The ONLY reason Brett Favre should retire, and there is only one reason.

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Up until last night, I thought Favre would be back. They'll have Walker back and Walker-Driver will open up defenses. Gado, even with a torn MCL, looked like he could be the real deal, with Davenport as No. 1 backup. Green is gone. Now the Packers finally will be out of the weight of the salary cap next year and will have high draft choices.
Because of that, I thought Favre would be back and could be an asset with the addition of a solid offensive guard and a few defensive draft choices--A.J. Hawk would look great in a Packer uniform.
BUT after last night, I think Favre has packed it in. When they showed him with his arm around Driver on the sideline, tapping him on top of the helmet, it looked like he was saying, "Well, guy, I'm out of here. good luck." Still think in that division, a couple of free agents and high draft picks and the addition of Walker and Davenport and Gado for a whole year could put the Packers back in contention next year.
 

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BoZZi said:
koidog u dont make sense.......

favre is still a player that would win almost anywhere....the reason he is throwing those INT's is because the receivers aren't getting open enough so he has to make a perfect pass every single time between 3 and 4 defenders just for the receiver to have a chance to catch it.

also like 1/3 of his INT's have been tipped balls and unfortunate bounces.

Meaning the other 2/3rds were his fault.
 

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Greeen Bay will not come close to winning over the next two years...and this is the only reason...yeah he has struggled at times this year, but make no mistake if he was on a team like Denver he would still be going to the Pro Bowl.

He's in a no win situation.

Bullshit.

Farve is washed up. He won one super bowl big deal.. And it wasnt really him who won it, it was the team around him. Reggie white, etc..

He continues to play like shit because he has no incentive to do otherwise. Look how many interceptions he has thrown this year, yet GB would have him back in a heartbeat.

He lacks the proper judgement to be a decent QB in the NFL.
 

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Guys I was 7 years old when I saw the once Great Say Hey Kid falling down in the outfield in the 1973 World Series.

Mays was still a Superstar at that stage Compared to Favre.

He sucks and If Green Bay has Any balls and cares at all about their future the Kid would get to play the Next two weeks.

Favre has turned into a disgrace on the Football field.
 

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doc mercer said:
Ditka said on ESPN Favre can still flat out play so Koidog strikes out whenever he comes into the Political threads and his consistency is being taken into other areas of his "expertise"

So Mike Ditka's always right now? You know he's a Republican ardent Bush supporter eh Doc?
 

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Gosh am I going to have fun with this thread after the Bears kick the Packers asses this weekend.

Favre was great, now he is Willie Mays as a Met, Namath as a Ram, Sosa as a Oriole. The defense has been better than expected, and they came up with a RB to replace Green. Now that Gado is out, it is going to be truly ugly for the Pack this weekend, and the next 2-3 years.

Pack in the Brady Quinn Sweepstakes in 2006. :howdy:
 
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Favre is nothing more than an average QB right now; he seems to want to just chuck it deep and pray an awful lot too. Sherman should start Rodgers next week and use the next two games to find out if Rodgers is the better QB. The longer the streak goes the tougher it will be to halt it.
 

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That is a nice excuse...but he has a defense that has played well enough to win. There are a lot of QBs without weapons that aren't losing ball games for their team.

They definitely have the defense to win. He can't play that way...he forces balls and puts his defense in terrible positions and even gives away defensive touchdowns.

They lack weapons on offense for sure...but there are plenty of other teams in the same boat that are winning.

The defensive stats look good only because other teams decided not to blow them out.
 

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My idea weeks ago, send him home:

Here is my prediction. Favre to New Orleans, this city and franchise needs something to rally for. Right now tied for the 3 spot they can draft lienhart or Young and have them watch Favre for a year. Favre will be a part of the community down there no matter, you might as well get him some ties to that organization.
Time for a hero to march in

Favre should return to Big Easy, give Saints new life

Posted: Wednesday January 4, 2006 5:18PM; Updated: Wednesday January 4, 2006 5:35PM


The year 2005 was especially unkind to the New Orleans Saints. Whatever lofty goals the team carried into the season -- whether that was .500 ball or, loftier still, a berth in the playoffs -- were summarily wiped out by Hurricane Katrina. And while the floodwaters have since receded and civil unrest with it, the Saints, like their city, remain a franchise in decay, their future awash in uncertainty. The team's coach for the past six years, Jim Haslett, was shown the door on Monday. Its corroding Superdome lords over a pockmarked cityscape like a zit on prom night. Most of the team's fan base has relocated to higher ground.
And the Saints, by turn, could be doomed to a similar fate. While owner TomBenson will excitedly welcome his team back to its practice facility in Metairie, La., in two weeks and expects the Saints to resume play inside the Superdome by mid-September, the NFL's outlook on the team's future by comparison is far less enthusiastic. So grim in fact that commissioner Paul Tagliabue has even wondered aloud whether New Orleans will be able to support the Saints beyond 2006. "We think it can," he said in a five-hour meeting with Saints players and coaches last week, "but it's not a slam dunk" -- in which case San Antonio (which hosted five Saints "home" games at the Alamodome last season), Chicago (wanting of an 80,000-seat domed stadium and second NFL team before the Olympics in 2016) and the ever-thorny Los Angeles market become evermore viable options.
Naturally, all this impermanence has tested the patience of veterans such as the 28-year-old Aaron Brooks (who'd begin entertaining thoughts of retirement late last season) as well as the team's overall free agent pitch. With no home, no (bright) lights, few motorcars and not a single lux-ur-ee, the Saints have been reduced to the NFL equivalent of Gilligan's Island, only uninhabitable (compared to more practical NFL destinations like San Francisco and Houston). It would take a miracle to keep this franchise in New Orleans -- let alone competitive -- beyond the next 18 months.
Enter Brett Favre, equal parts iron man and Superman and no stranger to the miraculous. There was the 402-yard passing clinic against the Bears in '95, the he-did-whaat?! hurl to Antonio Freeman against the Vikings in 2000, the four-touchdown barrage against the Raiders in '03. The three MVPs, the Super Bowl ring -- certainly there's no questioning Favre's place among the all-time greats. Where he has waned, his critics allege, is in his overall effectiveness. A two-interception night against the Ravens in which he'd begrudgingly yield the Monday Night stage to rookie Aaron Rogers in Week 15 served as the exclamation point on a 4-12 season -- Favre's first losing campaign in nearly 1 1/2 decades.
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While Packer diehards are inclined to dismiss Favre's 2005 nightmare as an aberration, those of us outside Titletown know better. Most of us are wondering how much longer Brett Favre will remain Brett Favre before he turns into VinnyTestaverde. With Mike Sherman fired and MikeHolmgren's line of succession exhausted in Green Bay, Favre, wisely, is leaning toward the door.
But knowing his knack for the comeback, his flair for the dramatic, who could expect Favre to give into retirement just yet? What better place than New Orleans to stage a second act?
A return to the Bayou would bring the football odyssey full-circle for Favre, who grew up an hour northeast of New Orleans in Kiln, Miss. He wad in awe of Saints quarterback Archie Manning before going on to lay the groundwork on his own legend at Southern Miss. Favre in black and gold would make for a natural attraction for the displaced Saints fans, the promise of "a farewell tour" returning revelers to the beleaguered area in droves and infusing the city with a buzz it hasn't felt since the team last made the playoffs in 2000. Favre's star power would likely not only prove effective in drawing large crowds back into the city but it would lure prospective free agents as well.
Of course traditionalist will cite Johnny Unitas and Joe Namath as the cautionary tales for what happens when an aging athlete switches uniforms, conveniently forgetting what a financial boon Michael Jordan was to the Washington Wizards in his final two years on the court. Or how instrumental the defection of another Packers great, Baton Rouge native Jim Taylor, was in forging the Saints early identity when they first expanded into the league in 1967. But unlike Unitas (who bolted from Baltimore to San Diego a husk of a man), or Namath (who arrived to Los Angeles Rams from the New York Jets, but lost most of his knee cartilage in baggage claim), Favre is still young enough (36) and healthy enough to play quarterback. He can still sling it, evidenced by his 3,881 passing yards, 20 touchdowns -- and career-high 29 interceptions.
It wasn't so much that his skills were eroding in his latest year in Green Bay insomuch as the talent around him. Injuries would bedevil most of his supporting cast in '05: Javon Walker, a Pro Bowl wideout, tore his ACL in the season opener, backup runner Najeh Davenport broke his ankle in October. Feature back Ahman Green was gone not long thereafter with a ruptured thigh tendon, while wideout Robert Ferguson missed significant time with a torn LCL.
But even at full strength, the Packers' offensive ensemble yields the edge to the Packers. Joe Horn is the sure-handed receiver Walker someday hopes to be. Donte' Stallworth, like the Packers' Donald Driver, is the speedster who gives Favre occasion to show of his rifle arm. Deuce McAllister is the better ball carrier, the Saints' rusher fumbling once every 70 carries to Green's 52 (or about a game's difference). All of it adds up to a rededicated Favre giving the Saints the veteran leadership long lacking from their offensive huddle.
Of course, there are details still to be ironed out. New Orleans isn't any closer to settling on a coach, but with so many West Coast coaches looking for work (Steve Mariucci, Favre's old quarterbacks coach, comes to mind), the right match is a mere phone call away.
Still, no one would be foolish enough to suggest Favre could lead the Saints to the Super Bowl. But ending a five-year playoff drought would be a welcome consolation for a city starving for a winner and helpful to coaxing taxpayers into paying for a new or refurbished home -- something the Saints badly need.
Oh sure it might seem crazy, taking arguably most recognizable player in pro football over the last decade and slipping him inside a different jersey. But so would leaving this cherished franchise for dead or letting it escape to L.A. And while Packer fans might declare Favre selfish for jilting them without so much as a hug or a proper good-bye, a move to would be saving a lot more than Favre's career. It'd be saving a city.
 

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GlaD HE STAYED IN Green Bay:

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The ONLY reason Brett Favre should retire, and there is only one reason.
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You better take a look at his three MVP year stats.

By the way, FAVRE was great BEFORE his first MVP season, even with all the interceptions.

Having said that, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that he is NOT NEAR washed up.............just in a situation where he is going through the motions and also trying to do to much on his own.

Welcome to 2007 and the very talented version of the Green Bay Packers.
 

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I wish I had the nuts to go around quoting myself all the time.
 

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Put him on a good team, at this stage of his career, he is simply done.
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Favre's stats put him in MVP picture

Carlos Gonzalez, Star Tribune
Brett Favre has been all smiles in an MVP-caliber season.

The veteran quarterback has won the award three times, but that almost seems like ancient history.
By JUDD ZULGAD, Star Tribune
Last update: November 24, 2009 - 1:08 PM

Visanthe Shiancoe got a quizzical look on his face Monday when asked about the chorus of "MVP" chants from the Metrodome crowd that were directed at Brett Favre as the quarterback sat on the bench during the fourth quarter of the Vikings' 35-9 victory Sunday.
"Oh no, that was me," Shiancoe said, trying to take credit for the chant.
The tight end was kidding, we think.
Favre's teammates might have joined in, considering what his presence (and right arm) mean to the 9-1 Vikings. At 40, Favre hasn't just performed better than anyone could have expected, he has performed better than ever before in some aspects of his game.
On the same day Twins catcher and hometown hero Joe Mauer was named the American League's Most Valuable Player, there was legitimate talk of a former Packer and longtime-hated rival turned good guy in these parts being the NFL's MVP.
"His stats and his play pretty much speak for itself," Shiancoe said. "I don't want to get too ahead of myself, but he definitely should be in that pool, 100 percent in that pool."
Safe to say Favre is in the deep end of the pool in very exclusive company. His stiffest competition for the award comes from two other quarterbacks, Indianapolis' Peyton Manning and New Orleans' Drew Brees. Favre is no stranger to being MVP -- like Manning he has captured the honor three times -- but the last one came in 1997 when he shared it with Lions running back Barry Sanders.
Favre's total number of MVPs (the official award comes from The Associated Press) give him one more than the Vikings have had in their history -- defensive tackle Alan Page (1971) and quarterback Fran Tarkenton (1975).
Twelve years ago, when Favre last was named the league's best player, Vikings Pro Bowl running back Adrian Peterson was 12. Two of Favre's favorite receiving targets this season, Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin, were in grade school.
Yet, Favre is on track to better several of the numbers he posted during a run of three consecutive MVP seasons that began in 1995. If he continues on his current pace Favre would have more completions, fewer interceptions and a better completion percentage and passer rating than he did in any of the years he was recognized by voters.
Favre's passer rating (112.1) and completion percentage (.697) are atop the league and his interception percentage (1.0) also is the best in the NFL. He strengthened his MVP case on Sunday by completing a personal and franchise best 88 percent of his passes and throwing four touchdowns.
Vikings coach Brad Childress is a former quarterbacks coach and worked during his time in Philadelphia with Donovan McNabb. Asked if he had seen a quarterback perform at this high of level for such an extended period, Childress said: "I don't think we've ever had any 80 percent throwers. [Favre's] doing a great job of protecting the football, but still throwing the ball up the field. It's not like it's a dink-and-dunk operation. He is playing at a high level now. ... When you have success, you have more success. You believe you can."
Favre's teammates, and Childress, have come to realize that part of the reason Favre has such a great belief in himself is because of his constant preparation. Shiancoe has been leaving Winter Park at times when Favre is coming back to watch film, and has heard stories of the quarterback being at the facility at 9 or 10 o'clock at night.
On Saturday night, Vikings athletic trainer Eric Sugarman saw Favre in the film room at 5:30 p.m. That is a rarity because players usually embrace what little free time they have on Saturdays at home before having to report to the team hotel.
"He has very good physical tools with the length of time that he has played, he has great mental tools, but he enhances what he has by spending time at his trade and looking at a lot of tape," Childress said. "Like [Favre] said, he used to look at a lot of tape before, but he didn't know what the hell he was looking at. But now he does, so it helps."
At this rate, it might play a role in helping Favre become the state's second MVP for 2009.
 

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