Tony Perez overrated?
Reggie 21 seasons 89 runs, hits 148, HR's 32, RBI 98, BA .262 Slg. .490 with 5 rings.
Both deserved Hall of Famers and overrated is an opinion..Who would you rather have?
I didn't say Reggie was overrated just very interesting someone would suggest it. Comparing the two: Perez 23 seasons 162 gm. avg... runs 74, hits 159, HR's 22, RBI 96, BA .279. Slg. .463 with 3 rings.
Reggie 21 seasons 89 runs, hits 148, HR's 32, RBI 98, BA .262 Slg. .490 with 5 rings.
Both deserved Hall of Famers and overrated is an opinion..Who would you rather have?
Being overrated or underrated has very little to do with how good or bad a player is and most everything to do with how others percieve him. Seaver's won-loss record compared to the teams he was on was far better than Ryan's. In addition to the strikeouts, he was also so far ahead of everyone else in walks. Jenkins pitched on pretty poor teams had a higher winning percentage and 1/3 as many walks. And when Ryan played in the Astrodome it was the most pitching friendly park in baseball, while Wrigley was one of the more hitter friendly parks.
The no-hitters are impressive, but only represent seven starts out of 800 or so. I'll take the guy who can put together an entire season as the best on the planet rather than one night. And Palmer had three Cy Young awards compared to zero for Ryan
So I guess is the vast majority of people rate Ryan as lower down the list of all time greats from that generation, then he is rated accurately. If people rate him not only near the very top of his generation, but also all time, then he is easily overrated
If people think of Perez as truly deserving of the Hall-of-Fame, he would be overrated definitely. Dick Allen was better, only reason Perez made the Hall-of-Fame is because of his teammates and personality
Perez also made the Hall-of-Fame simply because Cepeda made it the year before. But Cepeda was picked from the veteran's committee who are idiots. Worst Hall-of-Fame choices from the writers would be Perez, Rice, Hunter and maybe Aparicio
Overrated
2 key name comparison:
1st: Ryan: His won lost % hurt but it is still above .500. He pitched 10 more years than Jenkins and Gibson, 7 more years than Seaver and Palmer, and 6 more than Randy Johnson. Only Palmer and Gibson excelled in Post Season.
2nd: Perez played 23 years. Dick Allen played 15 yrs.
2 key name comparison:
1st: Ryan: His won lost % hurt but it is still above .500. He pitched 10 more years than Jenkins and Gibson, 7 more years than Seaver and Palmer, and 6 more than Randy Johnson. Only Palmer and Gibson excelled in Post Season.
2nd: Perez played 23 years. Dick Allen played 15 yrs.
So why is longevity what makes Ripken overrated, but what also that Ryan cannot be overrated?
I am starting to think most people think overrated means not very good. That has nothing to do with it. Just because Jose Canseco did not have a great career, if everyone realizes that, it means he is not overrated (not really sure what the public perception is on him, though). When so few people have even heard of Bam Bam Meulens, hard to see him as overrated. If people think Ryan was better than Seaver or Gibson just because he pitched longer and had more strikeouts and no-hitters and Advil commercials, he absolutely is overrated
Don't get me started about Don Mattingly. He lived up to his nickname of Donnie baseball. The only problem Mattingly has was playing on bad Yankee teams. Comparison: Puckett 12 yrs. avg. 209 hits per season, .318 avg., 99 RBI, 97 runs, 6 gold gloves. Mattingly 14 yrs. 195 hits per, .307 avg., 100 RBI, 97 runs, 9 gold gloves. There was no one smoother at first base than Mattingly. Do I have to say more??
I notice you did not include is HR average per year. 222 career HR's in 14ys comes to 16 (15.85) per year. Pretty pedestrian for a positon that is known for power hitters.
As I said, he had three or four great years. Let's remove them and see what the numbers look like:
10 yrs 131 hits per, .291 AVG, 10.3 HR's, 61 RBI.
This guy is no where near being an HOF'er but he received so much hype as the next great thing. IMO, he was nowhere close.
