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I will admit the hire was unorthodox, bold, and risky. And there are tons of coaches out there with more experience. But that doesn't mean they would work or be the right fit for what the vision is in AZ.

What's the vision in Arizona?
 

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Wilkes was a bad hire too and most knew he was under qualified when he took the job. If not, they could soon be aware after watching the first four games of the year. I guess when he was hired you could say, "Is it a bad hire if he wins the SB in two years?" and who knows. It was a bad hire when he came on board, it was proven in season one and KK is a bad hire too. It would be like taking a guy like Will Grier with the number one overall pick. You could say is that a bad pick if he wins the SB in two years (kind of a simplistic and unreasonable bar anyway). Even if he does, no one sees Grier as having #1 pick talent or upside...no one was beating down the door fighting to get KK on their NFL staff let alone as HC. He is a reach, he is a bad hire and I wish him well since I am an AZ fan. They should have, at least, offerred Arians twice what he got at TB to come back even though I know he would not return. I would also take Todd Bowles as HC over KK as he did a good job with the team he had. KK's only chance is if he follows the Ram's plan and adds very senior level coordinators and coaches and most of them are already committed. Cards, I'm afraid, will be in the race to the bottom to get Trevor Lawrence.
 

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What's the vision in Arizona?

You would have to ask the GM and owner.

Based on what they have said through the media, they wanted someone who could relate to Josh Rosen, could open up the offense and score points with new ideas and concepts. And pair him with a solid DC who has NFL experience as a successful DC. Beyond media speak, I can't speak for them.
 

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Wilkes was a bad hire too and most knew he was under qualified when he took the job. If not, they could soon be aware after watching the first four games of the year. I guess when he was hired you could say, "Is it a bad hire if he wins the SB in two years?" and who knows. It was a bad hire when he came on board, it was proven in season one and KK is a bad hire too. It would be like taking a guy like Will Grier with the number one overall pick. You could say is that a bad pick if he wins the SB in two years (kind of a simplistic and unreasonable bar anyway). Even if he does, no one sees Grier as having #1 pick talent or upside...no one was beating down the door fighting to get KK on their NFL staff let alone as HC. He is a reach, he is a bad hire and I wish him well since I am an AZ fan. They should have, at least, offerred Arians twice what he got at TB to come back even though I know he would not return. I would also take Todd Bowles as HC over KK as he did a good job with the team he had. KK's only chance is if he follows the Ram's plan and adds very senior level coordinators and coaches and most of them are already committed. Cards, I'm afraid, will be in the race to the bottom to get Trevor Lawrence.

Bad analogy. The NFL draft and reaching for a draft pick is apples/oranges to hiring a coach who you think is a good fit for your organization.

Arizona was not the only team interested in KK. He was high on at least one other team's list as well.

The Cardinals deserve scrutiny for hiring Wilkes. That turned out to be a horrible hire. But as a fan I'm glad they admitted the mistake and moved on from it ASAP.
 

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You would have to ask the GM and owner.

Based on what they have said through the media, they wanted someone who could relate to Josh Rosen, could open up the offense and score points with new ideas and concepts. And pair him with a solid DC who has NFL experience as a successful DC. Beyond media speak, I can't speak for them.

Out of curiosity, do you think KC or the Rams will win the Super Bowl this year with those kinds of offenses?
 

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Out of curiosity, do you think KC or the Rams will win the Super Bowl this year with those kinds of offenses?

I think the Saints are the best team in the NFC. But they are beatable. Of the teams that are left, Id rank them Saints, Rams, Cowboys, Eagles in that order.

The AFC is wide open. I could see any of the four in the Super Bowl. I think the Chargers are the best team from top to bottom in the AFC. But they have to play on the road. Of the teams that are left in the AFC I would rank them Chargers, Chiefs, Patriots, Colts.
 

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I think the Saints are the best team in the NFC. But they are beatable. Of the teams that are left, Id rank them Saints, Rams, Cowboys, Eagles in that order.

The AFC is wide open. I could see any of the four in the Super Bowl. I think the Chargers are the best team from top to bottom in the AFC. But they have to play on the road. Of the teams that are left in the AFC I would rank them Chargers, Chiefs, Patriots, Colts.

I think the Colts and Chiefs are pretty even despite the point spread.
 

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On the surface, sure. But he probably wasn't going to be lured away from USC for a coordinator position.

Look, I'm not necessarily in favor of this. All I'm saying is I will wait and see before reserving judgment. The same people that rip these sorts of bold moves when they happen, are the same people that disappear and never return when they are proven wrong a couple of years later.

I think we might have an example of one of those types right here in this thread.

Perfectly reasonable stance.
You have to know you're arguing with a brick wall though.
 

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I think the Colts and Chiefs are pretty even despite the point spread.

Andrew Luck is playing great right now and the Colts are enfuego (no pun intended).

I bet them +6. Not a whole lot separates those four teams. I do think KC and LAC are the the class of that group though. Despite KC's defensive blemishes.
 

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Andrew Luck is playing great right now and the Colts are enfuego (no pun intended).

I bet them +6. Not a whole lot separates those four teams. I do think KC and LAC are the the class of that group though. Despite KC's defensive blemishes.

Yeah agree.
 

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You would have to ask the GM and owner.

Based on what they have said through the media, they wanted someone who could relate to Josh Rosen, could open up the offense and score points with new ideas and concepts. And pair him with a solid DC who has NFL experience as a successful DC. Beyond media speak, I can't speak for them.


If Kliff is the answer, Rosen blows. I saw it when he played in college. I guess if that is who the Arizona faithful his holding on hope to, Kliff will be a gone before he shows if he has it.
 

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Just heard a sound bite from Cardinals owner Michael Bidwill.

He said in today’s NFL their is a premium on great OC’s and playcallers. He thinks Kingsbury is just that.

By hiring him as head coach, you get a two for one and it prevents another team from plucking your OC away if he has success. I think that reasoning makes a ton of sense. Does it mean he will be successful? Of course not. But that’s the method to the madness.
 

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Having david johnson in a dynasty league was very frustrating this season. basically they tried to run it up the gut 9-10 times and would gain 1-2 yards (oline sucked) and when they ran a sweep or toss to the outside, they would pick up chunk yards (5-7 yards) and then go right back to running up behind the center and get killed. Kirk is a good young wr, I think fitz comes back for another yr or two in a new "fun" offense. David Johnson is an above average pass catcher who was horribly used, especially in an offense the greatly struggled to throw the ball down the field. Johnson should have averaged 6-7 catches a game just due to the fact of how shitty the passing game was. I like for a lot more screens and wheel routes etc from this yr...…. Might even see a qb change if Kliff and the franchise decide they screwed up with rosen. Since they have the #1 pick and could maybe pull off a shocking trade for an AB type player, they could greatly change their franchise in a short window.
 

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Just heard a sound bite from Cardinals owner Michael Bidwill.

He said in today’s NFL their is a premium on great OC’s and playcallers. He thinks Kingsbury is just that.

By hiring him as head coach, you get a two for one and it prevents another team from plucking your OC away if he has success. I think that reasoning makes a ton of sense. Does it mean he will be successful? Of course not. But that’s the method to the madness.

Playing defense and running the football wins Super Bowls. Been that way for years without fail.
 

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Playing defense and running the football wins Super Bowls. Been that way for years without fail.

I'll give you the defense part. As far as that goes, Kingsbury isn't going to coach the defense. A DC with experience will be hired to completely run that side of the ball. So that's a non-issue here.

As to the running the football part, if you think the trends of offense haven't shifted from passing to open the run vs old school run to open the pass, then you have been in a cave the past five + seasons. The game on offense has absolutely changed to a more wide open game. The rule changes have contributed to that. Is a solid run game still important? Sure. But not as important as it used to be.

I heard today on the radio that while at Texas Tech, Kingsbury only passed the ball 55% of the time. Not sure if that was his entire tenure or just last season. If true, a 55/45 pass to run ration this day and age is very reasonable. But that was in college. He will adapt his offensive principles to best fit the NFL game. He's no dummy.
 

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NFL is all about young people innovating the game right now. He was going to be a hot commodity as an oc with how prolific the offense has remained under him at tech. He also got to work with 3 of the top drafted qbs in the last few drafts (mahomes, Mayfield, and manzel) who all had big time careers and two have translated well to the nfl, the third has been derailed by character issues. Agree with the above sentiment, they need to go out and get a big time DC and keep Kliff away from that side of the game. But I think he will be successful in bringing back value to david Johnson and finding ways to put rosen in a position to succeed. They need a wr and some oline help out there desperately.

Good points all.

I would submit that trading D Johnson this offseason would be much more profitable longterm than keeping him. NFL history suggests he has five seasons max of high-end production and more likely just three or four.

It will take them until 2021 or 2022 to be firm shot at more than wild card threat what with a lack of QB and also being in division with current Rams and Seahawks.

They deal him now and they get at least a pair of First Rounders (2019 and a following year)...or maybe a first, second and a legit young OL or DL under age 27. All of which could be paying good dividends in not only 2021 but for another 5+ years thereafter
 

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Having david johnson in a dynasty league was very frustrating this season. basically they tried to run it up the gut 9-10 times and would gain 1-2 yards (oline sucked) and when they ran a sweep or toss to the outside, they would pick up chunk yards (5-7 yards) and then go right back to running up behind the center and get killed. Kirk is a good young wr, I think fitz comes back for another yr or two in a new "fun" offense. David Johnson is an above average pass catcher who was horribly used, especially in an offense the greatly struggled to throw the ball down the field. Johnson should have averaged 6-7 catches a game just due to the fact of how shitty the passing game was. I like for a lot more screens and wheel routes etc from this yr...…. Might even see a qb change if Kliff and the franchise decide they screwed up with rosen. Since they have the #1 pick and could maybe pull off a shocking trade for an AB type player, they could greatly change their franchise in a short window.

The coaching staff last season was a complete disaster. They had no clue. On both sides of the football.

Injuries to the offensive line contributed to the failure on that side of the ball as well. By around mid-season 4/5 of the starting line was on IR.
 

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Previous post should have read *lack of a developed QB*
 

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