Prosecutor: Grant jury to weigh charges in Georgia shooting

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You can't fairly ask that question - because at the very last moment when Aubery goes for his gun - he's shoots Aubery or he is shot himself - so he has to shoot him at that point - of course if he never had gotten out of the car he doesn't have to worry about being shot or spending life in jail
Your statement above answers your own question...Mchuckles should have NEVER been there or gotten out of the car...the killing was 100% on them...self defense is not an option...Just a stupid argument.

If the guys would have minded their own business and not been there when they had ZERO reason to be there...this situation would not have occured.

The same can be said for Aubery...however he was unarmed and was not there to harm anyone...
 

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If Arbery pries the shotgun away from Junior, I’m guessing Senior empties his .357 into Arbery and Arbery is just as dead as he is today.

Senior looked slow as shit in that video - and he almost looks senile - Junior is getting gunned down and by the time Senior has his 9M out Aubery is long gone - you know he was an avid runner
 

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Senior looked slow as shit in that video - and he almost looks senile - Junior is getting gunned down and by the time Senior has his 9M out Aubery is long gone - you know he was an avid runner

And yet all the law and order types in this thread want to call Senior a “police officer” with “30 years experience” who was investigating a crime in his neighborhood.

You can’t have it both ways.
 

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You can't fairly ask that question - because at the very last moment when Aubery goes for his gun - he's shoots Aubery or he is shot himself - so he has to shoot him at that point - of course if he never had gotten out of the car he doesn't have to worry about being shot or spending life in jail

You should probably review the elements of self-defense. I am not sure what it is in Georgia, but it usually requires you did not give rise to the situation, and you are only allowed to use the level of force you are faced with.

Junior and Senior and Dash-cam Man obviously caused the confrontation, and brought a gun to confront an unarmed Arbery. They have no self-defense argument that I can see.
 

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And yet all the law and order types in this thread want to call Senior a “police officer” with “30 years experience” who was investigating a crime in his neighborhood.

You can’t have it both ways.

I just think his best days are behind him
 

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You should probably review the elements of self-defense. I am not sure what it is in Georgia, but it usually requires you did not give rise to the situation, and you are only allowed to use the level of force you are faced with.

Junior and Senior and Dash-cam Man obviously caused the confrontation, and brought a gun to confront an unarmed Arbery. They have no self-defense argument that I can see.

Not true at all.
 

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Not true at all.

GEORGIA CRIMINAL JURY INSTRUCTIONS (G.C.J.I. 2003)
GA 3.02.10 Justification; Use of Force in Defense of Self or Others
A person is justified in threatening or using force against another person when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himselfYherself or a third person against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if that person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself/herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

O.C.G.A. §16-3-21

The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified.

State v. Shepperd, 253 Ga. 321 (1984) Bishop v. State, 271 Ga. 291 (1999) (Give the following only as appropriate.)

A person is not justified in using force, if that person

a) initially provokes the use of force against himself7herself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; or
b) is attempting to commit, is committing, or is fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony (define arguable felony); or
c) was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates his/her intent to withdraw to the other person, and the other person still continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.


 

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You are wrong, again. You, like dipshitZit, are in over your head.

Not to get into semantics but the Georgia state statute and what you originally posted about self defense aren't exactly the same thing. So, if you want to say you're right like always that's cool.
 

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Not to get into semantics but the Georgia state statute and what you originally posted about self defense aren't exactly the same thing. So, if you want to say you're right like always that's cool.

Actually, I am exactly right. So, yeah, it's cool.
 

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Actually, I am exactly right. So, yeah, it's cool.

Like always.

I think the shooter should be charged so that's what matters and unless there was a plan with the other two guys to hurt/kill this guy, they should walk but I don't know all the details about that part yet.
 

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Self defense is an absolute justification - meaning you were acting lawfully - you get patted on the back and everyone apologizes to you and says they are so sorry - I doubt that would apply here - all of these circumstances are excuses or mitigating factors that lowers ur crime or punishment

all the prosecutor's have is the video - which does not help - they need this third guy to flip and be a star witness - without that Junior is ordering Fireballs at that local pub in a year
 

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Self defense is an absolute justification - meaning you were acting lawfully - you get patted on the back and everyone apologizes to you and says they are so sorry - I doubt that would apply here - all of these circumstances are excuses or mitigating factors that lowers ur crime or punishment

You have it backwards. Self-defense means that you broke the law, but the circumstances allowed you to break the law.

Junior broke the law when he shot Arbery. Therefore, he is charged with murder. If he wants to claim self-defense, he is going to have to meet Georgia's requirements which are outlined in the jury instruction I posted above.
 

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all the prosecutor's have is the video - which does not help - they need this third guy to flip and be a star witness - without that Junior is ordering Fireballs at that local pub in a year

And, you have to identify the issues and stay laser-focused on the issues.

Issue #1 is if Junior and Senior and Dash-cam Man were even allowed to chase Arbery and attempt a citizen's arrest. My understanding is that they would have had to witness a felony in order to do so, and the evidence so far indicates Arbery only committed a misdemeanor. I believe that is the basis for the "Criminal Attempt to Commit False Imprisonment."

Issue #2 would be the self-defense argument. I don't think it applies as stated above. Junior shot and killed Arbery. He wasn't allowed to chase him, and he isn't allowed to claim self-defense. He is likely getting convicted.
 

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