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yeah looks like a tough guy that will fight for ya...and chance to be in the picture

just don't see him getting being able to win at 1/4 though....and not value to win if he's 25-1 or less...with his 15-1 ml odds

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on a side note when looking at jackson bend noticed the horse that beat stately victor first out on dirt at toga was the holy bull winner winslow homer that beat jackson bend....anyway just something else to add to the intrigue i have for stately victor....
 

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well haskin all over stately victor hopefully he don't hurt my price too much...LOL

and agrees with me he'll love a slop fest

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Haskin's Derby Report: Victor in the Slop
By Steve Haskin
Updated: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:21 PM
Posted: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:21 P

As if the 136th Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I) isn’t muddled enough, with the defection of heavy favorite Eskendereya and the two new favorites drawing the two worst post positions, now we have to contend with a storm that could be flood-like in intensity.

Slop is the great equalizer in racing and normally gives longshots a better shot. There are several horses in the field who have looked good training in the slop this week, many of whom will be a fairly big price. But there is one over at Trackside that no one has seen train. And that is Stately Victor, who, based on his pedigree, could actually improve off his dominating victory in the Toyota Blue Grass Stakes (gr. I) on Polytrack.

If there is a better bred horse for the slop, we haven’t seen him. His sire, Ghostzapper , earned a spectacular 128 Beyer figure in the slop at Monmouth, winning the Iselin Handicap (gr. III) by 10 3/4 lengths. Ghostzapper’s sire, Awesome Again , was two-for-two in the slop, winning the Jim Dandy (gr. II) by three lengths and a Churchill Downs allowance race by seven lengths. Awesome Again, in addition to Ghostzapper, sired Ginger Punch, who won the Breeders’ Cup Distaff (gr. I) in the slop.

The best, however, is still to come. Stately Victor is inbred top and bottom to perhaps the most influential slop sire in the country, In Reality, through Relaunch and Valid Appeal, two major slop influences. Relaunch sired Waquoit, a 15-length winner of the Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) in the slop.

Stately Victor’s broodmare sire, Dynaformer , sired Barbaro, who won the Holy Bull Stakes (gr. III) in the slop, and Dynaformer is from the His Majesty/Graustark/ Ribot line, one of the most dominant slop families in the last half century. And finally, Stately Victor’s third dam, Cricket Club, is by Dr. Fager, who won the Arlington Classic by 10 lengths in his only appearance in the slop. That effort earned him a “superior” mud mark in the Daily Racing Form.

In his career debut, taken off the turf, Stately Victor finished a fast-closing second to eventual Derby contender Winslow Homer over a track labeled good.

So, make of it as you wish. Stately Victor is a big, powerful colt with a long, sweeping stride, which could compromise him if he gets stopped. But that can apply to most any horse in the Derby. One thing is for sure, and that is, if pedigree means anything, Stately Victor should absolutely relish the slop.

As for the horses who have trained well in the slop at Churchill Downs, the ones who seemed to get over it the best and have the pedigree to handle an off track are Paddy O'Prado, Mission Impazible, Lookin at Lucky, Ice Box, and Super Saver. Another Awesome Again who should have no problem with an off track is Awesome Act, who, for all you RF (Rasmussen Factor) pundits, is inbred on the bottom to the great mare Almahmoud through her two legendary daughters Cosmah and Natalma. So, this is an all-female RF (mare and daughters), which is pretty uncommon.

Mission Impazible is by Unbridled's Song and his dam’s maternal grandsire in Speak John, both of whom should help him a great deal in the slop. Noble’s Promise has a strong slop-oriented tail-female family – all Darby Dan -- that should help him stretch out to 1 1/4 miles.

Sidney's Candy was out on the track at 5:45 Thursday morning and had the best gallop I’ve seen from him. He was asked to pick it up and he responded by rolling around there at quick pace and reaching out with great extension.

Mission Impazible was another who had his best gallop, getting his head down and into the bit and moving with authority.

Slop also should move Dean's Kitten up. His sire, Kitten's Joy , is by El Prado, one of the most versatile stallions in the world, siring grade I winners on dirt and grass, including Medaglia d'Oro (sire of mud-loving Rachel Alexandra), who won the Travers Stakes (gr. I) in the slop.

The two most striking Derby horses on the track this morning were Stately Victor and American Lion, two imposing powerhouses who look spectacular physically. Both are well-dappled on their hind end. The winner of the “show” horse of the Derby is Mission Impazible, with his stately demeanor and chiseled features. He is a classic-looking colt in the truest sense.
 

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tiz i was watching tvg with matty c and frank m and they went over the entire card with the speed figures/timeform/thorograph#'s and the tomlinson# and stately victor only got a 366 and it was one of the lowest #s with the higher being the better....

whats the meaning behind that # and those #'s overall?

oh and fwiw, frank is ALL over the 2 baffet horses his check mark selection is conveyance based on the price but he thinks if lookin at lucky gets a good trip he will gobble him up in the stretch....he said conveyance is gonna "run his race" (which i agree) but he thinks he has the talent to hold them all off, he likes the fact that rule is out and eskenderaya (sp?) is scratched and they might let him go out on his own and might not be able to catch him....any thoughts b/c i know you think he doesnt have a shot....just thought it was interesting b/c he was really really high on the horse, basically threw out his sunland derby effort....
 

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if conveyence gets a sensible to slow pace on a speed friendly sloppy surface to himself i suppose he can do it but only way i see it possible and good luck getting that

stately just one of those horses that is starting to get up to speed i think a late bloomer...plus he had to get over that liver infection

so i don't think his past races show his true potential

and i think he finally put it all together in the bluegrass....and with polyfigs u just never know

like with the fav in the oaks can't think of her name off the top of my head....but she was running low 90 to high 80s on the plastic out in socal....than hits the main track at op and pops a 10?.....

think stately just getting better right now and his gallop out in the BG was monsterous...and like haskin says he has the look of a good one physically...

we shall see...gonna need a trip even if i got the horse...
 

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also if its slow to sensible american lion my other horse should be right on conveyence's tail and finish him at 1/4

will be interesting to see if they scratch out line of david after he worked horribly on the slop this week assuming its a slop fest as it looks like its gonna be

i mean he went fast early but was completely done after about 4f...that'll give convenyence a much better chance of getting the lead to himself

i never give anybody no chance....but the odds of convenyence winning will likely be below fair value....somwhere in the 40-1 area probably right IMO....that's if line of david stays in...goes lower if hes out...LOL
 

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convenyence's dad indian charle 5/2 in the 98 derby looked like the winner about a furlong out but that last little bit got him....1/4 was just too far for him.....

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i'm utterly and totally clueless what to do after american lion and stately victor both to win and boxed in ex.....

probably will just scan the ex willpays and toss in some paying well with those two guys
 

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err..memory bad just watched 98 derby real quiet made that big move on the turn to get the jump on indian charlie...and indian hung the last 1/8th or so to barely hold onto 3rd

had victory gallop that derby....damn RQ...that was my first derby as far as really being into horse racing
 

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yeah took another look at the southwest...

conveyence switched leads near the end of that race a sign he was getting tired...and that's at a 1/16th...on a speed friendly OP strip with everything his own way granted he did cut out some good fractions

with slop and line of david out he's got a much better chance though.....if both those things pan out....at that point he's the clear speed in there...the others in here with speed aren't all that fast....i'd probably drop my fair odds down to 20-1 or something in that scenerio...
 

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