Indy has beaten Cleveland, San Fransisco and Houston (twice), doesn't get much easier than that( you can only beat who is on your schedule). This isn't about who is better ,I know that Indy is. My point is Chicago defense is playing at a unprecendented level at I don't think people truly realize it.Clip Joint said:
They had 5 turnovers in that game. That's how Cincinatti got most of it's points. Cincy only had 244 yards of offense that game ( I'm not sure but I bet it was Cincy's lowest yardage of any game this year). Do you agree their tean is not quite getting the recognition it deserves because people walk away thinking they could have beat them because of how ugly it looked.Clip Joint said:
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ice man said:
Not really...I see what you are saying but I think we will just have to agree to disagree.
I think they have a great defense. But I think the stats make them look even better than they really are. That division is pathetic. Their schedule is filled with bad offensive teams.
Houston would be in 2nd place in that division. They have been stuck playing teams like Indy, Cinci, Sea, Jacksonville, etc...they have been within 1 score of the great teams in the league.
The Bears are barely getting by (and even losing) to very average (at best) teams with an offense that just plays the field position game.
If anything, I think they are overrated and that probably won't get exposed unless they play some good teams (which they don't reall do this year).
Pitt will play a very similar style of game as Chicago and that game will be close.
I would be interested in seeing them play just a handful of the AFC teams with an offense and then evaluate how good they are. Right now, nothing they have done is really that impressive other than winning without an offense.
I totally disagree with alot of what your saying but that's cool. Houston is reallly bad (statistically one of the worst offense's and defense's in NFL). You will not find many people that think the Bears are a great team and being 9-3 and not being considered a contender means you are underrated for your record. What their defense has done is more impressive than anything I have seen this year (besides Indy's overall team dominance). The worse part is I am huge Lions fan and it hurts me to sit here and defend a team I have always hated :lolBIG: . Got to get back to work would hate to lose my job defending a city I dislike.Clip Joint said:
There defense is unproven. Only played 3 good offenses all season. Well 4 if you include NE but they are not the same team:
They gave up 17 points to Bulger and the Rams in first Q. If he stays in the game Rams score in 40+. Martin is not very good.
37 points to Cinci.
Played Pitt offense really well.
I guess we can see how good there defense is after the SD and Seatle.
They gave up 17 points to Bulger and the Rams in first Q. If he stays in the game Rams score in 40+. Martin is not very good.
37 points to Cinci.
Played Pitt offense really well.
I guess we can see how good there defense is after the SD and Seatle.
gbm said:
What makes the Steelers so great? Very average team in my opinion.
Pittsburgh probably won't even make the playoffs in the AFC.
I think this will be another game where Chicago plays the team close...wins or loses by a few and everyone talks about how great their defense is. But in reality, it is just another below average offense they are facing this week. They are ranked #20 in the league on offense.
Indianapolis held this team to 7 points too just for the record.
i havent taken the time to read every reply , but the bears are the biggest group of pretenders around..
wow !! they have beaten the lions twice , balt, san fran , green bay and new orleans.
what an accomplishment to hold those powerhouses to a few points..
2 big tests coming up and then a game for the division title at minny..
kyle orton will not win a playoff game..
wow !! they have beaten the lions twice , balt, san fran , green bay and new orleans.
what an accomplishment to hold those powerhouses to a few points..
2 big tests coming up and then a game for the division title at minny..
kyle orton will not win a playoff game..
Clip,
I said I think EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE thinks that the Bears aren't very good and this makes them underrated for a 9-3 team. I still don't think they are going to Super Bowl but there Defense has played better than any unit (offense or defense) in the NFL.
My points are statistical facts: 10 points or less to 8 opponents and they lead the league in all sorts of Defensive catagories
Your points are all opioinon based. Look at the whole season (the biggest sample size) I think the public thinks your way and says the Bears aren't very good, which has been my point and I think the public aren't understanding how much better Chicago's defense is next to anyone else and they have proved it all year and that is a fact.
I said I think EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE thinks that the Bears aren't very good and this makes them underrated for a 9-3 team. I still don't think they are going to Super Bowl but there Defense has played better than any unit (offense or defense) in the NFL.
My points are statistical facts: 10 points or less to 8 opponents and they lead the league in all sorts of Defensive catagories
Your points are all opioinon based. Look at the whole season (the biggest sample size) I think the public thinks your way and says the Bears aren't very good, which has been my point and I think the public aren't understanding how much better Chicago's defense is next to anyone else and they have proved it all year and that is a fact.
You must be looking at different facts then...look at that schedule again. The teams they are building these great defensive stats against are teams that other average defenses have shut down all season as well.
That is not opinion...that is fact. They play in the worst division in football. Outside of their division, they have played Washington (lost), Cincinnati (lost), Cleveland (lost), Baltimore (won by 4), New Orleans (won by 3), SF, and Carolina (only impressive win on the year).
They are 4-3 against teams outside of their division. There are a lot of teams that would have the same record and pretty impressive defensive stats playing their schedule.
Look through that schedule again and tell me which offensive jugernaut impresses you the most.
Just because a lot of people don't think they are very good doesn't make them underrated. There are a lot of people talking about this team going to the Super Bowl so I am not sure where you are getting that opinion anyway. But beating up on bad teams makes it tough to consider this team underrated.
That is not opinion...that is fact. They play in the worst division in football. Outside of their division, they have played Washington (lost), Cincinnati (lost), Cleveland (lost), Baltimore (won by 4), New Orleans (won by 3), SF, and Carolina (only impressive win on the year).
They are 4-3 against teams outside of their division. There are a lot of teams that would have the same record and pretty impressive defensive stats playing their schedule.
Look through that schedule again and tell me which offensive jugernaut impresses you the most.
Just because a lot of people don't think they are very good doesn't make them underrated. There are a lot of people talking about this team going to the Super Bowl so I am not sure where you are getting that opinion anyway. But beating up on bad teams makes it tough to consider this team underrated.
This is a hard arguement because it can go other. Some feel though, if Orton or Grossman whoever they throw out there in the playoffs this year, all they need is that one big 50 yard pass, and a conversion for a touchdown drive, and that's the game right there. It's easier to get lucky on the offensive side of the ball then it is to get lucky on the defensive side so I choose the Bears for the better defense. I really dont think Manning's play calling will effect how Lovie Smith runs that Bears defense. You wont see a Indy vs Bengals type of high scoring game in the super bowl, it will be low scoring because of Thomas Jones Cedric Benson A.Peterson and E.James.
Biggest debate on all the talk shows in Chicago today is should Orton keep his job? Most all the people say yes, nothing wrong, they are winning with him. I disagree
During this 8-game winning streak, they have never been down be more than 3 points. I think Pitt exposes them this week as this is a desperation game for them.
During this 8-game winning streak, they have never been down be more than 3 points. I think Pitt exposes them this week as this is a desperation game for them.
Clip,
Here's one for you: Indy's opponents record is 55-89
Chicago's Opponenets record is 62-82
You can tilt this stupid "stength of schedule" argument any way you want but the facts are right there. But let me guess they are not good enough because you decided they are not.
You never hear anyone talk up the Bears (media or public). What you hear is how they will fail and there Qb stinks. Now I guess they play an easy schedule is the latest compliant.
I never have put them in NFL elite but I think you must admit they are not quite getting the credit they have deserved because they win ugly.
Here's one for you: Indy's opponents record is 55-89
Chicago's Opponenets record is 62-82
You can tilt this stupid "stength of schedule" argument any way you want but the facts are right there. But let me guess they are not good enough because you decided they are not.
You never hear anyone talk up the Bears (media or public). What you hear is how they will fail and there Qb stinks. Now I guess they play an easy schedule is the latest compliant.
I never have put them in NFL elite but I think you must admit they are not quite getting the credit they have deserved because they win ugly.
