Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

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Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

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It's worth noting again that the grand jury report says Paterno was informed of "Jerry Sandusky ... fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

http://deadspin.com/penn-state-scandal/

And still Paterno never stopped Sandusky from bringing new children to the Penn State facilities. One soon-to-be-raped kid was brought in as recently as 2007
 

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I would say leave the statue up with some minor adjustments. Add an adjoining statue of Jerry Sandusky with his hands down a little boy's underwear, and then put a blindfold on JoePa and put his hands over his ears with a wallet with millions of dollars of Pennsylvania tax money sticking out of his rear pocket.
 

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PATERNO was all about himself and he proved it with this situation.he was stubborn to tell the truth to the police and or fbi about what he knew and heard and also after seeing that his higher ups did nothing he did nothing as far as going to the police and reporting that his brass did not follow thru with what he told them.he could have opened up but he didn;t
 

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PATERNO was all about himself and he proved it with this situation.he was stubborn to tell the truth to the police and or fbi about what he knew and heard and also after seeing that his higher ups did nothing he did nothing as far as going to the police and reporting that his brass did not follow thru with what he told them.he could have opened up but he didn;t

Maybe the guy didn't do all he could do in the situation but your post indicating the coach was all about himself is ludicrous. The guy had millions of dollars yet lived in a shitty house all the while donating a ton of that money to the university. He created scholarships for PSU students and took a deep interest in the football team graduation rates.

If he was all about himself he would've left this job years ago and hundreds of former athletes wouldn't have attended his funeral service.

Your post couldn't be more off.
 

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Look, I think the coach used some poor judgement in this entire situation. I think he had some information that something inappropriate was taking place with Sandusky and reported it but didn't look into it any further which I think he had an obligation to do. The million dollar question is should that poor judgement override his 50+ years of legend? In my opinion, no it should not.

And I think you guys are giving a free pass to the guy that should really get his ass kicked. McQuery should never coach college football again for witnessing what he witnessed and walking away. How can you have the opinion that Joe Paterno's statue should be taken down but nothing happen to a guy that witnesses a kid getting raped in a shower and walks home and calls his dad? That's absurd.
 

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Leave the statue. But below his name have the saying "ignorance is not bliss."
 

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Maybe the guy didn't do all he could do in the situation but your post indicating the coach was all about himself is ludicrous. The guy had millions of dollars yet lived in a shitty house all the while donating a ton of that money to the university. He created scholarships for PSU students and took a deep interest in the football team graduation rates.

If he was all about himself he would've left this job years ago and hundreds of former athletes wouldn't have attended his funeral service.

Your post couldn't be more off.





your post couldn't be more way off,if he did what he should have done maybe he could have protected the kids that were molested by sandusky but he didn't.as far as his coaching he should have retired many years ago but the greedy old bastard kept going.he wasn't even really coaching the last 5 years the sideline coaches were.then he was in the booth after he got hit on the sideline and after it healed he still was in the booth.a lot more recruits would have gone to penn st if he retired but he didn't and they went somewhere else.penn st has been shit the last few years and its all because of him and not giving up coaching.thats why he didn't get PRYOR for QB.
 

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your post couldn't be more way off,if he did what he should have done maybe he could have protected the kids that were molested by sandusky but he didn't.as far as his coaching he should have retired many years ago but the greedy old bastard kept going.he wasn't even really coaching the last 5 years the sideline coaches were.then he was in the booth after he got hit on the sideline and after it healed he still was in the booth.a lot more recruits would have gone to penn st if he retired but he didn't and they went somewhere else.penn st has been shit the last few years and its all because of him and not giving up coaching.thats why he didn't get PRYOR for QB.

How does this show he was all about himself? Bad judgement? Yes. Selfish? Hardly.

The guy was getting old and we all know that but the program was getting recruits and the team was winning. There's no denying that. To call him selfish or say he was all about himself is out in left field.

Do you follow Penn St. at all? How have they been shit the last few years? As early as 2009 they were 11-2. Bowl games in 2010 and 2011.
 

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Recruiting...

2009 - #24
2010 - #12
2011 - #35

Not the best but not the worst.
 

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Maybe the guy didn't do all he could do in the situation but your post indicating the coach was all about himself is ludicrous. The guy had millions of dollars yet lived in a shitty house all the while donating a ton of that money to the university. He created scholarships for PSU students and took a deep interest in the football team graduation rates.

If he was all about himself he would've left this job years ago and hundreds of former athletes wouldn't have attended his funeral service.

Your post couldn't be more off.

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The million dollar question is should that poor judgement override his 50+ years of legend? In my opinion, no it should not.

Exactly how many years of winning coaching is the minimum to excuse covering up for a child rapist? Art Briles has done really good things in four years at Baylor, but I assume that's not long enough. But did, say, Bobby Bowden put in enough years that it would have been OK for him to willingly cover up some forced sodomy?

Anything good Paterno did in his coaching career -- be it on the field, seeing players graduate, donating money to the university -- are all completely overshadowed by his allowing a predator to go on raping kids, even letting him onto PSU athletic facilities to do it. That's Paterno's legacy. That's all of it.

I actually have far more sympathy for McQuery than for Paterno, because I can understand the mechanism behind his failure to stop what he walked in on. In psychology there are a couple of principles called cognitive dissonance and denial that would come into play. Basically, when suddenly confronted by something completely shocking, completely unexpected and completely out of the norm of what is typically expected in a certain circumstance, then the mind often simply refuses to believe -- temporarily, at least -- what has just been witnessed. If what was witnessed was seen only briefly, then the subconscious will try to rationalize what was just discovered, trying to turn the out-of-the-ordinary event into something ordinary. A really common example of this is people refusing at first to accept the sudden death of a loved one. It's almost a sure thing that McQuery didn't fully begin to believe he saw what he saw until some time later.

Still, McQuery's coaching days are more than likely done.
 

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Exactly how many years of winning coaching is the minimum to excuse covering up for a child rapist? Art Briles has done really good things in four years at Baylor, but I assume that's not long enough. But did, say, Bobby Bowden put in enough years that it would have been OK for him to willingly cover up some forced sodomy?

Anything good Paterno did in his coaching career -- be it on the field, seeing players graduate, donating money to the university -- are all completely overshadowed by his allowing a predator to go on raping kids, even letting him onto PSU athletic facilities to do it. That's Paterno's legacy. That's all of it.

I actually have far more sympathy for McQuery than for Paterno, because I can understand the mechanism behind his failure to stop what he walked in on. In psychology there are a couple of principles called cognitive dissonance and denial that would come into play. Basically, when suddenly confronted by something completely shocking, completely unexpected and completely out of the norm of what is typically expected in a certain circumstance, then the mind often simply refuses to believe -- temporarily, at least -- what has just been witnessed. If what was witnessed was seen only briefly, then the subconscious will try to rationalize what was just discovered, trying to turn the out-of-the-ordinary event into something ordinary. A really common example of this is people refusing at first to accept the sudden death of a loved one. It's almost a sure thing that McQuery didn't fully begin to believe he saw what he saw until some time later.

Still, McQuery's coaching days are more than likely done.

Very good post but why do you say Paterno covered up the act of a child rapist? How did he do that?
 

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Very good post but why do you say Paterno covered up the act of a child rapist? How did he do that?

Because Paterno was involved in e-mail discussion with the other three in 2001, specifically discussing Sandusky and his sickness. Sandusky then abused MORE victims after they did nothing.
 

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Because Paterno was involved in e-mail discussion with the other three in 2001, specifically discussing Sandusky and his sickness. Sandusky then abused MORE victims after they did nothing.

Is it Paterno's job to take action or Paterno's boss that should take action? Shouldn't the president of the school be the authority to take action in this case after reported?

And again, how did he cover it up? I must admit that I'm not read in on all the up-to-date emails so if there was a blatant cover up by the coach then I'm wrong.
 

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Look, I think the coach used some poor judgement in this entire situation. I think he had some information that something inappropriate was taking place with Sandusky and reported it but didn't look into it any further which I think he had an obligation to do. The million dollar question is should that poor judgement override his 50+ years of legend? In my opinion, no it should not.

And I think you guys are giving a free pass to the guy that should really get his ass kicked. McQuery should never coach college football again for witnessing what he witnessed and walking away. How can you have the opinion that Joe Paterno's statue should be taken down but nothing happen to a guy that witnesses a kid getting raped in a shower and walks home and calls his dad? That's absurd.
How would you feel about JoPa if one of those kids raped were yours?
 

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I will tell ya. If that was a family member of mine. I would have killed Joe Pa, Sanduskey, McQuery also. I would also have to kill the family members of all involved. You see with shit like this you don't just get even you have to do 3 times what they did to you.


I picture my little nephew and it would enraged me that I would kill all of them. It amazes me that more people don't think like me. Remember not to just get even you must go way past what they did so that means you kill about 20 people for this. Joe Pa, his wife, his kid. Sanduskey, his wife. McQuerey and his wife, All the top guys from Penn St and thier wives and or kids.


You send a message that for the future people will not be silent. I have a friend that was abused as a child. I have seen the damage this has done and its never over for the victims. He is 44 yrs old and just can never get his shit together. Its terrible.

I would kill all child molesters and never lose any sleep over it
 

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I will tell ya. If that was a family member of mine. I would have killed Joe Pa, Sanduskey, McQuery also. I would also have to kill the family members of all involved. You see with shit like this you don't just get even you have to do 3 times what they did to you.


I picture my little nephew and it would enraged me that I would kill all of them. It amazes me that more people don't think like me. Remember not to just get even you must go way past what they did so that means you kill about 20 people for this. Joe Pa, his wife, his kid. Sanduskey, his wife. McQuerey and his wife, All the top guys from Penn St and thier wives and or kids.


You send a message that for the future people will not be silent. I have a friend that was abused as a child. I have seen the damage this has done and its never over for the victims. He is 44 yrs old and just can never get his shit together. Its terrible.

I would kill all child molesters and never lose any sleep over it

If you really have this mindset RS, you might want to get some help.
 

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Also never seems to amaze me how some of the mods here can even put on thier pants in the morning. Sometimes they say the dumbest shit ever that I think it has to be a level. Alteast I sure do hope its a level if not god help us all that people walk around with that type of thinking.

Also for all those rose colored liberal utopia type of idiots. Yes people need to be killed that hurt little children. I am for a slow slow death in times square on free TV. Nice and slow and make it hurt like hell till that fucker is begging to be dead.
 

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If you really have this mindset RS, you might want to get some help.


why just get even you need to get more than even.

I had a guy owe me money and he said he wasn't going to pay so I flipped his desk over on him and made him write me a check on the spot while the desk was still on him. So we are eeven right?????? Nope

I stabbed his tires on the way out and also broke his windows out. You need to send a message of not only getting even but go over the top and hope that the guy will learn a lesson.

Like I said I look at my little nephew and would kill all of them. Come home take a nap and go out and kill the rest of them. Thats the only way to win
 

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