MANNY has been traded

[texansfan]

My point was that they should have kept him until the end of the season. He hasn't been liked by Red Sox management for quite some time now. Bay is not Manny offensively and never will be imo. I'm pretty sure they weren't going to keep Manny after this season anyway.

Bottom line is that the Red Sox and Yankees fell that much further behind the Angels.

 

[honzie]

IMHO The Red Sox are better off getting rid of a player that was everything you don't want in a leader or even the last man on your bench. He was and will continue to be a detriment in the clubhouse and everywhere else in LA.

History sometimes, as many know repeats itself, Boston dumped Nomar Garciaparra on July 31st 2004 to the Chicago Cubs, they received Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz in return and won the World Series that fall. Omar was not even close to the negative influence Manny has turned into this summer.

I am not predicting Boston will win the WS again this season (although anything could happen) but Boston ownership bit the bullet and did what they had to do. In the end, Manny had few friends in his own clubhouse and much of the fan base had turned against him. Which should come as no surprise when you see him use 5 seconds to run out grounders, stand there in a cruical game and take three straight called strikes to end a one run run game with the tieing run on third against Mariano Rivera as a pinch hitter because it was his day off.

Throwing the 64 year old team traveling secretary Jack McKormack to the ground when his request at the last minute for an impossible to find number of tickets at a sold out ballpark was not granted. Slapping fellow player Kevin Youkilis in the dugout for being upset after he made an out. However the worst sin of all is to not give your best effort on the field of play when the other 24 guys around you are giving theirs.

Who is going to miss his mystery injuries and lame excuses for not playing, Terry Francona won't - I know that for sure. Natrually losing his bat will hurt but Boston on the field but this is a great franchise that has a fan base second to none and they will carry on, just like they did post Nomar and post Pedro, post Clemens etc etc..

As a baseball fan for over 50 years (not just a Red Sox fan) to me Manny's way of behaving on and off the baseball field this summer has been an insult most importantly to the game itself, followed by the fans both for or against him. His antics have also been an insult to the 1,000 or so other major league ballplayers that play the game with hustle and pride game in and game out currently on big league rosters and finally to the tens of thousands of players who came before him in over a century of major league baseball that made the game so great, not to mention possible for players to earn $20M per season as Manny is doing...

If this season is lost for Boston so be it, they will be back with a fine team next year and for years to come. Regardless of what Jason Bay does as a Red Sox, he is a huge improvement over the almost tragic, greedy and finger pointing figure Manny had become. Crying to all that would listen that Boston did not deserve him. Well lets see how Joe Torre and The Dodgers, another great and storied franchise enjoy Manny.

Boston paid dearly to dump Manny but in the end if you ask me it will turn out to be a bargain.


wil.

Wilheim, like a goody-good lemming I am usually in lockstep with you but I have a different view here. All clubhouse politics aside I'm going to miss this guy in a big way. Without getting into it I don't think Manny is at the core of any clubhouse derision... I think it may have more to do with FatCat syndrome and perhaps some players feel Manny is getting too much attention. No proof here, just a gut feeling. Manny is the same guy he was when he first arrived. I'm on board with Schilling half the time but I wonder if he might be the problem here. Why in the world does he come public and spin down on MR? It's true that Manny may not fully get it when they talk of team concept and no double standards or special rules for elite players but this is one guy that you don't want to mess with in that regard. Yeah it sounds simplistic but let Manny be Manny.

Here's the deal: First and foremost I want sports to be Entertaining. Manny was top shelf in that category. There was no other player I wanted to see at the plate under any circumstances in MLB. IF they were getting blown out I would still stay tuned if Manny was at the plate. If they were down by a run late in a game, needless to say i wnat Manny stepping in. If they were beating up on a lesser team I would not switch channel if Manny was batting. I cannot say that about any other member of Bosox or any other player in MLB save for Ichiro.

And I hope RedSox nation screams a collective WTF? when Boston is out of playoffs come OCtober. And yes, the Dodgers will be in and could be favored to be the NL rep in the WS. I'm not getting whacky here, the Dodgers have done this more than once in recent history. GO BLUE!! (Meaning Dodgers and Royals

Manny, you eternal high school junior, I'll miss you and have nothing but love for you and know that you were chiefly responsible in giving the Red Sox that supposed unattainable WS. Thanks for the laughs, excitement, mastery of batting, being the subject of tons of readable sports articles and most of all making baseball fun.

:drink:

 

[festeringZit]

IMHO The Red Sox are better off getting rid of a player that was everything you don't want in a leader or even the last man on your bench. He was and will continue to be a detriment in the clubhouse and everywhere else in LA.

History sometimes, as many know repeats itself, Boston dumped Nomar Garciaparra on July 31st 2004 to the Chicago Cubs, they received Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz in return and won the World Series that fall. Omar was not even close to the negative influence Manny has turned into this summer.

I am not predicting Boston will win the WS again this season (although anything could happen) but Boston ownership bit the bullet and did what they had to do. In the end, Manny had few friends in his own clubhouse and much of the fan base had turned against him. Which should come as no surprise when you see him use 5 seconds to run out grounders, stand there in a cruical game and take three straight called strikes to end a one run run game with the tieing run on third against Mariano Rivera as a pinch hitter because it was his day off.

Throwing the 64 year old team traveling secretary Jack McKormack to the ground when his request at the last minute for an impossible to find number of tickets at a sold out ballpark was not granted. Slapping fellow player Kevin Youkilis in the dugout for being upset after he made an out. However the worst sin of all is to not give your best effort on the field of play when the other 24 guys around you are giving theirs.

Who is going to miss his mystery injuries and lame excuses for not playing, Terry Francona won't - I know that for sure. Natrually losing his bat will hurt but Boston on the field but this is a great franchise that has a fan base second to none and they will carry on, just like they did post Nomar and post Pedro, post Clemens etc etc..

As a baseball fan for over 50 years (not just a Red Sox fan) to me Manny's way of behaving on and off the baseball field this summer has been an insult most importantly to the game itself, followed by the fans both for or against him. His antics have also been an insult to the 1,000 or so other major league ballplayers that play the game with hustle and pride game in and game out currently on big league rosters and finally to the tens of thousands of players who came before him in over a century of major league baseball that made the game so great, not to mention possible for players to earn $20M per season as Manny is doing...

If this season is lost for Boston so be it, they will be back with a fine team next year and for years to come. Regardless of what Jason Bay does as a Red Sox, he is a huge improvement over the almost tragic, greedy and finger pointing figure Manny had become. Crying to all that would listen that Boston did not deserve him. Well lets see how Joe Torre and The Dodgers, another great and storied franchise enjoy Manny.

Boston paid dearly to dump Manny but in the end if you ask me it will turn out to be a bargain.


wil.

Well said.

I agree... Manny and his antics are an insult to the game.

 

[wilheim]

The Anti Manny --- Mickey Mantle.

He played his entire 18-year major-league professional career for the New York Yankees, winning 3 American League MVP titles and playing for 16 All-Star teams. Mantle played on 12 pennant winners and 7 World Championship clubs. He still holds the records for most World Series home runs (18), RBIs (40), runs (42), walks (43), extra-base hits (26), and total bases (123).

All this while playing in pain, beginning in high school he accumulated both acute and chronic bone and cartilage injuries in his legs. Applying thick wraps to both of his knees became a pre-game ritual, and by the end of his career simply swinging a bat caused him to fall to one knee in pain. He played in pain his entire career.

The Mick was voted into Baseball's Hall of Fame on the first ballet of his frist year eligible - 1974.

Career highlights and awards
16x All-Star selection (1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968)
7x World Series champion (1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962)
Gold Glove Award winner (1962)
3x AL MVP (1956, 1957, 1962)
1956 Triple Crown
1965 Hutch Award
New York Yankees #7 retired

Member of the National
Baseball Hall of Fame
Elected 1974
Vote 88.2% (first ballot)

.............

He never once said The Yankees didn't deserve him. So now when I am reminded of Manny who misses games because of hang nails I think of the great Mickey Mantle.

Don't even get me started on the immortal and classy Hammerin Hank Aaron in comparison to Manny.

wil.

 

[FairWarning]

The only thing Manny and Hank have in common is they are in the 500-HR club. The Manny watch in LA will be interesting. He can tear them down just as fast with his attitude.

 

[Fishhead]

Wilheim, like a goody-good lemming I am usually in lockstep with you but I have a different view here. All clubhouse politics aside I'm going to miss this guy in a big way. Without getting into it I don't think Manny is at the core of any clubhouse derision... I think it may have more to do with FatCat syndrome and perhaps some players feel Manny is getting too much attention. No proof here, just a gut feeling. Manny is the same guy he was when he first arrived. I'm on board with Schilling half the time but I wonder if he might be the problem here. Why in the world does he come public and spin down on MR? It's true that Manny may not fully get it when they talk of team concept and no double standards or special rules for elite players but this is one guy that you don't want to mess with in that regard. Yeah it sounds simplistic but let Manny be Manny.

Here's the deal: First and foremost I want sports to be Entertaining. Manny was top shelf in that category. There was no other player I wanted to see at the plate under any circumstances in MLB. IF they were getting blown out I would still stay tuned if Manny was at the plate. If they were down by a run late in a game, needless to say i wnat Manny stepping in. If they were beating up on a lesser team I would not switch channel if Manny was batting. I cannot say that about any other member of Bosox or any other player in MLB save for Ichiro.

And I hope RedSox nation screams a collective WTF? when Boston is out of playoffs come OCtober. And yes, the Dodgers will be in and could be favored to be the NL rep in the WS. I'm not getting whacky here, the Dodgers have done this more than once in recent history. GO BLUE!! (Meaning Dodgers and Royals

Manny, you eternal high school junior, I'll miss you and have nothing but love for you and know that you were chiefly responsible in giving the Red Sox that supposed unattainable WS. Thanks for the laughs, excitement, mastery of batting, being the subject of tons of readable sports articles and most of all making baseball fun.

:drink:

You get it 100%!!

:toast::toast:

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Wil....you know both of us would be happy to get to first base in under 5 seconds....

What about Jimmy Piersall who ran the bases backwards after a home run...

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

I equate this trade to the time when Richie Allen was traded out of Philly when I was a kid...he led Philly back to respectability and was run out of town shortly after....

 

[Fishhead]

I equate this trade to the time when Richie Allen was traded out of Philly when I was a kid...he led Philly back to respectability and was run out of town shortly after....

Good memory.....great hitter.

By the way, Manny has a a couple beers in a bar and misses a game that he was unable to play because of an actual injury and he gets absolutely crucified by the media and some fans........meanwhile, Mickey Mantle is out drinking every night killing himself and his antics are viewed as being cool.......and don't tell me Mickey never missed a game because of his drinking, because he undoubtedly did, and even if he played, it was not to the level he could have been at.

Hopefully alcoholics across the nation learned what longterm alcohol abuse can do to ones body..........that will be Mickeys greatest legacy in my mind.

 

[wilheim]

Speaking of Dick Allen

First of all before I comment on Allen I want to say IMO Manny brought all of this on himself by his conduct the last few weeks. He has got away with murder (so to speak) for years but his bat always saved him. This year he just went to far. Not to mention he is going on 37 years old now and there are no guarantees when he will lose his great ability to hit a baseball.


Dick "dont call me Richie" Allen was run out of Philly by the fans. He had to wear a batting helmet while playing third base because he led the league in errors twice. One of Dick Allen's most infuriating moments to fans was on June 24, 1969. Allen was fined $2,500 and suspended indefinitely when he failed to appear for the Phillies twi-night doubleheader game with the Mets. Allen had gone to New Jersey in the morning to see a horse race and got caught in traffic trying to return.

His best year as a Philie may have been his first when he led the league in runs (125), triples (13), extra base hits (80) and total bases (352) - he finished in the top five in batting average (.318), slugging average (.557), hits (201), and doubles (38), and easily was named Rookie of the Year.

Unfortunately for all of Philadelphia that was the year the Phils blew a 6.5 game lead with 12 games to play to the St Loius Cards and blew what appeared to be a sure place in the World Series for Allen (who never did make it) against The New York Yankees.

No one blamed Allen who was red hot until the season ended but Gene Mauch took almost all of the criticism for the way he used his pitching staff., which is another story.


After the 69 season Allen demanded a trade out of Philly and was given one. He eventually ended up with the Chicago White Sox in the AL after cups of coffee with the Cards and the LA Dodgers who traded him for lefty Tommy John of the White Sox.

The now called Dick Allen by everyone flourished under the tutelege of manager Chuck Tanner who said you are my regular 1st baseman - period. That allowed Allen to not worry about defense so much and concentrate on what he did best - hit the baseball. He hit it so good he was named AL MVP in 1972 and actually saved the White Sox franchise which was rumored to be moving to the then vacant baseball cities of Seattle and Milwaukee.

Unfortunately with a very optimistic outlook on the horizon for 1973 Allen broke his leg in a June basebath collision with Mike Epstein of the A's. He tried to come back five weeks later but could only manage one game before being lost for the season.

Allen left the White Sox with two weeks left in 1974 after a feud with the then playing out his career with the White Sox Ron Santo of crosstown Chicago Cubs fame.

Allen then quit baseball but was talked into trying it again in Philadelphia, where he put in two years of mediocre baseball in 75 and 76 and finally quit baseball in 1977 when the A's tried to make him a DH.

Anyone interested in Dick Allen should read his book "Crash, TheLife and Times of Dick Allen" probably still available on Amazon in used form.

Dick Allen was never the problem player Manny is, his two most prominent managers Gene Mauch and Chuck Tanner later swore he never was any kind of clubhouse lawyer or troublemaker.

According to Tanner, "Dick Allen was the leader of our team, the captain, the manager on the field. He took care of the young kids, took them under his wing. And he played every game as if it was his last day on earth."

You find me anyone who ever said somthing like that about Manny Ramiriz.

Allen ended up with his career with a batting ave of .292 with 351 homers and 1119 RBI. He will never get into the HOF unfortunately.

Jimmy Piersall ran around the bases backwards after hitting his 100th career homer as a Met under Casey Stengel and it infuriated Stengel so much that Piersall was released less than a month later. He played four more undistinguished seasons with the Dodgers before hanging them up.

Jimmy had what is now called a Bi-Polar disorder which many say caused much of his bizarre behaviour on and off the baseball field. A movie about Piersall was made called "Fear Strikes Out" unfortunately Jim was badly miscast by the very unatheletic but otherwise fine actor Anthony Perkins.




wil.

 

[wilheim]

Mickey Mantle Monument. "A Great Teammate"..

In 1932, the Yankees placed a monument to manager Miller Huggins in the spacious center field that originally measured 490 feet. As the years went by, additional shrines were added to "Monument Park," which was in play in center field's "Death Alley". The 1973 rennovation resulted in the park being out of play, located 450 feet from home plate behind the left-center field fence.

Monuments, rather than plaques, are only awawrded to the greatest of the greats, and then only after their deaths.

--------------------------------------------------------
Mickey Mantle
"A Great Teammate"
1931 - 1995

536 Home Runs
Winner of Tripe Crown 1956
Most World Series Homers 18
Selected to All Star Game 20 times
Won MVP Award 1956, 1957 + 1962
Elected to Hall of Fame 1974

A magnificent Yankee who left a legacy of unequaled courage

Dedicated by the New York Yankees
August 25, 1996


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Manny should have one just like it someday.:nono5:


wil.
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[FairWarning]

Even if Manny does well this year, it is far better to let him go a year too early than a year too late. Sox are looking at the big picture here, and it didn't include the brooding Manny.