Come on guys, lets get serious here. I think the call wasn't too bad. Its easy to say gee it was bad now, but 4th and 15 is a very tough play to make. The Saints send a big blitz and Garcia is just going to throw it up for grabs, that is with no doubt the situation if they go for it. If the punt works out and they stopped the Saints, they get the ball back around 40-50 yard line with about 50 seconds just needing a FG, so about 30 yards in all probability.
In light of all that I don't think it was such a crazy idea to punt.
In light of all that I don't think it was such a crazy idea to punt.
The entire HEAD coaching fraternity would be 2x better if owners would take it upon themselves to start firing head coaches over bonehead decisions.
These guys get paid millions of dollars and their job is to make good decisions..........however, week in and week out we see flat out HORRIBLE decisions by head coaches.
Don't get me started on the REPLAY CHALLENGES some of these coaches DO and DON'T challenge..........some are really lost.
In fact, doesnt ANDY REID have a horrible challenge recored on instant replays???
These guys get paid millions of dollars and their job is to make good decisions..........however, week in and week out we see flat out HORRIBLE decisions by head coaches.
Don't get me started on the REPLAY CHALLENGES some of these coaches DO and DON'T challenge..........some are really lost.
In fact, doesnt ANDY REID have a horrible challenge recored on instant replays???
WildBill said:
Either way, they need to stop the Saints if they went for it and failed or punted. They did not stop Deuce all game, including the 8 minute previous drive. Philly's defense was clearly spent. Yes, they would probably lose 20-30 yards if they had not made it on 4th down, but you either get the stop or hold them to a FG and have another crack at getting a TD for the win. You do not play field position in that situation, with under 2 minutes left. It was a bonehead call, especially after making it on 4th and 10. Reid wasted an extra opportunity.
Hindsight is always 20/20. When you all get real about this and put out the odds of every outcome on paper you will see it wasn't a bad call. The fact that they made it on a 4th and 10 that didn't count means very little. You all should get a grip and realize what the odds are of making a 4th and 15. Those ought to be sobering enough to realize hoping your defense makes a play isn't a bad choice there. If they don't make the 4th down their chances of getting a tying FG are almost zero, by punting they gave themselves at least a chance whereas the 4th and 15 is just a desperation play for a team without big playmakers at WR.
No Fish I am sober as always, I just think you all think way too emotionally without thinking things out and being realistic about the odds. You all act like geniuses when just reacting emotionally can cost you. I am surprised you are on this side Fish, you usually strike me as a careful analyzer of the facts and take advantage of opportunities when the public overreacts, but I guess not.
I don't care, you all can call me an idiot, I still stand by my assertion that in an odds perspective what Reid did was about a wash or maybe a slight advantage. Too many people in here are acting like 4th and 15 isn't much, when I am sure its probably about 10% likely to succeed at best. I'd shade it down a bit in this spot, the Eagles line wasn't going to stop a blitz and Garcia would have just thrown it up for grabs. Whatever, I hope people continue being completely emotional in all their analysis, gives the astute opportunities to exploit.
I don't care, you all can call me an idiot, I still stand by my assertion that in an odds perspective what Reid did was about a wash or maybe a slight advantage. Too many people in here are acting like 4th and 15 isn't much, when I am sure its probably about 10% likely to succeed at best. I'd shade it down a bit in this spot, the Eagles line wasn't going to stop a blitz and Garcia would have just thrown it up for grabs. Whatever, I hope people continue being completely emotional in all their analysis, gives the astute opportunities to exploit.
WildBill said:
I respect your opinion and no way calling anyone an idiot. My opinion is that if they don't make the 4th and 15, they still had the same chance to stop the Saints and get the ball back as they did with punting. Maybe the Saints get a FG there and Philly needed a TD to win, but Philly had to stop them regardless to get the ball back, punting or not. In my honest opinion, they left a play (opportunity) on the field.
Fishhead said:
I couldn't help but 2nd this. After Sundays games you can add Marty and Billick to the list. Marty's decision to pass on the early FG and go on 4th and 11. He gives up 3 pts and gives NE excellent field position. Then to challenge and waste a timeout on the outcome of a play that was obvious to everyone but Marty. Result, SD loses by 3 and with that timeout would have been able to run 1 more play before attempting game tieing FG.
Billick, whose playcalling was like he had the ghost of Jim Fassel in his pocket, predictable nothing like what we had seen from Ravens down the stretch of season. At the postgame press conferences, you listen to their sorry ass comments and you'd think they were at a different game then the one we just watched. These Head Coaches don't seem to be accountable for their decision making. The coaches responsibility is to put their team into the best possible position to have a chance to win, and I think that these three Head Coaches failed to do this for their players.
