Good deal for both teams.
Lakers- Got their guy. Didn't see it as mortgaging their future. Thats just one of the terms the TV talking heads like to use. In Ingram and Ball they traded two hugely disappointing high draft picks. Both still have a chance to be good. Ingram has shown flashes for sure. Those flashes looked better then they were only because he was so bad his first two years for a #2 overall pick. Both players disappointments. Hart will be happy to catch on as a role player somewhere, nothing special.
The 4th overall pic is a pretty good asset but the other picks assuming the Lakers are good aren't that valuable.
Pelicans- Assuming they actually like some of the Lakers layers they got, I guess they did alright since Davis was going to leave in a year anyway
Lakers- Got their guy. Didn't see it as mortgaging their future. Thats just one of the terms the TV talking heads like to use. In Ingram and Ball they traded two hugely disappointing high draft picks. Both still have a chance to be good. Ingram has shown flashes for sure. Those flashes looked better then they were only because he was so bad his first two years for a #2 overall pick. Both players disappointments. Hart will be happy to catch on as a role player somewhere, nothing special.
The 4th overall pic is a pretty good asset but the other picks assuming the Lakers are good aren't that valuable.
Pelicans- Assuming they actually like some of the Lakers layers they got, I guess they did alright since Davis was going to leave in a year anyway
Davis will still be a FA at the end of the next season unless the Lakers sign him to a new deal. Let's see the over/under for games played by LeBron and AD next year. Load management will be a factor for, at least, LeBron and Davis has played more that 70 games only twice in seven years. When the Lakers got LeBron this year there was talk of the WC Finals and even a championship. That talk is just as ridiculous for next year. With all of that, Kawhi to the Clippers as a FA makes them a better team than the Lakers today with an old LeBron and AD.
Pelicans got a great deal for a disinterested player that was leaving in a year, anyway. Three viable players (they are young, were top draft picks) and three # 1 draft choices, are you kidding me?
The Lakers could do well if they sign a top FA, but do any of them want to be part of the LeBron circus (some will not, some might)? And, is LeBron, "LeBron" any more? I do not think so.
Lakers might flop again.
We shall see.
The Lakers could do well if they sign a top FA, but do any of them want to be part of the LeBron circus (some will not, some might)? And, is LeBron, "LeBron" any more? I do not think so.
Lakers might flop again.
We shall see.
Haven't seen the official cap space they will have yet but getting Kemba would be a classic mistake of LeBron valuing a name and star rather than team fit. You have AD and LeBron on the team, your 3rd best player doesn't need to be a guy that can create his own shot and score but is limited elsewhere. It's just diminishing returns, similar to Love in CLE.
Butler/Middleton and even Harris is who you go for. Or split the money with 2-4 different roleplayers.
You want size, defensive versatility, switching, guy who can space/score in the flow of the game w/o plays called for him, someone to cover the top perimeter options.
Maybe they just have so much talent they win anyway w/ a Kemba or Kyrie but it is sub-optimal.
Top level (Kemba/Kyrie) now off the table due to the planned timing of the transaction and salary cap restrictions. If you look at the second tier, there are not many Ibaka's, VanVleet's or Siakam's in that bunch (and also no Iggy's, Livingston or Looney's) so I'm not sure how they are going to fill out that roster especially at PG as LeBron can't handle those duties fulltime anymore. The roster they traded away (Lopez, Randle not to mention Russell) would fit into exactly what they need. Pat'sFan is right on approach, but some of those second tier guys are making a move for $$ PLUS to move to the first tier which they will not have the opportunity to do in LA-Bron. If they are lucky, they could get a couple two-way players like Ariza Faried and Patrick Beverly. Terry Rozier or Teague would be a fit at PG and I would consider Millsap or either of the Morris brothers for the front line. Being LA, can't wait for them to announce that Carmelo is coming to town so we can all laugh at them some more. Still think this is a very bad trade for LA both in the short and long term. Jerry West needs to come back and take over there.
Great move by the Lakers. To win a title requires top 5 players, usually teamed up with other guys who are at the very top of the league. Of the six pieces traded, only two had significant value, Ingram and the number four pick. Everything else they gave up, Hart, Ball, expected late first round picks, are easily replaceable. Caring about giving up bench players is stupid, because now most anybody available will want to come to the Lakers.
Over the past 10+ years:
Boston traded seven pieces for Garnett, plus a top five pick for Allen. That led to a title and a very close miss. Boston later traded Garnett and Pierce at age 37 and 35 (Davis is 26) for four first round picks
Lakers trade two first round picks and four players for Gason (a couple years older and not nearly as good as Davis), to team up with Kobe Bryant and win two titles
Cavs trade the number one overall pick give them another star next to James and Irving -- and Davis is definitely better than Love
The Warriors dynasty was built on having up to four guys worth max contracts and two or three of the leagues very best players
Heat needed Wade and Bosh next to James for their titles. Ingram and the #4 pick aren't going be nearly that good
Davis is already a three-time first all-NBA. There is a very real chance he falls apart like Howard or Rose, or that he has already shown us his peak (like Chris Paul). But there is always a far better chance someone remains among the best in the league, as opposed to developing someone like that through the draft. One of the biggest ways this helps the Lakers is by making it so much easier to add the next star they want, or combination of shooters / defenders
Pelicans screwed themselves by not wanting to wait until July when the Celtics could make an offer. Boston has seven first round picks over the next three years, plus Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart all between age 20 and 24. Would have been very easy for New Orleans to have got something better with all of that available. If they were going to make the deal now should have held out for Kouzma, Ingram, and the #4.
Over the past 10+ years:
Boston traded seven pieces for Garnett, plus a top five pick for Allen. That led to a title and a very close miss. Boston later traded Garnett and Pierce at age 37 and 35 (Davis is 26) for four first round picks
Lakers trade two first round picks and four players for Gason (a couple years older and not nearly as good as Davis), to team up with Kobe Bryant and win two titles
Cavs trade the number one overall pick give them another star next to James and Irving -- and Davis is definitely better than Love
The Warriors dynasty was built on having up to four guys worth max contracts and two or three of the leagues very best players
Heat needed Wade and Bosh next to James for their titles. Ingram and the #4 pick aren't going be nearly that good
Davis is already a three-time first all-NBA. There is a very real chance he falls apart like Howard or Rose, or that he has already shown us his peak (like Chris Paul). But there is always a far better chance someone remains among the best in the league, as opposed to developing someone like that through the draft. One of the biggest ways this helps the Lakers is by making it so much easier to add the next star they want, or combination of shooters / defenders
Pelicans screwed themselves by not wanting to wait until July when the Celtics could make an offer. Boston has seven first round picks over the next three years, plus Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart all between age 20 and 24. Would have been very easy for New Orleans to have got something better with all of that available. If they were going to make the deal now should have held out for Kouzma, Ingram, and the #4.
Celts did make offers. They couldnt come close to competing with Lakers offer. The cupboard would’ve been left too bare and then AD leaves anyway. If they deal Brown/Tatum then it’s unlikely he stays.
Only pick they have w/ much value is the Grizzlies top 6 protected 2020 and then unprotected 2021.
