Nephew arrested and charged with 2nd degree rape....

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I thought the military was turning people away or that there was like a 9 month wait just to join.

I'd rather spend the rest of my life outside the country than risk spending 5+ years in prison.

This is true. We, in the AF are actually kicking people out each year to get our numbers down.
 

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I think you are correct. Today's military is supposed to be all HS grads. I wouldn't want to be in ( way too old at 48) with a bunch of guys that are there instead of being in prison....you need to rely on these guys in combat like they were your brother.

I respect our military....they do good work.

Not necessarily true Doug but it depends on the service. The Army will take kids with GEDs. Now, some people have been arrested for various things before they join and in that case you may need to get a waiver and the case may have to undergo independent review depending on the situation.
 

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Incubus good info.....Zeeman u arent from the Ottawa/Streator Illinois area are you??
 

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I think my idiot nephew admitted to the detective (without consult from his attorney) that he did this....otherwise Id think he could just deny it
 

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Incubus good info.....Zeeman u arent from the Ottawa/Streator Illinois area are you??


No, I'm from the near north suburbs, grew up in Niles, now live in Buffalo Grove.

Sorry to hear about your nephews legal problems. Hopefully things will workout.
 

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19 years old and was with a 15 year old that said she was a senior and 17 years old. Mom found out from her therapist and pressed charges...now facing 1-15 years in prison...girl in and out of mental institutions, anyone know of anyone in a similar spot before? My nephew isnt a bad kid but is kind of a dead beat ie no job, no career but no criminal record either...my sister, his mom, is beside herself...anyone with any info would be appreciated..thx

Ed

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I think my idiot nephew admitted to the detective (without consult from his attorney) that he did this....otherwise Id think he could just deny it

Why lie about something that happened?

If he's truly innocent and didn't know of age, a good lawyer will prove that she did everything within her power to deceive your nephew of her actual age.

Lying just makes you look guilty. So why lie if your truly innocent.
 

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according to the statute hes not innocent....if I knew it was between lying and 15 years in prison, Id lie everytime
 

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Just get a good lawyer.. If the girl wont testify or will say it was consensual then the D.A. does not want to go to trial. Easiest plea deal you could hope for. They will let him plead to something 1 notch below a sex-crime in nothing flat...
 

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So what exactly might one plea to instead of this rape charge ?

I have a problem figuring what the lesser ( misdemeanor ? ) charge might be ?

It is unwise to screw with 15 year old girls....unless you are like 14-17, IMO !

However it is inappropriate to ruin this young man's life with a rape charge. It's not like he abducted her , she did it willingly. the girl may have even been more sexually experienced than the guy.

There should be a better way than just saying 16 is the magic number. A girl could be a day short of 16, that's rape, but if she were two days older it's then fine ?

Tossing this guy in prison is not called for..... if everything is factual.
 

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Good lawyer and reasonable DA and you probably plead to something like corrupting a minor or disorderly conduct or whatever. Shitty DA or bad lawyer and get out the lube.
 

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I agree Sean ! This is the time when you you need the best lawyer you can get ! This is major stuff not some misdemeanor charge.

I would hope they don't want to send teenage boys to prison for just having sex.

What if the girl was 19 and the boy was 15, is that rape ? I don't think I've ever heard of a case like that.

Some common sense needs to be applied here, but you have to respect the law as written or it may bite you. If I were 19 ,I'd make damn sure the girl was 16,17,18 or whatever was legal in my area.

To me rape is like physically overpowering a woman to have sex she doesn't want. I don't see how that would even be pleasurable.

Some photos of this girl would be nice, but I'm sure that is not possible.
 

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Get a good lawyer, and it will be expensive. I wouldn't plea to anything if I was him. This type of charge will stick with him forever as he more than likely will have to register as a sex offender.

I've seen plenty of these cases go to the Grand Jury where they were then no-billed. I'm not sure of the circumstances involving this case, but he better take it very seriously. As mentioned, it doesn't matter what the girl said, she cannot consent to sex.

This type of law really should be looked at on a case by case basis imo. You could go to any high school and arrest multiple kids. How many seniors in high school are sleeping with freshman?
 

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It sounds like the mother has failed her daughter over and over and drove her to mental instability. Instead of addressing the relationship issues with her daughter that drove her to seek counseling and multiple stints in mental institutions, the mother wants to use your nephew as a scapegoat and say the sexual relationship she entered with a slightly older gentleman is the reason for her daughters issues. I am sure the mother is pampering her daughter right now and the daughter is going to play along with the witch hunt because of the attention she is getting.
 

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It sounds like the mother has failed her daughter over and over and drove her to mental instability. Instead of addressing the relationship issues with her daughter that drove her to seek counseling and multiple stints in mental institutions, the mother wants to use your nephew as a scapegoat and say the sexual relationship she entered with a slightly older gentleman is the reason for her daughters issues. I am sure the mother is pampering her daughter right now and the daughter is going to play along with the witch hunt because of the attention she is getting.

How is the nephew a scapegoat? Will his defense be "well, her mother was mean to her so that caused me to fuck her." That sounds like the defense killers use at trial. They say "my daddy spanked me" growing up so it caused me to kill 8 people.
 

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why not post this here? Its about my nephew and this board is full of people with a wealth of knowledge and experience....im not posting my name or nephews name.


this shit does not belong on a sports forum.this is stuff that should be left personal and in the home
 

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Get a good lawyer, and it will be expensive. I wouldn't plea to anything if I was him. This type of charge will stick with him forever as he more than likely will have to register as a sex offender.

I've seen plenty of these cases go to the Grand Jury where they were then no-billed. I'm not sure of the circumstances involving this case, but he better take it very seriously. As mentioned, it doesn't matter what the girl said, she cannot consent to sex.

This type of law really should be looked at on a case by case basis imo. You could go to any high school and arrest multiple kids. How many seniors in high school are sleeping with freshman?



that's kind of a 17 0n 14 type of thing. I'd also think that a senior would prefer someone from his own class. definetly not cool to be 17-18 in HS and dating some 9th grader.

In fact when you are young like say 18-25....it would be very cool to have a G/F that was older...like 25-35....once you're 40 you want the girl to be closer to 20, though !
 

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Under Oklahoma law, sexual intercourse with a person considered legally unable to consent is considered statutory rape.


Oklahoma statutes include the following as unable to give legal consent:
  • Those under the age of 16


  • Bingo. Unfortunately, this is black and white. The girl is 15. She may have lied about her age, but the prosecution can still turn it around on your nephew for not ID'ing her (who the hell would do that, I know). But if he actually admitted to sleeping with her, both parties saying its consensual or not doesn't matter. She's 15. That number gets a conviction.
 

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I'd like to know the history of this girl a bit more. How many guys have boned her, that type of stuff. She sounds like she was an easy lay perhaps ?

any 15 year old girl that is getting boned is sort of a slut, IMO.

I doubt she was a virgin.
 

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How is the nephew a scapegoat? Will his defense be "well, her mother was mean to her so that caused me to fuck her." That sounds like the defense killers use at trial. They say "my daddy spanked me" growing up so it caused me to kill 8 people.

Haven't you ever dealt with those type of parents who have kids that get into all sorts of trouble and do alcohol and drugs and have sex and instead of looking in the mirror and realize that they didn't do as good as a job raising their kids as they should have they like to blame the behavior of their child on somebody elses child by saying your child is getting my kid into trouble.

I hate parents like that. Their kids end up worse in the long run and grow up to be rotten adults or full time losers because their parents never taught their children to take responsibility for their actions.
 

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