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Sorry, not buying a word of this anti-Big Pharma BS. Sure, Big Pharma has benefitted from its research labs and its chemists. And so has mankind and our life expectancy. Big Pharma's advances in curing diseases and extending life far outweigh whatever fantastical theories have been spouted in this thread. And it isn't even close.

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Are your kids vaccinated?

probably, but we were a 50's TV family so I can't say for sure.

I worked, Huskygal was a stay at home mom and handled all those things when the kids were young. Everybody was happy. I'm pretty sure they had all the major vaccines.

I know I never had a flu shot, I'm far from a conformist, and if my wife had a strong opinion on the kids I listened and let her make the decision.

I also know my kids are now independent thinkers, I'm proud when listening to them talk about life decisions.

I have first hand experience with the idiocy politicians sell, the lies, the misrepresentations. From taxes, to the ACA, to banking regulations to calling Trump's executive order a "Muslim Ban". They're not some all knowing and good data source, they're the scum of the earth and pathological liars.

Hence we need less government and more choices

Anyone who advocates government solutions opposes freedoms and choice
 

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People who don't vaccinate their children are able to do so because everyone else has vaccinated their's.

cute, and people who live off of others do so because others work

I love that game
 
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cute, and people who live off of others do so because others work

I love that game

What game are we playing? People can bitch and complain about vaccines all they want but without vaccines their would be very few of us left if any.
 

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What game are we playing? People can bitch and complain about vaccines all they want but without vaccines their would be very few of us left if any.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT.

Measeals? Mumps? whooping cough? The dreaded Polio? In 1952, during the worst recorded epidemic, 3,145 people, including 1,873 children, in the United States died from polio. That same year over 200,000 people (including 4,000 children) died of cancer and 20,000 (including 1,500 children) died of tuberculosis.

You want to have opinions fine but you want to spread around total fucking non-sense im going to have issue.

Do the body count on all these vaccines. Youre either uninformed or a KUNT. Who sent you in here MERCK? azzkick(&^:nohead:
 
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Somehow I don't think all these studies show it as debunked:

Vaccines DO Cause Autism-Undeniable Scientific Proof

April 29, 2015Anti-Vaccine Scientific Support Arsenal
There is absolutely undeniable scientific proof that vaccines cause autism. There is no question! Case closed! Game over!
The people and the mainstream media who claim that the vaccine autism link has been thoroughly debunked are all bought and paid for by the vaccine industry. They are lying and being paid to do it! And anyone who speaks against them gets royally defamed and defaced by the vaccine industry controlled media.
Andrew Wakefield’s colleague who co-authored the MMR study that linked the MMR vaccine to autism, has been exonerated and his studies have been confirmed.
“Justice Mitting, reviewing Dr. Walker-Smith’s appeal in the High Court of Justice, Queen’s Bench Division, Administrative Court, found that the GMC’s conclusions were “based on inadequate and superficial reasoning” and that “the finding of serious professional misconduct and the sanction of erasure are both quashed.” See full text of the decision.
Dr. Walker-Smith’s professional insurance coverage paid for his appeal; Dr. Wakefield’s insurance carrier would not.
Dr. Wakefield has recently filed a defamation lawsuit in Texas against the British Medical Journal, Dr. Fiona Godlee, Editor-in-Chief, and journalist Brian Deer, who instigated the GMC prosecution. His lawsuit alleges that the defendants knowingly or recklessly engaged in fraudulent misrepresentations about 1998 Lancet study. While far from decisive, the Mitting ruling bodes well for Dr. Wakefield’s defamation action.” Read more here
A CDC whistleblower recently admitted that he was forced to withhold vital information from the CDC’s findings on autism.
CDC Whistleblower admits that the MMR causes autism

Furthermore, there are literally hundreds of independent studies that prove vaccines cause autism. Here are some links to studies that are undeniable. Pro-vaxxer’s eyes seem to gloss over as they see all this proof and they start criticizing the source and everything to keep from seeing the truth! WAKE UP! Vaccines DO cause autism!
1. Empirical Data Confirm Autism Symptoms Related to Aluminum and Acetaminophen Exposure
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227/pdf
2. A Comprehensive Review of Mercury Provoked Autism
http://mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/0...ismIndianJMedResOct2008_v128_383-411_1004.pdf
3. MMR antibodies are significantly higher in autistic children as compared to normal children, supporting a role of MMR in autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16512356/
4. The history of vaccinations in the light of the autism epidemic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19043939/
5. A careful review of ASD cases discloses a number of events that adhere to an immunoexcitotoxic mechanism. This mechanism explains the link between excessive vaccination, use of aluminum and ethylmercury as vaccine adjuvants, food allergies, gut dysbiosis, and abnormal formation of the developing brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19043938/
6. The relative toxicity of compounds used as preservatives in vaccines and biologics
http://mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/100430_PubGeiersVaccinePreserStudy.pdf
7. A leaked document by GlaxoSmithKline , a corrupt vaccine company, admits that vaccines are responsible for Autism! The description of some of the adverse effects are encephalitis, developmental delays, an altered state of consciousness, and speech delays. Many other adverse reactions are recorded as well.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-jYsdHZuRhCVXZUbFFlUzdfNGM/edit?pli=1




8. Polish Study Confirms Vaccines Can Cause Large Number of Adverse Effects including Autism
http://www.collective-evolution.com...termines-vaccines-can-cause-irreparable-harm/
9. “Key Realities about Autism, Vaccines, Vaccine-injury Compensation,Thimerosal, and Autism-related Research.” By Paul G. Kinga, PhD, Gary S. Goldmanb, PhD, a Science Advisor, CoMeD, Inc. From Medical Veritas 5 (2008) 1610–1644
http://www.medicalveritas.com/vaccinemyth.pdf
10. Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States
http://www.whale.to/a/pdf/geier2.pdf
11. A case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17454560/

12. Acetaminophen (paracetamol) use, measles-mumps-rubella vaccination, and autistic disorder: the results of a parent survey.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18445737/
13. A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21623535/

14. Evidence for a dysregulated immune system in the etiology of psychiatric disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23645137

15. Detection of Measles Virus Genomic RNA in Cerebrospinal Fluid of Children with Regressive Autism
http://www.jpands.org/vol9no2/bradstreet.pdf
16. Maternal transfer of mercury to the developing embryo/fetus: is there a safe level?
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/....1080/02772248.2012.724574?journalCode=gtec20

17. Vaccines and Autism: CDC Now Admitting to Ommitting Vaccine Study Data
http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!Vaccines-Autism-CDC-Now-Admitting-to-Omitting-Vaccine-Study-Data/c4nx/96DBBE9B-4D0F-400B-9065-3D1CF65FCDCF
18. Sick Monkeys: Research Links Vaccination Load to Autism in Monkeys
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/sick-monkeys-st.html#more
19. Bio-Medical Treatment Approach to Autism Spectrum Disorder, Including Heavy Metal Detoxification. The main source of heavy metals in the body and brain is childhood vaccines.
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/autism.htm
20. CDC’s Vaccine Safety Research is Exposed as Flawed and Falsified in Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal
http://mobile.dudamobile.com/site/p...-Research-Exposed-Flawed-Falsified.shtml#2748
21. Summary Comparison of Characteristics of Mercury Poisoning and Autism
http://www.whale.to/a/table_a.htm

22. How vaccines are Made, How they Work, and How they cause Autism… Childrens Vaccines are for 0-6 yrs of age, made One-Size-Fits-All… made for the weight of the oldest child at 50 lbs! …the question is not IF vaccines cause autism,but HOW!
Three main Vaccine Recipes:
1) Dead Bacteria (use deadly tetanus & diphtheria Toxins to work), more
2) Dead Virus (use Mercury & Aluminum to work), more
3) Live Virus (use genetically engineered Super-Strains)
http://www.trackingvaccinations.com/

23. Rapid degeneration of brain neuron exposed to low levels of mercury
http://youtu.be/Ipi3OneIw0A
24. CDC Whistleblower admits that MMR vaccines cause autism. He was forced to hide the studies from the public.
http://youtu.be/q62DcaNs_0M
25. WAKE UP CALL! 100% proof that vaccines cause autism
http://youtu.be/ZGLFywm77B0
26. The Central Mechanism By Which Vaccines Induce Autism – Dr. Russell Blaylock Lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0ioiB0_oY

If vaccines cause Autism, why do studies find that Autism rates are the same in children that were vaccinated and children that were not vaccinated?
 
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Also, pediatricians don't make big money on vaccines.. In many cases they lose money vaccinating children.
 
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I'm a big proponent of liberty and personal freedom, but that doesn't mean you should be allowed to not vaccinate your child and then send that child to any school of your choice.
 

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Also, pediatricians don't make big money on vaccines.. In many cases they lose money vaccinating children.

Cite Please? Im interested in objectivity AKA Facts and hard data to form my conclusions instead of conjecture or subjectivity. I approach my betting in this regard too. Objectivity >>>> Subjectivity. If you want to have a rational discussion and or just state your opinions then fine no worry. But if you want to make blanket statements and make up shit that doesn't exist im going to call you out. Fake News is everywhere.

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I'm a big proponent of liberty and personal freedom, but that doesn't mean you should be allowed to not vaccinate your child and then send that child to any school of your choice.

Ok then, if you are obese then you shouldnt be able to enter certain areas that may be harmful to the business or organization. Like a gym or a fastfood place. Or an amusement park

If you are black male between the ages of 14-29 you shouldnt be able to buy guns. Too much risk involved.

If youre a high risk driver than you should be allowed on highways

See where this is going??? Dont say you advocate for freedom then totally contradict yourself in the same sentence.


NEXT???? IM HUNGRY TODAY
 

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Allow me to answer your response before you reply and save you the time....

Whats wrong with me or whats my problem?

Im tired of lies and or blanket statements backed up by nothing but FEELINGS allowed to go unscathed anymore.
Im tired of Western males becoming cannon fodder for an establishment and agenda that doesnt give a fuck about them.
Im tired of people willfully espousing propaganda because they are too tired or too lazy to cite it or look into it further because it agrees with their position regardless if its true
Im tired of confirmation bias becoming the default for most people
Im tired of a population who will willfully sell out their own interests and the country's interest because they dont want to rock the boat or seem aggressive.
Im tired of engaging in conversation with people constantly who in the end when proven wrong refusing to acknowledge their wrongs and making changes to their psyche
Im tired of people who would rather watch TV or watch cats on an iphone than stay informed
Those days are over.
 
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Cite Please? Im interested in objectivity AKA Facts and hard data to form my conclusions instead of conjecture or subjectivity. I approach my betting in this regard too. Objectivity >>>> Subjectivity. If you want to have a rational discussion and or just state your opinions then fine no worry. But if you want to make blanket statements and make up shit that doesn't exist im going to call you out. Fake News is everywhere.

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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/124/Supplement_5/S492
 
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Ok then, if you are obese then you shouldnt be able to enter certain areas that may be harmful to the business or organization. Like a gym or a fastfood place. Or an amusement park

If you are black male between the ages of 14-29 you shouldnt be able to buy guns. Too much risk involved.

If youre a high risk driver than you should be allowed on highways

See where this is going??? Dont say you advocate for freedom then totally contradict yourself in the same sentence.


NEXT???? IM HUNGRY TODAY

The bold makes absolutely no sense at all.

The high risk driver comparison is also stupid. I mean, if you have too many points on your driver's license, you lose your license.

There is no choice in whether or not you are a black male. There is choice in whether or not your vaccinated.

Bring something better next time.
 

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The bold makes absolutely no sense at all.

The high risk driver comparison is also stupid. I mean, if you have too many points on your driver's license, you lose your license.

There is no choice in whether or not you are a black male. There is choice in whether or not your vaccinated.

Bring something better next time.

Gay people or being in a gay relationship creates a higher chance of contracting AIDS than straight. Being in a gay relationship is a choice. I dont want those people in my work or my gym...
 
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Gay people or being in a gay relationship creates a higher chance of contracting AIDS than straight. Being in a gay relationship is a choice. I dont want those people in my work or my gym...

Unless you plan on starting a sexual relationship with an HIV positive gay man at your work or gym, you are at no risk of contracting HIV/AIDS.

How many different shitty analogies are you going to try before you give up?
 

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