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Stupid Americans?

Good to know that you're so smart that you can predict the score if games that never happened. You learn that in Europe?
 

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Big 10 teams are built to run and stop the run when the weather gets cold. All your techniques are different all year. And top QB's do not want to go there, they want to play in warm weather where they can pass all year and the receivers can catch the ball with their finger tips.
So come bowl time, the open offenses from the warm weather teams prevail in the warm weather and dome bowls.
I am happy for Penn State but they have no chance against USC. It will be a track meet not a slug fest. If plodding Wisconsin put up 31 on them in the dome, USC will put up 47-50.
 

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The reality is that with 25 scholarships per team, per year parody will increase over time throughout D1 football with the crazy exception of Alabama....and they will hiccup in the future when Sabin gets bored of winning all the time.
 

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The Bowl committee will never get it right. Every year there is going to be a team that should not be there and a team that is not there and should be. They are not going to be able to please everybody.
 

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The Bowl committee will never get it right. Every year there is going to be a team that should not be there and a team that is not there and should be. They are not going to be able to please everybody.

They should have an 8 team playoff, yes I realize the wear and tear on the players and travel problems would be an issue. But it would legitimize the whole goddam thing. The bowl season is getting ridiculous.
And the non power 5 conferences should have a playoff, too, AA, MWC, CUSA, Sun, MAC... that would be interesting since they have NO shot at getting into the playoffs now and very little chance at getting into the prime bowl games.

This yr based on conference championships, W-L record, strength of schedule (with emphasis on non conference games), power ratings, last 5-6 game success, accounting for injuries, etc:

Bama
Clemson
Oklahoma
Penn St
Washington
USC
Ohio St
Temple*

I know you can still make an argument for *Wisconsin, *Michigan, *Ok St, *Boise, *SD St, *Fla St... but IMO it would legitimize the whole thing and make the bowls meaningful and interesting.

And, who gives a shit about BC/MD, eliminate 1/3 of the bowls, too!
 

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I think an 8 team playoff would be better than what they have now. The only problem with that would be the 8th spot. I believe you would have a big debate about who should be the last team to get in.
 

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AGREE!!! They should win the Rose Bowl, Go Lions!!!

Also, Thank You CLEMSON.

Clemson will be National Champions +230 ML
 

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controversy and debate has been and always will be a debate in college football. It's part of the fun but I really don't want an 8 game playoff. 4 teams is perfect, it allows for debate and keeps the regular season as important. If there was an 8 game playoff there could have been 4 big ten teams in, which is awful. There will always be debate over who should get in and whatnot. There are 68 teams in the Cbb tournament and there is still debate about snubs, 4 is just fine.
 

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Just like I said, they will not please everybody and they never will. Let the debates continue.
 

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Pitt should be National Champion when Clemson beats Alabama.
 
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The committee has actually gotten it right every year. The top 4 were the same as the BCS rankings would have had them. The only difference was between the 2 and 3 seed I believe last year and maybe this year.
By some of you peoples logic we may as well not even play any NFL games and just give the Cheatriots the super bowl now. No wait, Buffalo beat them AND SHUT THEM OUT so they get it. Wait, but the Jets beat them so they should get it. Hold on, the Cardinals beat the Jets so let's crown them. No, no, no, the Chargers get the super bowl, they beat the Cardinals. Well, it's official, the Browns are Super Bowl Champs this year. No need to play the games. They beat the team that beat the team that beat the team that beat the team that beat the Cheatriots. Yep, SB LI winners, the Cleveland Browns!
 

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it was a fluke PSU beat TOSU and it was a fluke TOSU lost only 1 Game neither should of been in the playoffs :toast:
 

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My rational isn't that because we beat osu and osu got killed that we should have been in....I just believe that at the end of the season pennn state was one of the 4 best teams in the country ....

and as for Franklin, the only penn state fans that wanted him fired are ones that have no idea what is going on....I am a die hard psu fan, I've forgotten more about penn state football than probably anyone on this board knows ....Franklin was never on the hot seat this year, in fact, the seat wasn't even warm.....next year is the year that he needed to start winning and 2018 was going to be the final nail in coffin if he wasn't competing for championships...that is FACT....and came straight from a few very large donors mouths along with people very high up in the athletic department.....yes the sanctions are gone so everyone wants the excuses that go along with it gone too, but fact is, the oline and depth issues are still a major and lingering effect of the sanctions...it is what it is....next year won't be nearly as bad but it will still linger...2018 we should be at full strength and away from any effects of the sanctions....

And the betting thing, I rarely bet on psu games because I have too much vested in them emotionally to put money on them too, unless I see value. I will have a small play on the money line tomorrow but only small because I see value but I don't know if it's from my heart or head lolololol...
im a homer and will admit as much...however I think I have valuable discussions and can point out faults in my team as much as I can point out positives

You guys are lucky your program wasn't given death penalty for running a child molesting factory condoned by everyone from the president to that dead, greasy, little scumbag joe pa. Be happy they got to play any bowl game at all. Anyone who roots for penn st is a piece of shit.
 

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For the Penn St backers using the "head to head" card, PSU and Michigan both have 2 losses and Michigan wiped out PSU in the head to head game why doesn't that work for the Wolverines?

Michigan didnt win the conference championship. PennSt did.

It's the utter hypocrisy of the NCAA (and ESPN and especially Kirk Herbstreit) to first say "you have to win your conf championship to be eligible" one year....then another year say "take the best 4 teams". and OhioSt still wasnt one of the top 4 teams but they got into the final 4 because

a) Urban
b) B1G
c) 1 loss
d) ESPN
e) the "win" over Michigan that the refs completely and totally gave them
 

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You guys are lucky your program wasn't given death penalty for running a child molesting factory condoned by everyone from the president to that dead, greasy, little scumbag joe pa. Be happy they got to play any bowl game at all. Anyone who roots for penn st is a piece of shit.
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and please get 8 teams into the playoff. There were easily 5 or 6 teams deserving of getting to the playoffs this year.

5 teams from the big5 conference championships...it would be good if these teams made the top 15 or top 20 of some magical formula (like RPI) to be eligible.
3 at large team that the committee picks

so we still have a committee. they get to pick 3 at large. they still get to seed/place the teams. that way these people get paid and we get more college football.....
 

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Michigan didnt win the conference championship. PennSt did.

It's the utter hypocrisy of the NCAA (and ESPN and especially Kirk Herbstreit) to first say "you have to win your conf championship to be eligible" one year....then another year say "take the best 4 teams". and OhioSt still wasnt one of the top 4 teams but they got into the final 4 because

a) Urban
b) B1G
c) 1 loss
d) ESPN
e) the "win" over Michigan that the refs completely and totally gave them

WOW, well said. The first guy that actually sees right through Kirky H, who was missing at half time, faking a heart condition, because he was calling his bookie to double down on OHIO and Clemson set him straight.
 

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The 2 best teams in country are playing for title. What more do you want?
 

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The 2 best teams in country are playing for title. What more do you want?

Respectfully, we do not know that. Maybe.
USC or Penn State might be the best right now, whoever wins the Rose Bowl has a good argument.
Or Oklahoma. They elected to play a strong non conference schedule and paid the price.
Or some others.
I agree Bama and Clemson are in the category of possibly the 2 best teams, especially undefeated Bama who played a top notch schedule.... but I wonder.
They need to go to 8 teams even though there are issues with player wear and tear and fan travel. This is too boring with good teams playing games they really do not want to play. There are so many other teams that coulda shoulda woulda been competitive (especially Oklahoma, USC, Michigan, Temple, then possibly Fla St, Ok St, maybe SD St, Colorado (well if their QB was healthy), Boise...
 

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