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Although many volumes have been written trying to explain and interpret the meaning of the number 666, there is only one reference to this obscure numerical symbol in the Bible It is found in chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation:

'This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. (Revelation 13:17)

The popular media tends to promote the idea that 666 has a particularly close Satanic association, but as we can see from Revelation 13:17 this is not strictly true. In fact (as we will see), the number 666 has a far more human than supernatural meaning associated with it.

The Book of Revelation is sometimes called the Apocalypse (which means revealing things to come). It was written by someone called John, near the end of the 1st Century CE [1]. Although it contains what many Christians believe to be a series of visions about the end of the world, it is actually a book very much grounded in the real world. Despite the many fantastic and dramatic events it describes, theBook of Revelation is first and foremost a letter to persecuted Christians to encourage them to remain true to the faith, despite their sufferings.
'Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer... you will suffer persecution... Be faithful, even to the point of death.' (2:10)
The Book of Revelation begins with a series of seven letters said to be written to, 'churches in the province of Asia' (Revelation 1:4). In the Bible, seven is a number associated with things being whole or complete (E.g. 'By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing' - Genesis 2:2). This is in contrast to the number 6, which is often used as a symbol of imperfection (or things being incomplete). As such, many scholars believe the Book of Revelation was written not just to seven particular churches, but to the whole Church.
Although many Christians interpret the events described in the Book of Revelation as being about things yet-to-come (or yet-to-occur), it is evident from the way John writes that he believed the things he 'saw' were close to, or actually happening. Now this is an important point for understanding the origin and meaning of 666; for if John's revelation was 'received' in light of specific things happening to a specific group of people in the past, then the origin and meaning of this number must also be predominantly found in the past too. In fact, if John's letter to the church begins in this world, then we have no reason to think he is not still in this world when it ends.
The belief that the Book of Revelation describes events which have already happened (or were in the process of happening) in the 1st Century CE, is known as a Preterist view. One of the reasons people advocate a Preterist view of the Book of Revelation, is because there are passages in it where it seems John was convinced that the events he spoke of were going to happen very soon (E.g. Revelation 1:1).
The image of the two beasts
The first thing we know about the number 666 is that it is the number of a beast, and we learn about this creature in chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation:
'I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name... One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed... Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast... He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast... He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.' (Revelation 13:1-17)
Although 666 is the number of a beast, there are clearly two beasts being spoken of here; one from the sea and one from the land. The beast from the sea is said to be a symbol of the Roman Empire, with its ten horns and seven heads representing the emperors and rulers of Rome:
  • Tiberius (14-37 CE)
  • Caligula (37-41 CE)
  • Claudius (41-54CE)
  • Nero (54-68 CE)
  • Galba (68-69 CE)
  • Otho (69-69 CE)
  • Vitellius (69-69 CE)
  • Vespasian (69-79 CE)
  • Titus (79-81 CE)
  • Domitian (81-96 CE)
(Dates are when they ruled Rome)

Now this list of ten men are not the only ones to have ruled Rome, but they were the ones under whom the idea of Emperor worship emerged and flourished in the 1st Century CE, and as such it is the beast from the land which represents this practice.
The original institution of Emperor worship was intended to honour the lives of dead leader and their divine appointment, but in some cases certain rulers (such as Domitian) considered themselves to be the living presence of Divinity on earth.
Although not all the Caesars were happy with the idea of people worshiping them, over time offering tribute to them became a test for demonstrating one's loyalty to the Empire. As such, it was expected (and largely required) that people would do this to avoid being perceived as a threat to the established social order.
Paying tribute to the Emperor typically involved nothing more than placing a pinch of incense on an altar, but at the the time the Book of Revelation was written many Christians were suffering, being persecuted, and even put to death, because they were refusing to do this.

'Those who had given the worship to Caesar which was demanded had on them the mark of the beast... [which shows that] those who worship the beast are his property... [or] are his devoted followers... [or] accept his authority... [or] are the property of the beast... [or] may be the certificate of worship, which a Christian could only obtain at the cost of denying his faith.' (Barclay W., The Daily Study Bible: The Revelation of John Vol. 2 [Brackets mine])

The resurrection of Nero (Nero redivivus)
The first beast spoken of in Revelation 13 represents the emperors and rulers of Roman, but we also learn from verse 12 that it has a wound which has been healed:
'He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.' (Revelation 13:12)

Many scholars believe Revelation 13:12 is actually a reference to the legend of Nero redivivus. Although Nero committed suicide in 68CE, many believed he would rise from the dead in the future, possibly because they thought his death was faked, and that he had simply gone into hiding for a period of time. If this was the case, then John's vision of the first beast, 'whose fatal wound had been healed' is a reference to the return of Nero.

Of course, this begs the question as to why Nero's resurrection was important to Christians who were being persecuted. Well, Nero was one of the few Emperors who actively promoted and encouraged Emperor worship (he claimed to be the sun-god, Apollo). He is also widely regarded as being a brutal and sadistic persecutor of Christians. Aside from their refusal to pay tribute to him, he also blamed them for the burning of Rome in AD 64 (when everyone knew it was him). As Tacitus notes, Nero did the most heinous things to Christians in an attempt to cover his tracks concerning this matter:
'To get rid of the report [of him starting the fire of Rome], Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace... Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to torture-stakes, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.' (The Annals of Tacitus, 15:44 [Bracket mine])
It has been suggested that Revelation 13:12 could also be a eference to Domitian, who some considered to be a cruel and ruthless persecutor of Christians on a par with Nero. However, modern historical studies tend towards the view that there was no widespread persecution of non-Roman religion under him, so it is unlikely that this verse is a reference to him.
All this means that if f first century Christians were to fear the return of any of the Caesars, the return of Nero would cause them the most concern.

The number of the beast: 666

In Revelation 13:1 we read that the first beast was given the power and authority of a dragon, who 'stood on the shore of the sea'. Elsewhere we read that this dragon is the devil, or Satan (Revelation 12:9). This appears to suggest that the number of the beast is to be associated with the devil, but as we have already seen, it is actually the number of man: 'This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. (Revelation 13:17)

Although the original meaning of the number 666 has been lost, most scholars (based on evidence found in the Book of Revelation) believe it to be a numerical code for a person's name. We have already seen that Revelation 13:12 appears to allude legend of Nero redivivus, and this would appear to be confirmed as his name can be represented by the number 666 in the following ways:
Nero's name in Greek (Kaiser Neron) represented by Hebrew letters (qsr nrwn), which also function as numbers
  • q = 60
  • s = 100
  • r = 200
  • n = 50
  • w = 6
qsr nrwn (60 + 100 + 200 + 50 + 200 + 6 + 50) = 666

Nero's name in Latin (Neron) represented by letters, which also function as numbers
  • N = 50
  • E = 6
  • R = 500
  • O = 60
  • N = 50
neron (50 + 6 + 500 + 60 + 50) = 666​

Long ago when people did not have figures to represent numbers (like we use 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.), they used letters instead. For example, in Latin the year 2009 is represented by the letters MMIX.

It should be noted that in some manuscripts, the number of the beast has been found to be recoded as 616. One reason given for this is that scribes copying the text may have dropped the final 'n' from Neron, thus reducing the total by 50. Some modern scholars believe that 616 was actually the original number of the beast, but that it was substituted in favour of the more memorable 666. Either way, the number still works as a numerical representation of the name Nero. Now some might ask why, if John was talking about Nero in Revelation 13:12, did he not refer to him in a more direct way? Well, as the Book of Revelation was written at a time when Christians were being persecuted for their faith, people naturally spoke to each other using coded language so that their enemies would not be privy to their conversation (in the same way people do during times of war).

'[The Book of Revelation] is written in code; it is clear that nowhere will the code be more closely guarded than in regard to this number which stands for the archenemy of the Church.' (Barclay W., The Daily Study Bible: The Revelation of John Vol. 2 [Brackets mine])

Other interpretations of the meaning of 666
Although the most widely accepted interpretation of the origin and meaning of 666 is that it is a reference to Nero, this has not stopped some people from promoting alternative views of the matter.
For example, Pastor Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda of the Ministerio International Creciendo en Gracia (International Ministry Growing in Grace), claims to be the 'last manifestation of God on Earth, Jesus Christ'. He also claims there is no sin or devil, and that his church is the true church. As a visible sign that his followers are members of the 'true church', Pastor Jose invites them to have the number 666 tattooed on their arm:



'The tattoo announces that the apocalyptic beast that John saw is in reality Jesus Christ in his second coming with the man’s stamp of 666 because in the same manner that he came as a man in his first manifestation (Jesus of Nazareth) he does it again for the second time to judge all things in accordance with the gospel of Paul (Romans 2:16) and to end the apostasy that has oppressed, impoverished, and saddened the church.' (666 The Seal of Prosperity, www.creciendoengracia.com)
Pastor Jose believes that having the number 666 tattooed on one's body is intended to, 'undo the myth and fear in regard to the true identity of the Beast and of the Antichrist'. Although traditionally the beast is regarded as a diabolic being, Pastor Jose believes this is not something supported by Scripture. In fact, rather than consider the beast to be an agent of Satan, he claims this being to be none other than Jesus Christ himself, returning to judge the world (particularly the Christian church) for their idolatrous ways and apostate beliefs. As such, according to Pastor Jose, being found to have the mark of the beast (666) when Christ returns will be a sign to God that one is actually a true believer in Christ. Of course, this is in contrast to the more popularly held belief that being found with the mark will be considered a sign that one is not a true believer.
Most Christians believe 666 is a diabolical sign, and one whose universal presence signifies that the end of the world is near. For example, some Christians believe that the widespread and global use of barcodes is an indication that we are living in the 'last days', as they all contain the number 666 in them.
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Barcode with so-called left, middle and right #6 lines highlighted in red (Source: www.av1611.org)
Now despite the hysteria amongst some Christians concerning the global use of barcodes, the fact is that they do not contain the number 666 in them. The red lines are actually 'guard rails', and their purpose is simply to help scanners read barcodes by indicating which direction the beam is crossing it. Although the guard rails (red lines) have a similar appearance to the number six (blue line), thus implying that the number 666 is found in barcodes, technically these lines do not have any numerical value associated with them. As the inventor of the U. P. C. (Universal Product Code) George J. Laurer notes on his website:
'There is nothing sinister about this nor does it have anything to do with the Bible's "mark of the beast"... It is simply a coincidence, like the fact that my first, middle, and last name all have 6 letters.' (QUESTIONS about the U.P.C. and the New Testamant, www.laurerupc.com)

Another interpretation of the number 666, is that it is a reference to the Pope, who is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. This is a particularly popular reading of the Revelation 13 passage amongst some groups of Christians, as the first beast is said to represent the Roman Empire. To show exactly how 666 is a reference to the Pope, the Remnant of God website argues that the number represents the phrase Vicarius Filli Dei, which is said to be a papal title:
Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God) represented by letters, which also function as numbers
  • V = 5
  • I = 1
  • C = 100
  • A = 0
  • R = 0
  • I = 1
  • V = 5
  • S = 0
  • F = 0
  • I = 1
  • L = 50
  • I = 1
  • I = 1
  • D = 500
  • E = 0
  • I = 1
Vicarius Filii Dei (112 + 53 + 501) = 666​

However, although some Christians claim that the title Vicarius Filii Dei is used by Catholics to address the Pope, and is even found on his miter, it is actually not an official papal title used by the Church and as such this interpretation of the number 666 is dubious.

Seventh Adventists (who began to promote this interpretation of 666 in 1866), officially abandoned the claim that 666 represents the title Vicarius Filii Dei in 2002, due to an overwhelming lack of evidence.

Finally, some have suggested that 666 represents various political figures, such as Adolf Hitler and former president of the United States Ronald Regan, It has even been jokingly suggested that as the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet (waw) is phonetically represented by the letter w, this means that (in theory) every website on the Internet starts with 666!

http://www.thatreligiousstudieswebs...dies/Angels_and_Demons/666_origin_meaning.php
 

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God is sovereign, but the Bible says clearly that Satan is the god of this world. Sin has stained creation and it has been in decay ever since. The world, the flesh, and the devil.....those are the enemies of the believer.

Pick up a King James 1611

"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18. The Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:13 ends with :"For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory for ever, Amen." This phrase is in brackets in the NASB and removed in the NIV, RSV and ESV. Jesus either said it or he didn't; they can't all be right.

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n Ephesians 1:20-22 it is said of Christ that God "raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come; and hath put all things under his feet."

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aniel 4:17,25,26 tell us three times that "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will." 2 Chronicles 20:6 affirms: "O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?"

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od is the sovereign ruler and controller of this world and of the entire universe. There is only one King, and Satan is not the king, the controller, or the ruler of this world- at least according to the true Holy Bible - the King James Bible of 1611 - which is pure in all its precepts and true in all its doctrines. However such is not the case with a multitude of bogus bible versions on the market today.

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atan is a liar from the beginning. During the temptation in the wilderness, Satan told Jesus that all the kingdoms of the world were his and that he gave them to whomsoever he would - he was lying. He is a liar and the father of it - John 8:44. Satan's statement directly contradicts Daniel 4:17 which says "the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will", and the other Scriptures I quoted.

But the NIV, NAS, ESV and NKJV have bought Satan's lie and are passing it off.

All Greek texts read the same in 1 John 5:19, so it is not a textual variation, but a simple matter of sound and consistent doctrine as opposed to a lie. The Greek texts read: "
oidamen oti ek tou qeou esmen kai o kosmoV oloV en tw ponhrw keitai".

In I John 5:19 the King James Bible along with the Geneva Bible, Tyndale, Young's, the Spanish Reina Valera of 1602, and 1909 (y todo el mundo está puesto en maldad), Lamsa's translation of the Peshitta, Webster's 1833 translation, the KJV 21, Green's literal translation and Green's Modern KJV, and the Third Millennium Bible all say: "And we know that we are of God, and THE WHOLE WORLD LIETH IN WICKEDNESS."

Wycliffe's Bible says: " We witen, that we ben of God, and al the world is set in yuel." Or the modernized version would be: "We know that we be of God and all the world is set in evil."

Many commentators who are usually sound in their doctrine become very confused in their thinking when they try to explain this passage, yet the meaning as it stands in the true Holy Bible is quite clear.We live in a fallen world; it lies in sin and wickedness, just as the text says. But God is still in control and ruling over all His creation. "He worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" Ephesians 1:11. Even though it may appear that wickedness is winning, the eye of faith sees his sovereignty and rejoices in this confidence.


 

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Any rituals, be they masonic, or occult ( simply means hidden not evil as some may deem it ) that use symbology always seems to scare christians

I think its reasonable to believe that a good number of pre christian gentiles, pagans, and particularly those at the top of power structures, kept their ancient rituals even into modern times

if this bothers you, then take a look in the mirror

all of your modern day comic books are based on old mythology as well... Are you that a devout "Christian" that you denounce the Greco-Roman legal system you live under too?

Get a clue this world we live in, particulary in the US, is an ever evolving, some times contradictory combo of judeo-christian values blended with Roman-Greco

Its not a bad place
 

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Another thing.....Easter is pagan and not Biblical. The Passover is the real Christian holiday.

Let the bashing begin. LOL

Obviously... Easter does have pagan origins, so what? does that make it evil?
 

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Of course Jesus is Lord over all. That isn't what I'm saying. But evil is all around us and takes on many different forms. If you think the world is generally good rather than spiritually dead and in darkness, then there is nothing for us to talk about. The truth will continue to be suppressed until the day of Christ.
 

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Im sorry you are so close minded, and also arrogant, to only hold a white protestant view of the world, a tin foil one of course, and twist scripture

but I know theres much to learn from pre christian gentile beliefs

Only a complete imbecile would believe only 2000 years ago, all people on this earth were wicked save a small tribe ( whom I respect a great deal however)

You live in a Pagan ( Greco-Roman)/Judeo Christian blend of a world right now... most call it modern day society

I suggest you convert to Judiasm, orthodox too, isolate yourself from all the evil pagan gentile ways :)

Youll become mad looking for masonic and occult imagery and symbols in media... its there so what
 
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Romanowski:
"the King James Bible of 1611 - which is pure in all its precepts and true in all its doctrines. However such is not the case with a multitude of bogus bible versions on the market today"

Um, while I agree with you that modern versions have a certain amount
of liberal corruption, the KJV 1611 (of which I own) isn't completely "pure"
either. It has influences from the political issues of the day. If you want
"purity" learn Koine Greek and read the Texus Receptus, like my wife, the
ancient language scholar can do.
 

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I have a trilinear, King James 1611, side by side with hebew in OT and Greek in NT

Im not a scholar, but I do like to ruin doomsdayer's day :)
 
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I'm of the conviction that it is, yes.

There is liberty in celebration of holy days. I don't do Easter bunnies, eggs, Christmas trees, ... but I do celebrate/remember the incarnation and the resurrection.


Colossians 2:16

American King James Version
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
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Of course, but that is Christianity. Pure foolishness to the world.


I am a Christian. Regular church goer. Born and raised in a very big Christian household. That has nothing to do with this thread. I don't care WHAT that sign means. It is obvious the kids doing it aren't intending it that way. If you truly think they are then you are badly mistaken. With me it is all about intention, there are so many things in this world that MAY mean one thing, but if you are doing them and not intending them in that manner then I don't see a problem with it.

I truly doubt any of these kids that are doing it, that don't mean it that way, are going to be punished by the man upstairs one day for doing so.
 
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I have a trilinear, King James 1611, side by side with hebew in OT and Greek in NT

Im not a scholar, but I do like to ruin doomsdayer's day :)

Nice... I also have a Geneva Bible from 1575, which is also based on the Texus Receptus.
 

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A preterist view of Revelation interprets it as taking place in the first century, and indeed the Anti-Christ referring to Nero. This is a reasonable interpretation and one that I am inclined to believe. But, it isn't the most common interpretation of Revelation - which is one that believes that most of Revelation has still not occurred (futurist interpretation).

Glad to see we both agree on how the book of Revelations should be interpreted. Taking that thing literally is just as silly as taking the creation story literally - even for devout Christians. Personally, I think the concept of an "antichrist, rapture, etc." is just too much of a cash cow for the modern church to move away from completely.
 
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Glad to see we both agree on how the book of Revelations should be interpreted. Taking that thing literally is just as silly as taking the creation story literally - even for devout Christians. Personally, I think the concept of an "antichrist, rapture, etc." is just too much of a cash cow for the modern church to move away from completely.

"Revelation"

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