge a few bucks. But then the turn out for it would be lower. But calling it free and saying you are 'collecting' for the dealers seems back door for sure. It isn't the amount, it is the principle. The guys that would pay it anyways would pay the entry fee, but be up front about it. Or do what they have started to do here. If you tip the dealer BEFORE the game you get an extra whte chip (100 bux) to start out with. You don't HAVE to do it, and not doing so is no clear disadvantage, but it makes you feel like you are getting something for that three bux or whatever you tipped.
I am sure it was brought to someone's attention in the first place by a floorman or a rep from the Nugget that these dealers weren't getting compenstated and a few bucks from a player would be aprreciated. Plus I am sure the floormen were looking to get a few bucks for themselves. That is business. Especially in Vegas.
But as it is they are al trying to ride this poker wave for as long as it lasts and as long as the money continues to flow. It is destined to collapse sooner or later so get what you can before that happens.
You can't win every night, but it is sure a lot more money and a lot easier to profit on a consistant basis.
As for tournies and all that. Most of those are for guys with no bank roll or a lot of time on their hands looking to hit a big one. Most tournies around here pay a few grand, but it isa crap shoot. With the multiple re buys and people that have no clue that bust you when they catch a river it just isn't worth it. Because you can't make any money of those guys individually later on. Once you bust out you are done. Plain and simple. If you go bust in game, you can re buy in and get that money back and maybe more. Especially when the guy is so bad EVERYONE is calling him.
I wasn't at the Bash, but having a pre tourny $20 tip sounds like it might as well have been an entry fee. If that was the intention then announce it before hand. At most card rooms dealers know going in that they are not going to get tiped when they deal in tourneys, unless they deal the final table, and like any other hierarchy those dealers have some preferencial status going for them, so they get rotated when the numbers grow thin. SO most dealers know the score to begn with. Not sure how all the math worked out, but sound like close to a grand was raised before the tourny started. Depending on the number of dealers used, sounds like a banner few hours for them in any case, add on the extra that the winners threw in and it was an even bigger bonus.
I have nothing against tipping and I throw a more than generous amount to delaers, especially the ones I know. But it is a personal preference thing to me. So to be guilted or 'tricked' into an amount that might seem high, is an undertsandable point.
If you want to get the dealers and the floor people some money charge a few bucks. But then the turn out for it would be lower. But calling it free and saying you are 'collecting' for the dealers seems back door for sure. It isn't the amount, it is the principle. The guys that would pay it anyways would pay the entry fee, but be up front about it. Or do what they have started to do here. If you tip the dealer BEFORE the game you get an extra whte chip (100 bux) to start out with. You don't HAVE to do it, and not doing so is no clear disadvantage, but it makes you feel like you are getting something for that three bux or whatever you tipped.
I am sure it was brought to someone's attention in the first place by a floorman or a rep from the Nugget that these dealers weren't getting compenstated and a few bucks from a player would be aprreciated. Plus I am sure the floormen were looking to get a few bucks for themselves. That is business. Especially in Vegas.
But as it is they are al trying to ride this poker wave for as long as it lasts and as long as the money continues to flow. It is destined to collapse sooner or later so get what you can before that happens.
