SOSA TO POSSIBLY RETIRE--- How will we remeber him??

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Don't forget about his RBI numbers. The guy was a run producing machine. For a while there, everybody in the stadium stood up and lived and died with each massive swing he took. Countless players took steroids - Im not gonna single out Sosa. The guy was a joy to watch and he had you on the edge of your seat every at bat he took. That's what I will remember.

From a Pirates fan (who signed Burnitz to a 6 mil deal this year with an option for next - a deal Sosa probably would have taken. At least Sosa would have put butts in the seats)
 

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The Rick Reilly interview with Sammy Sosa when Sammy went postal.



Excuse Me for Asking

Posted: Tuesday July 02, 2002 10:33 AM


It was a simple, straightforward question for Chicago Cubs bomber Sammy Sosa.

"You've said if baseball tests for steroids, you want to be first in line, right?" I asked him last Thursday at his Wrigley Field locker.

"Yes," Sosa replied.

"Well, why wait?" I said.

"What?"

I wrote down the name and phone number of LabCorp, which has a diagnostic test lab in Elmhurst, Ill., 30 minutes from Wrigley. I told him what LabCorp had told me: If any person wants to be tested for steroids, all he has to do is have his physician give a written order and bring in a blood or urine sample. The lab could have the results back within 10 days.

Sosa looked at the piece of paper as if it were a dead rat.

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"Why wait to see what the players' association will do?" I continued. "Why not step up right now and be tested? You show everybody you're clean. It'll lift a cloud off you and a cloud off the game. It'll show the fans that all these great numbers you're putting up are real."

Sosa's neck veins started to bulge.

I tried to tell him how important I thought this was. How attendance is headed for the cesspool. A former MVP told SI that 50% of the players are on steroids. The fans are starting to look at every home run record the way people look at Ted Koppel's hair. And there's the threat of a strike. Something good has to happen. What could be more positive than the game's leading home run hitter's proving himself cleaner than Drew Carey's fork?

Sosa looked at me as if I were covered in leeches.

"Why are you telling me to do this?" he said. "You don't tell me what to do."

I tried to explain that I wasn't telling him to do it, I was just wondering if he didn't think it would be a good move for him and the game.

"You're not my father!" he said, starting to yell. "Why do you tell me what to do? Are you trying to get me in trouble?"

I asked how he could get in trouble if he wasn't doing anything wrong.

"I don't need to go nowhere," he growled. "I'll wait for the players' association to decide what to do. If they make that decision [to test], I will be first in line."

But didn't he think a star stepping forward now, without being told to be tested....

"This interview is over!" He started looking around for security. "Over, motherf-----!!"

(Note to young sportswriters: Always make your steroid question your last question.)

The funny thing is, I doubt Sosa is on steroids. He has never missed more than six games in any of the last five seasons. Most nukeheads come apart like Tinkertoy houses.

But plenty of people wonder: Here's a guy who went nine years without ever hitting more than 40 home runs. In the last four seasons he's hit 66, 63, 50 and 64. Here's a guy who was once a skinny, 165-pound, jet-footed Texas Ranger. Now he's a bulky, 230-pound Mr. Olympus.

"This was because of my tooth," he had said earlier in the interview. "When I first came to Texas [in 1989], I had a bad wisdom tooth. The doctor discovered this, and he fixed it. After that, I start to eat much better."

What'd he eat, Fort Worth?

Sosa also explained that the extra muscle and added girth came from feverish weightlifting, not a feverish pharmacist.

"I have a gym in my house [in the Dominican Republic]," he said. "I work out every day, seven days a week. Sometimes at two or three in the morning."

He said the media's suspicions have hurt him. "They think everybody is guilty," he said. "They judge me, but they don't know me."

That's about when I offered up my brilliant public relations maneuver of having himself tested. Soon we were discussing my relationship with my mother.

Maybe Sosa feels he would undermine his union's bargaining power if he had himself tested. But when I asked him if that's why he didn't want to do it, he again mentioned, rather crisply, "You're not my father."

No, but if I were, I'd tell him to get tested. And I'd say it to Barry Bonds and anybody else who says he cares about the game. If they've got nothing to hide, why wait?

True, it would take some large cojones. Of course, if these players are on steroids, they lost those a long time ago.

Issue date: July 8, 2002
 

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Doubt he retires, esp. if he is willing to play cheap, somebody will pick him up...NYY?

He might even get a huge contract if it's based on production.
 

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It wouldnt be a bad time for him to retire. Baseball been 'berry berry good' to him.

Quit while you're ahead, Slamm'n Sammy.
 

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He's got enough money. I dont think he cares about the money. I just dont think his body can take it anymore.
I don't either. I got a lot of fond memorys of Sammy, I'd like to see him hang it up.

When you talk about Bonds, I bring up steriods. When you talk about Sammy I conviently throw that away. 'Coz Sammy was cool :)
 

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If McGwire is in you can't keep Sosa out.

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i gotta tell ya, take away the corked bats and steroids and you are not looking at a star player at all. no hall of famer vote for sure from here.
 

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Harry Carry spelling his name backwards, Harry probably drunk as a skunk in the sixth inning of a 12-2 game..........

"Sammy Sosa's name..............spelled backwards.............would be ................A-S-O-S........"

Just the way he said "a-sause" cracked me up.
 

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Sadly, I am a Cubs( not Cubbie) fan, I will always remember the HR battles with Mac and his All Star HR derby exhibitions. He was great for kids to cheer on as they did not fully understand what he really was about. I will always remember him as self centered, egotistical, selfish peanut head of a person. I will not remember him as a source of game winning and clutch hitting, nor as a gold glove fielder. As I sit here and drink my beers( not brewskis) I can't help but think he was exactly what MLB powerbrokers wanted. A full screen personality that put people in the seats while helping put money in owners and concessioners pockets and giving writers a means to meet deadlines. For all the bad press and hypocritical musings being thrown on him now by the same people who benefitted by his baseball exploits, Sammy served himself and MLB well. In this era of juiced up players, equipment, media and egos that prevails in ALL play for money sports, Sammy was just one of many. The bottom line is, he did it better than most that also are guilty of the same.
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Sadly, I am a Cubs( not Cubbie) fan, I will always remember the HR battles with Mac and his All Star HR derby exhibitions. He was great for kids to cheer on as they did not fully understand what he really was about. I will always remember him as self centered, egotistical, selfish peanut head of a person. I will not remember him as a source of game winning and clutch hitting, nor as a gold glove fielder. As I sit here and drink my beers( not brewskis) I can't help but think he was exactly what MLB powerbrokers wanted. A full screen personality that put people in the seats while helping put money in owners and concessioners pockets and giving writers a means to meet deadlines. For all the bad press and hypocritical musings being thrown on him now by the same people who benefitted by his baseball exploits, Sammy served himself and MLB well. In this era of juiced up players, equipment, media and egos that prevails in ALL play for money sports, Sammy was just one of many. The bottom line is, he did it better than most that also are guilty of the same.
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Well said, he was paid to put people in the seats not win games, his career IMO was nothing memorable.

I will not vote for Sosa when he becomes eligible for the HOF
 

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Well said, he was paid to put people in the seats not win games, his career IMO was nothing memorable.

I will not vote for Sosa when he becomes eligible for the HOF

you have a vote journey? nice. what is peter gammons like in person? he seems like a smug sob to me but, i never met him.
 

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I have never met Gammons. My favorite celebrity by far is Brooks Robinson, they don't make them any more genuine than Brooksie, second would be John Unitas who I got to talk with on a few occasions....Biggest jerk was Reggie Jackson.
 

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Thanks, and that will be a tough vote. I just keep going back to the fact he basically played inside the parameters that was out there. MLB turned a blind eye towards the seedy side as long as noone caught on. Is Barry Bonds HOF material? Definitely. Am I the only one that finds it odd that he sat out nearly a whole year to mend old wounds(cleanse system?) when the Balco issue blew up?
Was Sammy Juiced? I don't care whether it's true or not. It's a cold hard fact of sport that the issue is out there and it cannot be erased. What's the critieria for a player to be HOF material? Just as this era cannot be compared to the 60's as well as the 60's cannot be compared to the 30's, etc. Simply not the same game standards involved. Certain players in the past may have used a substance to enhance their play, but without common knowledge, testing and proof, who knows? Can't tell me these enhancing ingredients just mutated recently. One has to compare like era players to prove/disprove Hall worthiness.
Biggest thing against Sammy would be the stupid corked bat incident. That was flagrant and proof positive he did attempt to cheat. One has to assume it was not the first time.
Don't know, but I was wondering if any pitchers/hitters are in the Hall after being caught not playig up to standards set by MLB. Any spit ball pitchers in the Hall that were busted during a game after it was banned? Any other player have personal equipment removed from a game for being outside the parameters?
Guess I'll leave the vote up those to who qualify for that. Whether in or out, Sammy made me smile and cuss and did impact my interest when he played for the Cubs. Leave it up to the numbers.
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Baseball writes have very tough decisions to make when it comes to players like Mcgwire, Palmero, Sosa, Bonds etc. These players stats undoubtebly were the by product of genetic enhancement caused by the use of steriods. How do you honor statistics of players that cheated? Last time I checked, cheaters were punished, not rewarded. Players from the steriod era should be left out of the Hall. Sosa is one of them.
 

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i dont think its a tough decision. i say, ban them all. you have to send a message.
 

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Maybe if he (Sosa) didn't fall completely off the table as soon as it all blew up, I might feel a little different....Giambi from what i hear has really went into the weight room and his totally bulked back up, and one would think he would be clean now.

Bonds is another one I expect, even at his advanced baseball age to come back and still look very strong and still hit a home run every 8-9 AB's

Take a look at Mark McGwire now a days, he looks almost skinny!

You can almost pinpoint exactly when they really started abusing the drugs, McGwire's career was on a major decline right around the time he got to the NL, then he's batting over .300 and hitting 60+ homers, this all after his career should have and was peaking.

Raffy went power crazy shortly after arriving in Texas where Canseco became his teammate, it's all way too coincidental.

It will be real hard to factor it all in when they do become eligible...even guys like Rickey Henderson , Roger Clemens, players who have had unbelievably longevity, we will never really know.
 
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Let's see....we have drug dealers, drug users, wife beaters, and racists
in the hall of fame. Let's keep Sammy Sosa out because of steroids that
probably helped keep his career alive. How can you exclude him and let
others wit a sordid past in? Just a question.
 

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VIEJO DINOSAUR said:
Let's see....we have drug dealers, drug users, wife beaters, and racists
in the hall of fame. Let's keep Sammy Sosa out because of steroids that
probably helped keep his career alive. How can you exclude him and let
others wit a sordid past in? Just a question.

easy...beating your wife, being a racist or dealing drugs does not help your performance on the field. i would argue that steroid use is a worse offence than what pete rose did (gambling on the game but not against your team).

i think steroid use does more than keep your carreer alive. i think it turns fly-outs into homeruns. that is unforgivable.
 
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What about scuffing the baseball and throwing spitters; is that not on the
same level as steroid using...just throwing this at you for the sake of arguing.
I would definitely like to hear from Journey on this.
 

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