Report: Manziel getting butt kicked in QB battle

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Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel (2) looks to pass during organized team activities at the Cleveland Browns practice facility.



BEREA, Ohio - On the night he was drafted by the Cleveland Browns, Johnny Manziel said he knew he was "starting at the bottom of the totem pole."


He was right.


The Browns were on the field for their second organized team activity practice of the spring Wednesday, and Manziel spent part of that practice operating the third team.


The Browns -- from owner Jimmy Haslam on down -- have been very clear that Brian Hoyer is their starting quarterback, and that if Manziel wants to change that he's going to have work to earn it.
"He was going to have to kind of check his ego at the door and earn that 'Johnny Football' nickname again," Browns coach Mike Pettine said earlier this week.


Later Wednesday, Browns general manager Ray Farmer said in a radio interview with one of the team's partner stations that Hoyer is the better quarterback "by a substantial margin" right now.


Manziel spoke to the media last weekend after a rookie minicamp practice, saying he was humble and eager and understood the fight he's facing. He did not speak on Wednesday.


"Johnny has done a good job of being a rookie, keeping his mouth shut," Browns seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas said. "Rookies are supposed to be seen and not heard."


Hoyer, who's recovering from a torn ACL last October, isn't cleared for full 11-on-11 work. On his few snaps with the full team Wednesday, the defensive linemen were under orders to basically stand there. Veteran Tyler Thigpen, added to the Browns roster late last month, got most of the other reps with the first unit. Earlier this week, Pettine said the team would track reps closely to ensure a fair competition throughout the spring and summer.


It's a competition that's just beginning.


"It's just like any other rookie, that he's just inconsistent," Pettine said of Manziel. "A lot of it's the mental part of it. He's more worrying about getting the formation right, making sure the motion's correct and he's got the cadence. Then he's got to worry about where guys are. Once all that stuff becomes second nature a little bit, he'll be a lot more comfortable.


"He flashed some things that made him kind of who he is, the ability to make plays on his feet."


Manziel and the Browns have eight more OTA sessions over the next two weeks, then a full-squad minicamp June 10-12 that wraps up the offseason for the veterans. Manziel and the rookies will be at the facility for about two weeks after that.


Training camp will begin in late July, two weeks before the Browns open the preseason -- a preseason that the drafting of Manziel and the launching of this quarterback competition made very interesting.


"I don't need to be handed anything," Hoyer said. "They've made it really clear that it is going to be a competition."
 

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Can't answer your question Hache.... but I would like everyone to notice and remember.....

Nobody should be at all surprised if J. Manziel fails miserably. His skills don't match up to the NFL game.

My real point is this....... he is a great example of the fact that color is not the issue on NFL quarterbacks. Apparently NCAA coaches find more young black men to fill their needs if they want to run the spread type offenses. NCAA coaches are trying to win for their jobs.... not to run an NFL training facility. People want to belly ache that we are racist when we simply recognize one young man's talent as a better fit in the NFL than the next.

Asking a kid to come from some of the NCAA backgrounds and make in the NFL...... well, it is like asking a T-ball kid to go straight to MLB. NCAA football and the NFL are not even the same sport at the quarterback position.

This plus the fact that true top NFL QB talents come along so rarely anyway!
 

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Also, unfortunately I feel like Manziel will probably crash and burn because of his attitude if he proves not to be "the man".
 

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Trade his ass.

It's May still isn't it? I thought so.

non story imo. Lets talk about Tom Brady please. Can we can we?
 

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So you're telling me a rookie QB didn't come in and blow away the coaching staff in two days of OTAs? And that the incumbent 9-yr veteran QB knows the playbook better than the rookie does?

Color me shocked.

I'd say it's better than 50-50 chance Manziel starts Week 1, which is all that really matters. Browns making JFF earn his way up the depth chart. Nothing wrong with that.
 

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So you're telling me a rookie QB didn't come in and blow away the coaching staff in two days of OTAs? And that the incumbent 9-yr veteran QB knows the playbook better than the rookie does?

Color me shocked.

I'd say it's better than 50-50 chance Manziel starts Week 1, which is all that really matters. Browns making JFF earn his way up the depth chart. Nothing wrong with that.

Barring injury, he isn't starting. The bottom line is this guy is poorer version on Mike Vick. If he didn't have the fan excitement attached to him, he is a 3rd round pick. Look at the play that A&M fans claim is great vs bama in College Station, where he threw it up against 4 DBs and was lucky they caught it. That stupid shit will be picked in the NFL. He doesn't have the arm strength and keep in mind Evans helped erase a lot mistakes.
 

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hard to believe a 28 year old 5-yr NFL qb vet is ahead of a 21 year old after 2 practices

no way the brahns are going with hoyer as starting qb week 1. dude couldn't beat out charlie batch or ryan lindley
 

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hard to believe a 28 year old 5-yr NFL qb vet is ahead of a 21 year old after 2 practices

no way the brahns are going with hoyer as starting qb week 1. dude couldn't beat out charlie batch or ryan lindley

Normally I would make a wager on this, but don't know what the Browns brass wants to do in terms of fan excitement.
 
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When will people get it. Stop running around and be a tall and accurate quarterback. I don't care how strong your arm is or what you run in the 40. Impress me by your intelligence and accuracy. Seriously, people that aren't paid 150K a year for these decisions get it, These qb decisions are so easy. Russell Wilson will do down as an NFL failure even though so many are high on him currently. Same with RG 42 and that Kaepernack guy. Current back ups are better than these guys. Are they smart? Are they accurate? Play them . Peyton probably ran a 6.69 forty and redefined the position.
 

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I don't understand why they are constantly going out of their way to talk shit about the guy they just traded up to draft in the first round... This is very odd. Never seen anything like it in professional sports.
 

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Second day of organized practice activity and he's already being dragged through the mud! LOL



Here's where the Browns coaches gather in their offices after practice discussing Manziel being the first draft pick:

 

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