Signing Day thread

[cloverleaf]

Coach, one thing going for Mullen is he has a history of developing quarterbacks when you consider
Alex Smith at Utah, Tim Tebow with Florida and Dak Prescott and Nick Fitzgerald at Mississippi State.
Getting incoming freshman Emory Jones to flip from Ohio State was a plus. I wouldn't be surprised
if he's not the Gator starting QB by the second game.

 

[Knightrofins]

The only thing i dont like about the "star system" is that certain players get ranked based on what schools are interested in them. If Joe Schmo was a 2-3 star player and its found out that Alabama has interest in him, then Joe Schmo would then be upgraded to a 3-4 star player.

I think i've read that only 1 5 star player has ever gone G5. That is the DL who currently plays for Houston

 

[rolltide]

The only thing i dont like about the "star system" is that certain players get ranked based on what schools are interested in them. If Joe Schmo was a 2-3 star player and its found out that Alabama has interest in him, then Joe Schmo would then be upgraded to a 3-4 star player.

I think i've read that only 1 5 star player has ever gone G5. That is the DL who currently plays for Houston

depends on the service...what you're describing is what scout and espn have always done. if bama is sniffing around they automatically go from no stars to 3 stars

rivals has a 2-star minimum for offer so if a kid goes from no offers to a D1 offer he gets at least 2 stars.

what people don't like about Rivals is that they run many camps so are basing ratings more on camp production than on game production. My guess is that once 247/scout/espn gets into the camp game themselves they will also grade more heavily on camps and less on what schools offer which kid. It's much easier, and more relevant, to rate a player against his peers in a camp than it is against how they are producing in Texas 6A games vs Ohio 6A games.

yeah other than Oliver I can't remember a really highly rated kid go outside the power-5 but, then again, why would they? That's like saying you don't know anyone that really loves a high-end filet eat at Outback.

 

[rolltide]

247 is definitely the easiest to go to for recruiting, but I do agree that Rivals is the gold-standard. The composite is nice to see as an average, but at the end of the day Rivals is still the best overall when it comes to rankings.

CL, I agree that Mullen will have to step up his game. He seems to be doing that (they visited and offered the #1 recruit in next years class on Monday, a DE from California). I doubt he lands him, but this is definitely something he wouldn't have wasted his time doing at MSU. There's a 247 story about Mullen making a priority in taking back the state, which is something McElwain's lazy ass gave up.

For UF, A&M, FSU, Tennessee, and the other schools w/ new coaches this year is a "transition" year and transition classes are rarely "great" (although Kirby did well w/ his first class). I'm holding judgement on Mullen until the 2019 class signs.

well if Bama's interest holds any weight for you i can tell you they had Emory Jones as the highest rated QB on the board

certainly the prevailing theme is that Lawrence and Fields are can't-miss prospects but Bama absolutely loved Jones and had him rated at the top.

not that CNS' track record of QB recruiting is spectacular (only coached one 1R qb in his career, Jamarcus Russell) but you should be pretty excited about Jones

 

[Knightrofins]

depends on the service...what you're describing is what scout and espn have always done. if bama is sniffing around they automatically go from no stars to 3 stars

rivals has a 2-star minimum for offer so if a kid goes from no offers to a D1 offer he gets at least 2 stars.

what people don't like about Rivals is that they run many camps so are basing ratings more on camp production than on game production. My guess is that once 247/scout/espn gets into the camp game themselves they will also grade more heavily on camps and less on what schools offer which kid. It's much easier, and more relevant, to rate a player against his peers in a camp than it is against how they are producing in Texas 6A games vs Ohio 6A games.

yeah other than Oliver I can't remember a really highly rated kid go outside the power-5 but, then again, why would they? That's like saying you don't know anyone that really loves a high-end filet eat at Outback.

Understood about the 5 star guy going G5. If i'm a 5 star recruit, i'm going to a "bigger" school as well. The best way a G5 school to get a top guy is that if that player transfers from a big school or it that 5 star player had to go JUCO b/c of grades.

I always like to look at the espn 300 many years later and see where those players end up. I've seen in many cases the #1 overall high school guy get drafted into the NFL even though he was just "ok" in college (RIP Joe McKnight)

 

[rolltide]

Understood about the 5 star guy going G5. If i'm a 5 star recruit, i'm going to a "bigger" school as well. The best way a G5 school to get a top guy is that if that player transfers from a big school or it that 5 star player had to go JUCO b/c of grades.

I always like to look at the espn 300 many years later and see where those players end up. I've seen in many cases the #1 overall high school guy get drafted into the NFL even though he was just "ok" in college (RIP Joe McKnight)

i wasn't exaggerating when i said ESPN have as many people covering the nation as Rivals has covering one school. it's pathetic

i believe they do allocated a lot of resources to hoops recruiting but not to football

i should go take a peek at their ratings...but i won't. is a waste of time

can't get em all right....Rivals had Jimmy Clausen #1 that year

 

[cloverleaf]

RT, Alabama can't seem to get a quarterback to commit in this class. Last I heard, Saban
had offered an Ivy League commit a scholarship. Tide only has 3 scholarship quarterbacks
on the team right now.

 

[pathologist]

Did they land any of the 5* dbs that were in town. I read prospect Surtain was leaning LSU

 

[cloverleaf]

Did they land any of the 5* dbs that were in town. I read prospect Surtain was leaning LSU

Not that I know of Path. Signing day is Feb. 7 i believe. Saban has signed three CBs all 4star (Davis, Smith and Jobe)
I haven't heard anything on the three 5star DBs who Bama is recruiting.

 

[Knightrofins]

I know Surtain Sr met with Saban last week about a possible job. He didn’t take the job.

 

[cloverleaf]

I know Surtain Sr met with Saban last week about a possible job. He didn’t take the job.

OR...he was never offered the job.

Jesus, you don't Nick Saban and never will and your post is being a CNN clown!

 

[CoachCB]

RT, Alabama can't seem to get a quarterback to commit in this class. Last I heard, Saban
had offered an Ivy League commit a scholarship. Tide only has 3 scholarship quarterbacks
on the team right now.

Alabama is throwing darts right now trying to find a QB. I'm glad Mullen got Jones to sign early or I fear he would have gotten the full court press from Saban and Co.

Alabama's latest QB offers are two 3-star kids, the one committed to Princeton and a kid from Arizona. The Arizona kid has huge numbers, was the Gatorade POY in Arizona, but his best offer is Boise. It's got to be flattering for a kid to be recruited by Alabama, but these two kids have got to know they are Plan Z's (way, way, way, way, way down the list). Which means they likely get washed out in 2 or 3 years (i.e. asked to transfer, which Alabama is known to do w/ non-contributors).

 

[Knightrofins]

OR...he was never offered the job.

Jesus, you don't Nick Saban and never will and your post is being a CNN clown!

I don’t recall saying that he was “offered a job” but thx for putting words in my mouth. Correct, I don’t know Nick Saban but I don’t recall ever saying I did. Good luck on on alabama’s Recruiting class this season!! Imagine how much better it would be to be a Bama fan if u were actually smart enough to be accepted to that school!!

 

[MackDonald]

Will college football ever consider installing a draft similar to the NFL......I doubt if the "Heavy Weight" programs would stand still for it....
Some school do have an advantage but the bottom line is an education......right ?

 

[Knightrofins]

Won’t happen as it’s the student athlete’s choice where he wants to attend college. What if “School A” drafted you and they don’t offer what you want to major in.

I think the only way it could happen is if that player agrees to get paid and would go anywhere as he doesn’t care so much about his education

 

[cloverleaf]

I don’t recall saying that he was “offered a job” but thx for putting words in my mouth. Correct, I don’t know Nick Saban but I don’t recall ever saying I did. Good luck on on alabama’s Recruiting class this season!! Imagine how much better it would be to be a Bama fan if u were actually smart enough to be accepted to that school!!

Smart enough but not good enough to play for Bear. Got a 4 year free ride at a smaller school and grateful for the GIFT!

 

[Knightrofins]

Smart enough but not good enough to play for Bear. Got a 4 year free ride at a smaller school and grateful for the GIFT!

If that’s the case where your college days were during the Bear Bryant era, then aren’t you a little bit too old to be an internet troll? I seriously thought you were in your early to mid 20’s with your maturity level. Wow, just wow!!

i’m done arguing with you as it’s obvious that CTE has gotten to u from your college football days.

Be well my friend and take care of yourself!!

 

[cloverleaf]

10-4 Bud....I'm an old timer

Maybe its just experience but when I recognize we have a STUD like you here at RX.

We all bow down and say just another in a long line................

 

[Knightrofins]

I don’t recall ever stating I was a legend or trying to achieve legendary status. Too many studs on this site that I respect who have forgotten more than I will ever know.

Just seems like any time I mention something that is “anti Alabama”, you have crazy thin skin and troll me until there is no end. All I said on this thread that pat Surtain sr didn’t take the Bama job when meeting with Saban and u jump all over me saying things I never said.

This is a gambling message board in the college football section. We talk college football in this section. If u want to talk about Bama and Bama only, then start a Bama thread or post on a Bama message board. This is a signing day thread. Relax. Bama isn’t gonna get every 5 Star stud out there. I’m sure they’ll be fine next year. Maybe they could beat auburn?

Roll tide, my apologies for hijacking the thread

 

[rolltide]

pretty cool list here. The head rivals writer took all the 5-stars and created a "bust factor" ... his #1, cannot miss, no chance of a bust, guy is Xavier Thomas btw.... (he did a separate story on Thomas)

thought it worth sharing even if it doesn't post all that well. I would rate Ross at least a MEDIUM for bust factor whether or not he ends up in Ttown. and tough to think that both UGA 5-star RB will become superstars...


1. QB
Trevor Lawrence
– LOW – As stated above, he’s the best quarterback I’ve ever seen at the high school level.2. QB
Justin Fields
– MEDIUM – The situation at Georgia is an iffy one and he’s a superior talent, but needs some refining in the passing game.3. WR
Amon-Ra St. Brown
– LOW – He’s going to be a great receiver, there is no doubt about it. He’s one of the most sure things on the list.4. QB
JT Daniels
– MEDIUM – The early jump and a lack of great height and length has him on the medium list, but he’s a special talent.5. DE
Xavier Thomas
– LOW – Worth ethic and the ability to play defensive end or grow into a tackle makes him a can’t-miss.6. DE
Micah Parsons
– MEDIUM – The only question marks I have are maturity and the move to inside linebacker here. He’s a freak, though.7. DE
Eyabi Anoma
– MEDIUM – Maturity is the big question mark, because otherwise he’s a freaky talent.8. CB
Patrick Surtain
– LOW – Corners are usually at least medium risk, but Surtain has the size and skill to dominate at either corner or safety.9. OL
Jamaree Salyer
– LOW – He’ll be a road grader and likely three-year starter. He could play tackle if needed.10. RB
Zamir White
– LOW – Running backs are usually always medium, but if he returns healthy, there’s no way he can miss.11. OT
Nick Petit-Frere
– LOW – A freaky athlete, he could play defense if needed and will be successful at either left or right tackle. He’s just starting to scratch the surface.12. DE
Adam Anderson
– MEDIUM – A great pass rusher, the only question I have is about his frame.13. RB
Lorenzo Lingard
– MEDIUM – The running back factor is here for him as that position seems to have a high bust factor.14. S
Tyreke Johnson
– MEDIUM – He’s a big hitter who could play corner or safety, but there are some questions about his consistency as a cover man.15. WR
Justyn Ross
– LOW – A tall, angular receiver with great body control, it’s hard to see him busting out.16. OT
Jackson Carman
– MEDIUM – Will he be a guard and can he lose some bad weight in college? He has the skill but does he have the dedication.17. CB
Brendan Radley-Hiles
– LOW – Despite his lack of great size, he’s a sure thing to be a terrific player.18. WR
Justin Shorter
– LOW – His size and speed combination will allow him to dominate at the next level and beyond.19. OT
Cade Mays
– MEDIUM – He could be a right tackle or move to guard, but I worry a bit about his footwork.20. LB
Teradja Mitchell
– LOW – His tackling ability and instincts should make him a star at the college level.21. LB
Palaie Gaoteote
– LOW – Linebackers bust out often but Gaoteote has the range and smarts to be a low risk in this area.22. RB
James Cook
– MEDIUM – He has the talent, but could he get caught up in the wash of the depth chart as Georgia continues to add elite running backs?23. CB
Olaijah Griffin
– MEDIUM – Does he love football and will he be physical enough and grow out his frame enough to be key in run support?24. S
Caden Sterns
– LOW – He’s a hitter, he’s excellent in run support and he is a ball hawk.25. CB
Tyson Campbell
– LOW – He takes some risks but he’s too tall and athletic to now be a star at corner or safety.26. DE
K.J. Henry
– LOW – High character, great work ethic and a frame to build on with athletic skill, he won’t miss.27. WR
Terrace Marshall Jr.
– MEDIUM – He has talent but will he dominate and take over games like he should?28. WR
Mark Pope
– MEDIUM – My main question is a lack of great size and that he probably has to be a slot receiver.29. S
Jaiden Woodbey
– LOW – Others question his focus and concentration but he’s too much of a freaky athlete to fail.30. WR
Derion Kendrick
– LOW – He reminds me of Percy Harvin
, he’s that fast around the corner and that will make him dominant.31. WR
Jaylen Waddle
– MEDIUM – Like Pope, I worry a bit about his size despite the way smaller receivers are dominating these days.32. CB
Isaac Taylor-Stuart
– MEDIUM – He has all the talent and physical skills in the world, but I question his “want to” at times.33. DE
Brenton Cox
– MEDIUM – He’s a gamer but the knock against him is the work he puts in during the week so I’ll put him at medium.This is how I handicapped the bust factor for 2017's five-stars.