Never can understand why people bitch about CEOs getting paid so much?

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They are the boss. They most likely helped create the business. They deserve more pay.
 

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Of course they deserve more pay then everyone else since they are the boss

But not the millions and millions more than everyone else.

Most of them are pretty clueless, ever seen the show undercover boss?
 

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Of course they deserve more pay then everyone else since they are the boss

But not the millions and millions more than everyone else.

Most of them are pretty clueless, ever seen the show undercover boss?

This is the part I don't get. Why not millions and millions? It's their company. They can get paid what they want.
 

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Problem isn't in the pay. It's the incentive. I'm sure there are much more intelligent posters than me that will take the time to explain.
 

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This is the part I don't get. Why not millions and millions? It's their company. They can get paid what they want.

In some cases they may be the owner but most of the time the ceo is not the owner of the company unless it is a small private firm
 

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In some cases they may be the owner but most of the time the ceo is not the owner of the company unless it is a small private firm

I mean, owner, CEO, either way. Why is it anyone's business to tell the company what they should be earning?
 

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Problem isn't in the pay. It's the incentive. I'm sure there are much more intelligent posters than me that will take the time to explain.

The rise of activist investors is a very good trend for the most part. Much tougher for bad CEOs to continue to run a company with complacency or incompetency.
 

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The rise of activist investors is a very good trend for the most part. Much tougher for bad CEOs to continue to run a company with complacency or incompetency.

Not sure I agree with this. Changing the ceo incentive plan fundamentally changed big business in america. It's not about whats best for the business. It's what best for the shareholders.
 

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businesses exist for the benefit of shareholders (i.e. to create value for them)
shareholders elect the Board of Directors
the Board of Directors sets CEO pay
 

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Not sure I agree with this. Changing the ceo incentive plan fundamentally changed big business in america. It's not about whats best for the business. It's what best for the shareholders.

Most activism advocating for shareholders is to improve operations though.

It provides clear checks and balances that weren't in place before. It isn't always perfect but on average companies with activist investors tend to do significantly better after they take a position. Most of the time they take positions in companies that clearly need to make changes but are too stupid to figure that out themselves. More rights for shareholders the better.....

As far as what's best for business/shareholders, that was happening a long time before activism tookoff. Companies being too short-term oriented just a sign of the time "instant everything" times we live in.
 

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i think activists can be good at times as long as they arent too short sighted
there are some complacent, long tenured Boards out there that need a kick in the ass by an activist
 

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i think activists can be good at times as long as they arent too short sighted
there are some complacent, long tenured Boards out there that need a kick in the ass by an activist

Most board members really don't know shit. They just sit for the prestige and are fine with the status quo as long as the company is humming along.

People can find hedge fund managers obnoxious but they do know the ins and outs of many of these industries.
 

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It's a little silly to bring someone in to be CEO, the company declines as well as the stock price, then 4 years later he's out and has banked $100 mil. Of course anyone living in the real world with bills is going to question that. Probably a lot more corruption than we'll ever know about why people get those jobs too.
 

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It's a little silly to bring someone in to be CEO, the company declines as well as the stock price, then 4 years later he's out and has banked $100 mil. Of course anyone living in the real world with bills is going to question that. Probably a lot more corruption than we'll ever know about why people get those jobs too.

Great post
 

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Yes there are some bad CEOs but if they have support of the board then shareholders pretty much have no power. This is where activism comes in to give shareholders more power.

You can say it potentially gives them too much power and stifles long-term thinking but most research shows it improves business operations.
 

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A more silly idea is the fact that people spend 100K to go to a university and major in business. That PhD academics that have never managed a lemonade stand are somehow business experts that are going to help people get business savvy. I have a business degree and I really don't have the slightest idea about what it was that I was supposed to have learned when I was there. Maybe if I had majored in accounting I would have gotten a specialized trade, but a business degree is a complete joke. College in general is going to be priced out of relevance in the coming years, unless you are going to be a doctor or lawyer.
 

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yeah if Nike can find more kids to make their shoes and apparel cheaper they could pocket even more money guess it is kind of a great model :ohno:
 

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A more silly idea is the fact that people spend 100K to go to a university and major in business. That PhD academics that have never managed a lemonade stand are somehow business experts that are going to help people get business savvy. I have a business degree and I really don't have the slightest idea about what it was that I was supposed to have learned when I was there. Maybe if I had majored in accounting I would have gotten a specialized trade, but a business degree is a complete joke. College in general is going to be priced out of relevance in the coming years, unless you are going to be a doctor or lawyer.

Don't agree at all.
 

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