Seabiscut OR Secretariat ...Who wins in a match race and why?

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Might have something to do with the good luck she has wagering after rubbing his bald dome and making three wishes for winning bets each weekend.


I heard this is the case also
 

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Overconfidence would defeat Secretariat as it did War Admiral.
Seabiscuit would seize the moment and the crowds emotion and win in a closer finish than the win over War Admiral.
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now there ya go....
 

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JW, if that Little Theatre Group ever decides to do SEABISCUIT, I believe you should audition for the role of that gutsy jockey
 

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From ESPN's Sportscentury Biography..

Perhaps no horse in the 20th century captivated a nation the way Seabiscuit did in the late 1930s. At a time interest in horse racing was blossoming, the grandson of Man o' War became the people's choice for his determination, resiliency and raw talent. Many still consider his 1938 match race with War Admiral one of the sport's classic events.


not even close Dan Patch was a much bigger star..
 

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Secretariat..numbers too much
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From ESPN's Sportscentury Biography..

Perhaps no horse in the 20th century captivated a nation the way Seabiscuit did in the late 1930s. At a time interest in horse racing was blossoming, the grandson of Man o' War became the people's choice for his determination, resiliency and raw talent. Many still consider his 1938 match race with War Admiral one of the sport's classic events.


not even close Dan Patch was a much bigger star..


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How many homeruns would the Babe hit with todays ball with Randy Johnson (in his prime pitching)?

I have never seen the reason behind these discussions. Secretariat is a superstar.

So is the Babe.
 

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Big horse racing fan (not particularly US stuff) but to me opening up on the best of your generation is what seperates the legends from the elite. Secretariats achievements to me are unquestionably the strongest in US racing history the same as Arkle is a legend back in Uk jumps racing. Nothing I saw in Seabiscuit movie to make me remotely think he was in Secretariat's rating bracket.
 

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Seabiscut OR Secretariat ...Who wins in a match race and why?


Neither , they are both dead...
 

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great sports newspaper articles ever written imo...enjoy

-- Grantland Rice --

The drama and melodrama of this match race,
held before a record crowd keyed to the highest tension I have ever seen in sport, set an all time mark.

You must get the picture from the start
to absorb the thrill of this perfect autumn day over a perfect track. As the two thoroughbreds paraded to the post there was no emotional outburst. The big crowd
was too full of tension, the type of tension that locks the human throat.

You looked at the odds
flashed upon the mutual board--War Admiral, one to four, Seabiscuit two to one.
Even those backing War Admiral,
the great majority of the crowd, felt their pity for the son of Hard Tack and Swing On [Seabiscuit], who had come along the hard way
and had churned up the dust of almost every track from the Great Lakes to the Gulf, from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

After two false starts,
they were off. But it wasn't the fast-flying War Admiral who took the lead.
It was Seabiscuit, taking the whip from Woolf, who got the jump.
It was Seabiscuit who had a full-length lead as they passed the first furlong.
The Admiral's supporters were dazed as the 'Biscuit not only held this lead but increased it to two lengths before they passed the first quarter.

The 'Biscuit' was moving along as smoothly as a southern breeze.
And then the first roar of the big crowd swept over Maryland. The Admiral was moving up. Stride by stride, Man o' War's favorite offspring
was closing up the open gap.
You could hear the roar from thousands of throats
"Here he comes, here he comes!"

And the Admiral was under full steam.
He cut away a length.
He cut away another length as they came to the half-mile post--and now they were running head and head.
The Admiral looked Seabiscuit in the eye at the three-quarters
but Seabiscuit never got the look.
He was too busy running with his shorter, faster stride.

For almost a half mile they ran as one horse, painted against the green, red and orange foliage of a Maryland countryside. They were neck and neck--head and head--nose and nose.

The great Admiral had thrown his challenge.
You could see that he expected Seabiscuit to quit and curl up.
But, Seabiscuit has never been that brand of horse.
I had seen him before in two $100,000 races at Santa Anita, boxed out,
knocked to his knees, taking the worst of all the racing luck--
almost everything except facing a firing squad or a machine-gun nest-- and yet, through all this barrage of trouble Seabiscuit was always there,
challenging at the wire. I saw him run the fastest half-mile ever run at Santa Anita last March, when he had to do it in his pursuit of Stagehand.

So, when War Admiral moved up on even terms
and 40,000 throats poured out their tribute to the Admiral, I still knew that the 'Biscuit would be alongside at the finish.
The 'Biscuit had come up the hard way. That happens to be the only way worth while.
The Admiral had known only the softer years--
the softer type of competition. He had never before met a combination
of a grizzly bear and a running fool.

Head and head they came to the mile.
There wasn't a short conceded putt between them. It was a question now of the horse
that had the heart.
Seabiscuit had lost his two-length margin.
His velvet had been shot away. He was on his own where all races are won-
down the stretch. He had come to the great kingdom of all sport--
the kingdom of the heart.

The Admiral had shown his reserve speed.
From two lengths away he was now on even terms.
But as they passed the mile post with three-sixteenths left--the vital test--the stretch that always tells the story--where 40,000 looked for the fleet War Admiral
to move away--there was another story.
Seabiscuit was still hanging on. Seabiscuit hadn't quit. With barely more than a final furlong left, the hard-way son of Hard Tack must have said to the Admiral--
"Now, lets start running.
Let's see who is the better horse."

Foot by foot and yard by yard,
Woolf and Seabiscuit started moving away. Charlie Kurtzinger
gave the Admiral the whip.
But you could see from the stands that the Admiral suddenly knew he had
nothing left in heart or feet to match this crazy five-year-old who all his life had known only the uphill, knockdown devil-take-the-loser route,
any track--any distance--any weight--any time.
And who the hell are you?

War Admiral had no answer.
Down the final furlong the great-hearted 'Biscuit put on extra speed.
He moved on by. Then he opened a small gap. Forty thousand expected the Admiral to move up, close the gap again.
But the Admiral was through. He had run against too many
plow horses and platers in his soft easy life.
He had never tackled a Seabiscuit before.

He had never met a horse
who could look him in the eye down the stretch and say to him, in horse language,
"Now let's start traveling, kid. How do you feel?
I feel great. This is down my alley."

Yard by yard Seabiscuit moved on ahead.
Then it was length by length. Seabiscuit left the Admiral so far behind
that it wasn't even a contest down the stretch. War Admiral might just have well be chasing a will-o-the-wisp in a midnight swamp.
He might just as well have been a fat poodle chasing a meat wagon.
He had been outrun and outgamed--he had been run off the track by a battered five-year-old who had more speed and heart.

The race, they say, isn't to the swift.
But it is always to the swift and the game. It so happened that Seabiscuit
had these two important qualities in deep abundance.
War Admiral could match neither flying feet not fighting heart. Man o' War's brilliant son hung on with all he had until it came to the big showdown--
to the point when the hard-way thoroughbred,
the horse from the wrong side of the track,
began really to run.
 

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