This pisses me OFF the way I was treated by WagerStreet ...

[chalkeater]

Picasso,

Bob S is trying to come off as a "good guy" in here, but trust me, he was anything but. I accept a MAJORITY of the responsibility here, but I don't believe I need to be threatened with my information being given out to 60 or 70 different books he has connections with. That is, very unprofessional, to say the least. Existing or potential customers should take warning of this act. It may have been said in haste or a spur of the moment reaction, but who's to say he wouldn't follow up on his threat?

Lander, I didn't cheat. Cheating implies that I have 100 % control of the outcome and guaranteed victory. As you know, this was not the case. A book hangs a number, I bang the number. I don't work for them. Besides, if I was a square bettor and did not know the correct line, do you think I would have had my wager refunded? Judging by Bob S. reactions tonight and accusations, I think it is same to assume the answer is NO.

My offer still stands. Cancel both wagers and I pay $40.00 in juice. Wagerstreet stands to make $40.00 for my action.

I think that is a fair resolution.

CE

 

[lander]

Squares don't middle, so I don't see the relevancy of your hypothetical scenario. You knew the line was bad, and it was obvious that you knew - so Bob bitch slapped you.

Next don't cheat and you won't get bitch slapped.

 

[Jazz]

Chalk: was it Bob S. specifically you were referring to in this passage?

"I accept a MAJORITY of the responsibility here, but I don't believe I need to be threatened with my information being given out to 60 or 70 different books he has connections with. That is, very unprofessional, to say the least."

Whoever threatened you with that is a piece of shit, if indeed this is true. Not saying Bob said this, I'm just asking, but sharing information like that would violate all kinds of laws if these people were actually REGULATED by ANY laws.

 

[Jazz]

Also, to be clear: I am not addressing this particular wager, I am addressing solely the alleged threat.

 

another scammer

 

[chalkeater]

bob s,

The wager WAS not cancelled before the 2nd half started. True, the wager was cancelled well before the outcome was decided, but I am not questioning that. Never have and never will.

Both games had started, but only the Michigan game was cancelled. Either cancel them both or allow them to stand. It doesn't matter if you cancelled the bet 1 or 2 minutes into the 2nd half, the game had started.

I can't be responsible for what line your linesmaker puts up. I see a line, I bet the line. Does that make me a bad gambler? Perhaps in your eyes, but I don't believe so. I've been doing this for a long time and I have never been treated so rudely by anyone as I was by you tonight. I know you have the power of authority, but I believe your PR skills are lacking.

My offer still stands. I would like to reach a resolution shortly.

Thank you.

CE

 

[chalkeater]

Jazz,

I don't know for sure if it was indeed Bob S I was talking to on the phone, but I am almost certain it was, as he is the one who is actively responding to my messages here in this forum.

He took the initative to respond, so I am assuming it is indeed him.

michael777, how am I am scammer? Please do explain.

CE

 

[chalkeater]

Lander,

Bob S did not bitch slap anyone. Bob S needs to run a tighter ship at Wagerstreet. I cannot do that for him and I cannot be responsible for the lines that are posted. I see a line, I bet a line.

I didn't cheat. Cheating implies I would know the outcome of an event. I went 1-1, so obviously, I am a bad "cheater."

CE

 

[Jazz]

I don't bet bad lines myself, but this topic has got me curious: Bob, were you the manager who threatened to blacklist chalk_eater to other books?

 

[Jazz]

Thanks, chalk - it should be a very simple matter of determining exactly who it was that made that threat to you that night - I would assume you know when you made the call, and they could check to see who would have taken that call. I wonder if Canada has any privacy rules regarding the sharing of confidential information??

 

[chalkeater]

Jazz,

Looking back on it, should I have bet a bad line? No, but what's done is done. I can't go back and change things now.

My problem with Wagerstreet is the way I was treated tonight and the way their policy "changed" for the bettor of Wagerstreet.

Have a good one ...

CE

 

[chalkeater]

When I called in, I spoke with a gentlemen who I assume was just a customer service rep. I was then handed off to a manager, who was quick to jump my case. He kept cutting me off saying I am not going to do anything and the resolution has already been reached, how do you want your money? I remained calm, cool and collective while I was listening to the ethics of sports gambling, while getting a stern lesson on karma and all the while, being threatened with my name being turned over to all of the 60-70 sportsbooks he has connections with. Nice guy.

I would love to resolve this issue face to face, but I know that's not possible.

I think my resolution is very fair, but I have yet to get a response back.

We'll see.

CE

 

[wagerstreetcstservice]

Jazz;

I spoke to the customer, I don't remember threatening him in any way. He claimed he had several sportsbook accounts and betting into misposted line was a usual occurence for him and he saw no problem with it.

I told him that I could think of 60-70 sportsbooks that would disagree with him on this assesment and would be happy to prove this to him.

If you are worried about privacy and are a legitimate customer you have no worries.

I can count on one hand the number of times I have discussed customers with other sportsbooks and each time it involved some type of ecommerce fraud.

 

[wagerstreetcstservice]

Chalkeater; you have gotten your response but unfortunately you may have missed it the first few times so I will state it one more time.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[chalkeater]

bob s,

What you are telling Jazz is INCORRECT and you know this. You DID threaten me with my information being given out. Don't deny it now this late in the threat. It happened, be a man, admit it and apologize. Move on.

I do have several sportsbook accounts but I did NOT indicate that I bet into mis-posted lines and in no way, shape or form is it a usual occurence for me. You are putting words into my mouth.

I have been nothing but honest here. I have nothing to hide. I even accept the majority of the responsibility here. I would like a little honesty in return. Please don't try to come off as a "good guy" here when you were not a "good guy" with me on the phone. I know you didn't think I would take this issue to a public forum (you probably didn't even think I knew of the Rx, MajorWager, LetitRideSports, Sportsbookreview.com or any of the other offshore gaming sites for information), but I want the people to know how you treated me tonight on the phone. I may have gotten what I deserved, as you put it, but I don't need you telling me how I should treat a sportsbook.

CE

 

[Jazz]

Bob: I appreciate your candor and would like to reassure you I am certainly not on a 'Bob hunt' here. However, we all know that 'he said - she said' disagreements revolve around perception: since you did mention the 60-70 sportsbooks in a certain tone, was it unreasonable that chalk may have thought you were threatening him (if this were the case)?

Personally, I don't bet bad lines. I don't believe AT ALL in karma, btw. But, I know of sportsbooks that don't take kindly to intelligence in the bettor, and that includes middling a game if you bet an early line and the line goes considerably in your favor - as if that makes you a professional. Now, chalk may be lying about that, but is the following true?

"On Monday, February 10, 2004, I made a small play on the Utah Jazz + 7 vs. Portland Trailblazers (NBA Overnight line) for $400.00. On Tuesday, February 11, 2004, I made an even smaller play on Portland - 4 - 120. Was I trying to middle? Of course. Absolutely. Why not? The $400.00 play won, and the $120.00 play (juice) lost. Tuesday, sometime during the day, I received an e-mail saying my bonus had been removed, because professional players, steam players or wise guys are not offered bonuses. That's fine with me. But what they didn't tell me is my wagering limit had been reduced to $200.00 per game."

 

[chalkeater]

bob s,

That's fine. Your decision is your decision, but I will be sure to let others know in the gaming community about the policy changes at Wagerstreet.

It's ashame you will lose customers over $20.00 or $40.00, that is guaranteed to you as a profit.

Some suggestions ... run a tighter ship and work on your people skills. The software is great, the best in the industry, but with people like you making threats, the bad outweigh the good when dealing with Wagerstreet.

CE

 

[wagerstreetcstservice]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chalk_eater:
bob s,

I don't need you telling me how I should treat a sportsbook.

CE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sir you bet two reversed favorites, stated that you didn't receive the email till the Michigan game was 1-2 mins into the 2nd half.

At that time you would have to have wondered about the other wager as well. Yet you waited till the games were over and noticed that the cancellation actually hurt you instead of benefitting you before complaining.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chalk_eater:
bob s,

I know you didn't think I would take this issue to a public forum
CE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually welcome it.

I would love people to know that if they bet misposted lines and we catch it your wagers will be cancelled and your accounts will be closed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chalk_eater:
bob s,

You probably didn't even think I knew of the Rx, MajorWager, LetitRideSports, Sportsbookreview.com or any of the other offshore gaming sites for information

CE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you put "bettorsworld.com" as the site you heard about us on, so it would be awfully foolish of me to think that you didn't know that these sites existed.

This is my last post on this subject. Good luck to in all your future gaming endeavours.

May you be on the right side the next time you bet into a reversed line at the 5-6 sportsbooks you play at.

 

[chalkeater]

Jazz,

I have been 100% honest about everything I have typed here tonight.

"On Monday, February 10, 2004, I made a small play on the Utah Jazz + 7 vs. Portland Trailblazers (NBA Overnight line) for $400.00. On Tuesday, February 11, 2004, I made an even smaller play on Portland - 4 - 120. Was I trying to middle? Of course. Absolutely. Why not? The $400.00 play won, and the $120.00 play (juice) lost. Tuesday, sometime during the day, I received an e-mail saying my bonus had been removed, because professional players, steam players or wise guys are not offered bonuses. That's fine with me. But what they didn't tell me is my wagering limit had been reduced to $200.00 per game."

My limit was reduced without any notification. None. I found out when I went to make my wagers tonight.

Please don't let Bob S mislead you into thinking he is a righteous, courteous and respectful guy. He may be, but tonight with me, I beg to differ.

CE

 

[chalkeater]

bob s,

I bet 2 reverse favorites. Absolutely. No denying that. But I did NOT check my e-mail immediately after I made my plays, nor after the games had started. I had other things to do. Wagerstreet had an unfair advantage tonight, even though I had an unfair advantage with the 2 games that I bet. Did I cheat? No, absolutely not. Did Wagerstreet? I think so, as one bet was allowed to stand and the other was cancelled, even though both games had already started.

My only regret tonight was I wish I would have tape recorded our conversation. Then people could decide for themself as to whether or not they would want to subject theirself to the threats and allegations you made towards me tonight.

Run a tighter ship and you wouldn't have as many problems.

CE