Stanford MDs: COVID-19 death toll estimates may be orders of magnitude too high

[PatsFan1283]

Swine flu was similar to the flu though, it got the same response as the flu and ended with similar results to the flu........I've heard people say it wasn't covered at all in '09 but you really do have to go back in time, that was 1 of the busiest political years in modern history. It would've had to be a much bigger deal to garner attention given it just wasn't that lethal.

This isn't similar to the flu in how it spreads, overwhelms hospital systems, needs massive equipment upgrades to deal with, etc

It is just a weird Obama/Trump media coverage comparison people want to make, like the virus and China give a shit who the President is when they want to export global recession rather than be ostracized.

But yes, overall toxic globalist left wing quackery from the WHO, UN, China is to blame. Guess we'll see how much of the focus that gets.

 

[Enfuego]

Swine flu was similar to the flu though, it got the same response as the flu and ended with similar results to the flu........I've heard people say it wasn't covered at all in '09 but you really do have to go back in time, that was 1 of the busiest political years in modern history. It would've had to be a much bigger deal to garner attention given it just wasn't that lethal.

This isn't similar to the flu in how it spreads, overwhelms hospital systems, needs massive equipment upgrades to deal with, etc

It is just a weird Obama/Trump media coverage comparison people want to make, like the virus and China give a shit who the President is when they want to export global recession rather than be ostracized.

But yes, overall toxic globalist left wing quackery from the WHO, UN, China is to blame. Guess we'll see how much of the focus that gets.

Don't think anyone is saying anything about China/Virus when it comes to the two flu's Just comparing the coverage on the Presidential responses is all.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Swine flu was similar to the flu though, it got the same response as the flu and ended with similar results to the flu........I've heard people say it wasn't covered at all in '09 but you really do have to go back in time, that was 1 of the busiest political years in modern history. It would've had to be a much bigger deal to garner attention given it just wasn't that lethal.

This isn't similar to the flu in how it spreads, overwhelms hospital systems, needs massive equipment upgrades to deal with, etc

It is just a weird Obama/Trump media coverage comparison people want to make, like the virus and China give a shit who the President is when they want to export global recession rather than be ostracized.

But yes, overall toxic globalist left wing quackery from the WHO, UN, China is to blame. Guess we'll see how much of the focus that gets.

So putting aside the "Obama versus Trump" lamestream media dynamic, which in my opinion definitely plays a factor in all this hysteria...

If we're going to blow 2 trillion in "the war on the flu" face)(*^%, how about we leave the economy alone and simply allocate a fraction of that money to crank out tens of thousands of ventilators, surround old age homes with the national guard and call it a day? The only reason hospitals are overwhelmed worldwide is humans don't have the same level of built-up immunity toward this new corona strain as others, so recovery time for "high risk" patients (individuals with immunodeficiencies) is going to be longer. That's why they are dropping like flies in Italy - not enough ventilators for their bodies to ride out this new flu strain.

The carnage we're witnessing in Europe shouldn't surprise anyone. We're talking about a continent that lost 30,000 of its most vulnerable citizens to a friggin' heatwave! So much for socialism.

And yes, to hell with "We Are The World!" globalism!

 

[CHOPTALK]

Don't think anyone is saying anything about China/Virus when it comes to the two flu's Just comparing the coverage on the Presidential responses is all.

I don’t understand .

If both of those situations are very different from each other why are you making comparisons of the presidents responses ?

 

[PatsFan1283]

Who is President absolutely plays a role in the current media climate and what the reaction has been obviously (I don't really consume much of this, and I actually think it is basically hate porn for people. If some idiot on CNN is shrieking w/ horror then you get to turn your brain off as to what is happening and feel good about it), but that is a separate issue from swine flu lack of coverage vs this.

If we left economy alone and just focused on medical equipment/locking down seniors, we would lose a battle against time. We were just way behind the curve on this, but yeah I don't know why we didn't ramp up defense production act sooner (well I do, the chamber of commerce didn't want to), just a lot of complacency all around.

 

[REDEYE]

What would be an acceptable US death rate for shutting down the economy ? Or is there an answer ?

 

[SheriffJoe]

What would be an acceptable US death rate for shutting down the economy ? Or is there an answer ?

To put this flu in proper context...

33,000+ Coronavirus deaths to date WORLDWIDE is still not even HALF of a bad flu season in the US alone. We've got quite a ways before we hit the mundane non-headline-grabbing flu benchmark, yet the fake news media hysteria will be deafening if the number of body bags come anywhere close to that number.

So what about all the deaths resulting from this government-imposed economic hardship? Or do only virus casualties count?

Dr Fauci is now forecasting 100-200k deaths. This is the same lifelong bureaucrat who once claimed you could get AIDS by french kissing. face)(*^%

Shutting down the economy in hopes of "flattening the curve" is the government version of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Are there any fiscal conservatives left anywhere? Once this is over, I think a lot of people are going to have that same queasy feeling a husband gets when he looks at his wife's credit card bill - "You bought what and spent how much????"

Now back to your regularly scheduled fear porn! :neenee:

 

[festeringZit]

https://www.worldometers.info/

 

[CHOPTALK]

What would be an acceptable US death rate for shutting down the economy ? Or is there an answer ?

The problem is it might not be an either or thing.

People act like we have a door #1 and a door #2

You pick door #1 you get to keep grandma . You pick door #2 you get to keep your job .

Its not nearly as black and white as that .

If people don’t treat this thing seriously it will both kill people and the economy .

If trump told everyone to go to work tomorrow that does not automatically fix the economy .

 

[REDEYE]

To put this flu in proper context...

33,000+ Coronavirus deaths to date WORLDWIDE is still not even HALF of a bad flu season in the US alone. We've got quite a ways before we hit the mundane non-headline-grabbing flu benchmark, yet the fake news media hysteria will be deafening if the number of body bags come anywhere close to that number.

So what about all the deaths resulting from this government-imposed economic hardship? Or do only virus casualties count?

Dr Fauci is now forecasting 100-200k deaths. This is the same lifelong bureaucrat who once claimed you could get AIDS by french kissing. face)(*^%

Shutting down the economy in hopes of "flattening the curve" is the government version of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Are there any fiscal conservatives left anywhere? Once this is over, I think a lot of people are going to have that same queasy feeling a husband gets when he looks at his wife's credit card bill - "You bought what and spent how much????"

Now back to your regularly scheduled fear porn! :neenee:

Very well stated .... Fauci can make predictions and have the media etc jump all over themselves. Trump can provide some hope with a possible recovery target date and he gets slammed for it . At the least , Trump has to be thinking ahead I would think ... What if these new drug trials are proven to be affective ? Trump needs to be thinking ahead.. Have to be prepared to move forward.. He'd get slammed if wasn't ready to go forward.

 

[SheriffJoe]

The problem is it might not be an either or thing.

People act like we have a door #1 and a door #2

You pick door #1 you get to keep grandma . You pick door #2 you get to keep your job.

Its not nearly as black and white as that .

If people don’t treat this thing seriously it will both kill people and the economy .

If trump told everyone to go to work tomorrow that does not automatically fix the economy .

As long as ventilator supply can keep up to Coronavirus demand, life should resume as normal, and we'll get to keep both the economy AND grandma.

The "new normal" is beyond nuts...how many ventilators does 2.2 trillion buy?

hno:

 

[REDEYE]

As long as ventilator supply can keep up to Coronavirus demand, life should resume as normal, and we'll get to keep both the economy AND grandma.

The "new normal" is beyond nuts...how many ventilators does 2.2 trillion buy?

hno:

Normal seems to be liberal hysteria at the moment.

 

[bodyforlife]

https://www.worldometers.info/

Impressive

 

[SheriffJoe]

"Looking at what we’re seeing now, I would say between 100,000-200,000 [deaths],” Fauci said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union....We’re going to have millions of cases,”

Then in the next breath...

“I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong,”

face)(*^%

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

"Looking at what we’re seeing now, I would say between 100,000-200,000 [deaths],” Fauci said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union....We’re going to have millions of cases,”

Then in the next breath...

“I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong,”

face)(*^%

Lmao well if there are 100-200k deaths. I think you can assume we will have millions of cases Lmaooo

Come on man


Is this what you guys do all weekend? Be wrong all day?


At least once sports come back nothing will change

 

[PatsFan1283]

As long as ventilator supply can keep up to Coronavirus demand, life should resume as normal, and we'll get to keep both the economy AND grandma.

The "new normal" is beyond nuts...how many ventilators does 2.2 trillion buy?

hno:

We're very far behind on ventilator production (people can come to their own conclusions as to why that is) and it takes a certain level of medical expertise to operate one of those.

Screw it though, maybe 1 governor has the balls to do what you say and when you're wrong, atleast we can clean up the entitlement balance sheet for a few decades. Hopefully a state tries it, doubt any have the balls to though. Texas needs to step it up, their LT govt was going full blown chicken hawk already, they should do it.

We can get the economy up and running and curtail deaths? That's a politician selling a dream if there ever was one.

 

[bodyforlife]

"Looking at what we’re seeing now, I would say between 100,000-200,000 [deaths],” Fauci said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union....We’re going to have millions of cases,”

Then in the next breath...

“I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong,”

face)(*^%

I thought the original projection was 1.2 to 1.7 million deaths? Now we're down to 200k?

 

[SheriffJoe]

We're very far behind on ventilator production (people can come to their own conclusions as to why that is) and it takes a certain level of medical expertise to operate one of those.

Screw it though, maybe 1 governor has the balls to do what you say and when you're wrong, atleast we can clean up the entitlement balance sheet for a few decades. Hopefully a state tries it, doubt any have the balls to though. Texas needs to step it up, their LT govt was going full blown chicken hawk already, they should do it.

We can get the economy up and running and curtail deaths? That's a politician selling a dream if there ever was one.

We have a treasure trove of data on this virus which tells us exactly which sectors of the population are immune and which ones are at risk. The government just blew 2.2 trillion dollars (half band-aid, half pork "solutions") while forcing healthy immune productive citizens to remain idle, ergo driving the economy into the ditch. For how long? Weeks? Months? None of the "experts" can tell us.

Do you honestly believe this is the most efficient, effective way of dealing with this problem?

Like other members in the large family of corona viruses, this latest strain isn't going away. Are we going to repeat this stupidity in the fall when flu season starts up again?

 

[CHOPTALK]

We have a treasure trove of data on this virus which tells us exactly which sectors of the population are immune and which ones are at risk. The government just blew 2.2 trillion dollars (half band-aid, half pork "solutions") while forcing healthy immune productive citizens to remain idle, ergo driving the economy into the ditch. For how long? Weeks? Months? None of the "experts" can tell us.

Do you honestly believe this is the most efficient, effective way of dealing with this problem?

Like other members in the large family of corona viruses, this latest strain isn't going away. Are we going to repeat this stupidity in the fall when flu season starts up again?

Where is this treasure trove of data you speak of that tells us who the immune people are that can safely go back to work

 

[SheriffJoe]

I thought the original projection was 1.2 to 1.7 million deaths? Now we're down to 200k?

Welcome to the life of a career bureaucrat, where being wrong gets you a promotion.

Run a useless model projecting a "worst case scenario" and release those numbers scaring the shit out of the public. Then when these spectacularly wrong predictions don't come to pass, tell us how their brilliance saved our lives.

From 1.2m-1.7m...now 100-200k...french kissing spreads AIDS...

I can't believe Trump is listening to this clown. hno: