You gotta dig deep in to revisionist history to make the case that they were fighting for anything but slavery.
Here's just part of two of the Confederates states document of secession from the United States of America...
Lmao, and these RX armchair historians are trying to claim it wasn't about slavery and Confederates were just good guys who didn't want to deal with the government and wanted state rights. Yea effing right. It was 100% about own the black man. And you wonder why people aren't big fans of the Confederate flag and people who support them. An Army that killed 300k+ Americans looking to defend against their attempts to make slavery a right for anyone.
Yea, the Civil War was definitely not about slavery. These are their official documents of secession. Gotta go deep in revisionist history to some how spin this in to something that is righteous.
Mississippi
"It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better. "
Mississippi
"It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better. "
Then you deal with your desire for others not to be happy, I mean I don't get it, yes 2 dudes kissing it's not a nice view but it doesn't affect me whatsoever... We already have shit in our lives that affects us directly, no need to worry about something so trivial (and unavoidable) as gays marrying each other... Things you can't change or control don't deserve any head space.
People who are against same sex marriage are usually in favor of war and the military machine. There is nothing more obscene than war, yet we worry about people loving each other.
Well, that's where you and others disagree (not me as I'm not a religious guy). I mean, others such as FZ, feel it's one of the worst sins imaginable and when they see it out in public in front of their kids, they have a problem with it.
Nothing more obscene than war? Huh, ok. How about the rape and murder of a child?
Yea, the South was definitely not a bunch of racists fighting to keep blacks as their property, lol. And you wonder why people consider those who wave around this flag to be racists and bigots. Just look at Texas' secession document. Their official document proclaiming their intention of seceding from the United States of America and why they were doing so. Definitely don't sound like a bunch of racists to me...
"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.
By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments. They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights. "
Yikes!!! Texas even went as far as saying equality between blacks and whites is at war with nature and a violation of "Divine Law", lmao. Yea, definitely just good dudes looking to protect their land from the federal government.
"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.
By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments. They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights. "
Yikes!!! Texas even went as far as saying equality between blacks and whites is at war with nature and a violation of "Divine Law", lmao. Yea, definitely just good dudes looking to protect their land from the federal government.
Thousands of Southern Patriots fought and died under that banner we identify as the Confederate Battle Flag. More men died for that blood stained banner than all the men who died in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam combined. And, you know what? Many of them were Black Southern Patriots, defending a free nation they firmly believed would one day offer them freedom and bring them into the bosom of the greatest Christian society every built.
Lol, yea... I'm sure black people appreciate the effort of other blacks to continue their ownership by the white man. That makes their effort all for good, I guess, lol. The effort one has to go through to avoid being a racist in protecting the Confederate flag is astonishing. The Confederates killed 300k+ real Americans who fought for the United States of America. They are the biggest traitors in the history of the United States. This is why Roof loved the Confederate flag, it represents to him exactly what the rest of America thinks it represents to people who support it. Which is why it's coming down and most likely going to end up being removed from any official capacity at the public level.
http://m.snopes.com/clinton-gore-92-confederate/
Is this what you are referring to? Pins that weren't authorized by the campaign or worn by clinton? Seems a lot different than him wearing it but why let something as trivial as facts get in the way of a baseless claim.
As many black soldiers fought for the south as did for the north, & those did were dedicated to the cause.
The individual accounts are instructive in revealing the motivation of black Southern soldiers:
Dawson Pugh was captured by the Yankees in March, 1863, escaped, and returned to his owner and master, Lt. Frank Pugh (TCMPA No. 192).
Clay Hickerson was captured and when the Yankees tried to take him North, he refused to go and returned to his owner, who told him he was free anyway (TCMP No. 79).
In the spring of 1865, Dave Burns was captured along with “most of my company.” He escaped and returned to his “old master” (TCMP No. 123).
Henry Church returned to the army by himself after leaving his wounded master at home (TCMP No. 19).
George Washington Yancey was captured with the Georgia militia, escaped, makes his way through the lines, and returns to his Tennessee infantry unit. Captured again at Missionary Ridge. He escaped a second time from the Federals, and rejoined his unit at Atlanta. He was captured again at Macon and imprisoned. “I was loyal to the Confederate states,” he asserted, and escaped again, spending the rest of the war foraging for the Confederate troops (TCMP No. 206).
The individual accounts are instructive in revealing the motivation of black Southern soldiers:
Dawson Pugh was captured by the Yankees in March, 1863, escaped, and returned to his owner and master, Lt. Frank Pugh (TCMPA No. 192).
Clay Hickerson was captured and when the Yankees tried to take him North, he refused to go and returned to his owner, who told him he was free anyway (TCMP No. 79).
In the spring of 1865, Dave Burns was captured along with “most of my company.” He escaped and returned to his “old master” (TCMP No. 123).
Henry Church returned to the army by himself after leaving his wounded master at home (TCMP No. 19).
George Washington Yancey was captured with the Georgia militia, escaped, makes his way through the lines, and returns to his Tennessee infantry unit. Captured again at Missionary Ridge. He escaped a second time from the Federals, and rejoined his unit at Atlanta. He was captured again at Macon and imprisoned. “I was loyal to the Confederate states,” he asserted, and escaped again, spending the rest of the war foraging for the Confederate troops (TCMP No. 206).
Oh please, "dedicated for the cause". Yea effing right, like black people in the South really wanted to fight to keep themselves enslaved to white people. You got to be kidding me. They fought for survival and nothing else. Acting as if blacks were fighting to keep themselves as property is asinine and kind of sick.
It's obvious that your almost tormented by that your fairy tale version of the War is based on so many falsehoods.
How are these blacks victims? How were they “forced” to fight for the South? Imagine a soldier who was forced to fight and was captured by the opposing forces-- under what circumstances would that soldier escape from the “liberators” and make his way back through two lines of armed soldiers, ready to fire at a moment’s notice? To escape back to the very forces who had forced him to fight in the first place, their army unit. This does not strike me as the action of someone who has been forced to fight.
Very astute
So many homophobes (ie...people who are afraid that acknowledging or observing homosexual behavior will somehow infect them or their family members) whinge and whine about "having to see it out in public"
All one needs to do is snap to the Reality that some people are physically attracted to other people and that those people frequently express physical affection.
Getting all fluttered up about those people's gender is a peculiar use of energy
