This makes my point just how far left wing the RX

[outandup]

mods and some of the posters really are.

Even Kerry knows we can't cut and run from Iraq.

Did you catch the radical liberal that laid into kerry for saying he would not take our troops out of Iraq if elected.

You see folks even kerry knows we can't leave Iraq. Wow! alot of posters and most of the mods are just radical leftist. Left of kerry, that's radical.

 

[outandup]

"It would be unwise to leave Iraq" Kerry, 4-2004

"Cutting and running is not an option" Outandup, 4-2004

 

[bblight]

I do believe that many of the posters in the Rx are not from the United States, thus the left leaning and very European points of view.

As for the General and Lt Dan, well, they apparently took some shrapnel under the helmet and it's affected their thought processes.

Then again, if I was a Navy whore, I'd probably think that way too! LOLOLOLOL

 

[outandup]

BB,
I figure alot of the leftist are college students parroting their professors. By the why the guy that read the riot act to Kerry was a college professor. What do you know a guy that's never competed in the market place.

 

[outandup]

Wilm, Will you still vote for Kerry?

Gen, will you still vote for Kerry?

wildbill?

lander?

Kerry will not pull the US troops out of Iraq if elected? Uh Oh! Now what?

 

[WildBill]

When did I say pull out the troops? I am the one here saying we shouldn't hand over the damn country on June 30!!!

 

[xpanda]

Well, I'm leftist and think that the troops can't be pulled out at this point ... the shitstorm is entrenched now and the general population needs some protection. Six months ago the words may have been different, but much has changed since then.

Oh, and Kerry is no leftist. I can call myself Chinese all I want, but it doesn't make it so.

Unlike Bill, I support the handing over of sovereignty on June 30th. I don't think it will go smoothly, but I think the Iraqi people desperately need to feel like they have some level of control. If Bush was being honest in Tuesday's press conference, the elections should start a semi-process in January. However, after final elections on Dec 15, '05, the US should get out. And, I would argue that their plans for military bases in Iraq are going to cause some increased problems down the road.

 

[outandup]

wildB,
It's really pretty silly the handover and all. It's more for the public, without the US military there the country falls into civil war.

It's more of a handover per say.

 

[WildBill]

Exactly why I don't think it should be done. Iraqis need a sense of responsibility but the regime we have temporarily installed in there won't function well in July. I prefer not to see a firestorm of control issues break out just because it would interfere with our elections. And if anything I am sure the terrorists are dying to interfere with our elections are already plotting what they can do when Iraqis are in charge to try to discredit Bush just like they did in Spain.

I just don't think you should hand things over until a legitimately elected government is in place. Give the Iraqis full control of pieces of the puzzle on a day to day basis, but until you have people in there that can say "hey you wanted me here and you said so by voting" it will be hard not to have a hundred different groups trying to act like they are the choice of the people.

 

[wilheim]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wilm, Will you still vote for Kerry? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course I will. I know we can't just pull out now, my problem with Bush was invading in the first place.

fwiw - I am only sightly left of center politically, its Bush that angers me enough so that I post some pro-democratic articles here in this forum. A feeble effort to help change anything I know.


wil.

 

[TheGeneral+]

Why did 48% of undergrads taken from a Harvard University poll say that they would vote for Kerry?

Only 38% said they would vote for Junior.

 

[outandup]

What you guys don't understand is NK, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Saudia Arabia, Afganistan and Pakistan were the terrorist states that would eventually hit us with a NUKE via a group like al queda. I would rather address this now then after the fact.

So far Bush has done a nice job with Afganistan, Pakistan, Libya and Iraq. Secretly behind the scenes the countries are/were working to hit us via a terrorist group.

Iraq was the head of the snake. When Bush is re-elected look for these other countries to start cooperating. If Kerrys elected look for Iran, Syria and NK to start making all sorts of demands.

 

[outandup]

Gen,
Are you kidding. I would have thought it would be 98%. US college campuses are filled with radical leftist professor, where do you think the students get there info from. After they graduate and get a real job, start paying real taxes and raise a real family and then they realize socialism is bullshit.

[This message was edited by outandup on April 15, 2004 at 04:37 PM.]

 

[TheGeneral+]

I just hope they stay sober enough to get out and vote on election day.

 

[AfraidOfBush]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by outandup:
Gen,
Are you kidding. I would have thought it would be 98%. US college campuses are filled with radical leftist professor, where do you think the students get there info from. After they graduate and get a real job, start paying real taxes and raise a real family and then they realize socialism is bullshit.

[This message was edited by outandup on April 15, 2004 at 04:37 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You make some valid points, however, can you honestly say that Bush has done a good job?

 

[wilheim]

Are you serious? We now know that the Bush administration's justifications for the Iraq war, i.e., weapons of mass destruction, an Iraqi connection to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, were pure fantasy. The United States was duped into the Iraq war just as it was duped into the Vietnam War.

wil.

 

[jaypaw]

pure fantasy?

give me a break


Its that kind of embellishment that the libs thrive off of. It is tough talk that sucks in the weak minded IMHO

at the time a majority of people agreed that there were WMDs in Iraq - including clinton.

and the people that didnt suspect the worst at least wanted to know - and you cant tell me that that isnt the truth.

 

[UncleMoneybags]

No, Wilheim, you were duped. If he would have said "I'm taking the troops into Iraq and that's that." that would have been OK to me. I've been watching the Saddam situation for years. He was a menace and on top on that he messed with the wrong bull. He ended up paying the price for it. You may want open and shut evidence of a second shooter but it ain't going to happen.

 

[WildBill]

So why didn't he do that? Why make stuff up? I said that before the war in a long post. If you want to take Saddam out stop the charade of asking others and making stuff up to do it. The thing just continues to be bungled. Instead of moving forward and getting all parties realistic about what needs to be done, including non-coalition partners, there is still posturing and work to make this the key election issue. That is what I hate. I reallly do wish if Bush and his people were so convinced this was a necessary move they had just done exactly what you suggested. The way it was all done and still is done is doing nothing but earning the ire of the whole world. That is the worst thing that can happen and Republicans in many cases are acting like they relish the us against the world perspective and that isn't good.

 

[jaypaw]

again he didnt make stuff up and people should take personal offense to such a treasonous statement - you state it like that to get attention as many on the left do, and the only people that really believe that are the people that dont think enough to formulate their own opinion based on the facts.

if he did make stuff up HE would be impeached and I would be leading the charge

the intelligence was interpreted to have provided signifinant question as to whether or not there were WMDs among other things.