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He is a drug addict. Drug addicts can't slip up once or they tumble down the mountain. It's a disease. People who can casually use drugs do not have the disease. Josh Hamilton needs to walk away from the game, check into a full time inpatient facility to get sober and then start attending daily meetings or he will be leaving that family behind...and going 6 feet under.

Really? Have you ever been a drug addict?
 
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He is a drug addict. Drug addicts can't slip up once or they tumble down the mountain. It's a disease. People who can casually use drugs do not have the disease. Josh Hamilton needs to walk away from the game, check into a full time inpatient facility to get sober and then start attending daily meetings or he will be leaving that family behind...and going 6 feet under.


He is right. Although I hate classifying it as a disease because it is self inflicted. A disease is cancer.
 

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He's wrong about once youre an addict that you can't do it once with out spiraling downward again. That's just inaccurate. I love it when people talk about things they kow nothing about and never experienced. In fact its such a ridiculous statement that he doesn't even have to answer my question.
 

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He's wrong about once youre an addict that you can't do it once with out spiraling downward again. That's just inaccurate. I love it when people talk about things they kow nothing about and never experienced. In fact its such a ridiculous statement that he doesn't even have to answer my question.

What are you talking about? Drug addiction IS a disease. You have it for life. You can't be "a little bit of a drug addict".
 

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Really? Have you ever been a drug addict?

You don't need to be a drug addict to understand the compulsion of the disease that is drug addiction. You don't need to have cancer to be an oncologist. You don't need to be a dinosaur to be a paleontologist. I don't need to play in the NBA to understand basketball. So no, I'm not a drug addict. But I understand the genetics, the environment and the brain functions that compel people to suffer from the affliction.

Any more questions? No, didn't think so.
 

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You don't need to be a drug addict to understand the compulsion of the disease that is drug addiction. You don't need to have cancer to be an oncologist. You don't need to be a dinosaur to be a paleontologist. I don't need to play in the NBA to understand basketball. So no, I'm not a drug addict. But I understand the genetics, the environment and the brain functions that compel people to suffer from the affliction.

Any more questions? No, didn't think so.

No shit its a disease you dumb fuck!!! Ive done cocaine off and on for over 15 years. I never said it wasn't a disease. I'm telling you that you dont know what the fuck your talking about. I did 100-150$ 5 times a week last year from March to October. I finally just got tired of it and it was expensive. I just stopped. That's the 2nd longest stint I've done. In 2009 I spent 40k on blow. Since October I've done it 3 times all 1 nighters and didn't spiral downward. It affects people differently and you can control it you tucking idiot. So why don't you stick to commenting on things you have experienced and know that possibly someone who has lived it just might know more than you.
 

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No shit its a disease you dumb fuck!!! Ive done cocaine off and on for over 15 years. I never said it wasn't a disease. I'm telling you that you dont know what the fuck your talking about. I did 100-150$ 5 times a week last year from March to October. I finally just got tired of it and it was expensive. I just stopped. That's the 2nd longest stint I've done. In 2009 I spent 40k on blow. Since October I've done it 3 times all 1 nighters and didn't spiral downward. It affects people differently and you can control it you tucking idiot. So why don't you stick to commenting on things you have experienced and know that possibly someone who has lived it just might know more than you.

So wait, you've done drugs, so now you're some kind of expert? Give me a break. Who hasn't experimented with drugs? You aren't making a coherent point, you just rambled about how much money you've spent on drugs. So I will reiterate, drug addiction is a disease. Decades of research at the NIH have shown that drug addicts' brains actually change and the chemical dependency on drugs generates a physical shift in the brains structure. Josh Hamilton has million of dollars, a professional sports career and a beautiful family. But the compulsion of his disease is so strong it compels him to continue falling down the mountain of drug abuse. Most drug addicts think that not doing drugs, or quitting is simply a matter of willpower. It is not, it is complex brain disease that is chronic and needs to be managed. Stop acting like by having done drugs you are some sort of clinically trained expert on the subject.
 

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He is a drug addict. Drug addicts can't slip up once or they tumble down the mountain. It's a disease. People who can casually use drugs do not have the disease. Josh Hamilton needs to walk away from the game, check into a full time inpatient facility to get sober and then start attending daily meetings or he will be leaving that family behind...and going 6 feet under.

Do you see what I highlighted in bold? This is totally false. I'm a drug addict. If you don't think someone who has done 40k in cocaine in a single year is a drug addict then I don't know what to tell you. I'm telling you that some addicts can learn to manage it. Like I said I spent 2k/month on blow from March to October last year then stopped. Since then I've done it 3 times and didn't tumble down the mountain. So what you are saying is inaccurate. If you want to comment on things you have no experience with and look like a fool then go right ahead. Is that clear enough for you?
 

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Do you see what I highlighted in bold? This is totally false. I'm a drug addict. If you don't think someone who has done 40k in cocaine in a single year is a drug addict then I don't know what to tell you. I'm telling you that some addicts can learn to manage it. Like I said I spent 2k/month on blow from March to October last year then stopped. Since then I've done it 3 times and didn't tumble down the mountain. So what you are saying is inaccurate. If you want to comment on things you have no experience with and look like a fool then go right ahead. Is that clear enough for you?

Can't tell if you are kidding or not. Are you really making the argument that you are a drug addict, but it's okay because you can manage your addiction? You aren't making any reasonable point. Addiction can be chronic, with periodic relapses even after long periods of abstinence. Not every drug addict is continually using drugs. But that does not exclude them from drug addiction. Drug addiction is a disease that requires varied levels of management for every individual. You trying to say that a relapse for a drug addict is not a serious thing is honestly a joke.
 

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Self-admitted drug addict, says they are "managing their drug addiction" but then admits to still doing cocaine on a recreational basis. Yup that sounds about right.
 

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I'm simply stating that your comment "drug addicts can't slip up once or they tumble down the mountain." is nnacurate. I have had years since 2009 where I managed to recreationally do cocaine here and there. Even after this last October, after continuously doing coc for 7 months, I have done it 3 times and haven't tumbled down the mountain. That's all I'm saying.
 

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Doing drugs and the subsequent addiction is based on a lot of factors that involve both you individually as well as the dose of drug you taking. From a pharmacokinetic standpoint, cocaine is not tremendously physically addictive. I am not here to argue semantics with you since it seems the only thing we are disagreeing on is what "tumbling down the mountain" is. I think that any relapse for a drug addict is an issue and therefore would be considered "tumbling down the mountain." You seem to think that recreational drug use for an addict can be managed. I think it's a slippery slope that will keep someone tumbling. It's not worth arguing over that phrase.
 

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He is a drug addict. Drug addicts can't slip up once or they tumble down the mountain. It's a disease. People who can casually use drugs do not have the disease. Josh Hamilton needs to walk away from the game, check into a full time inpatient facility to get sober and then start attending daily meetings or he will be leaving that family behind...and going 6 feet under.

This is correct

Really? Have you ever been a drug addict?

I am and have been around addiction my whole life.

He's wrong about once youre an addict that you can't do it once with out spiraling downward again. That's just inaccurate. I love it when people talk about things they kow nothing about and never experienced. In fact its such a ridiculous statement that he doesn't even have to answer my question.

You're just dead wrong. Trust me.
 

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Can't tell if you are kidding or not. Are you really making the argument that you are a drug addict, but it's okay because you can manage your addiction? You aren't making any reasonable point. Addiction can be chronic, with periodic relapses even after long periods of abstinence. Not every drug addict is continually using drugs. But that does not exclude them from drug addiction. Drug addiction is a disease that requires varied levels of management for every individual. You trying to say that a relapse for a drug addict is not a serious thing is honestly a joke.

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Back to the topic and hand, Hamilton.

It sucks he's an addict, but MILLIONS of people manage it while drawing from a far scarcer resource pool, so I don't really feel bad for him or have sympathy for his relapse.

Still I feel addiction is such a personal thing. The guy has all the money in the world and if he wants to drink and party I think it's his business. Baseball is a business and he's a big boy; if his performance on the field keeps slipping his services will no longer be desired in MLB. That's on him.

I wish the media would just leave the man alone and stop putting his personal fight against his inner demons under a microscope like it's some kind of freak show.
 

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HC I started doing coc when I was 24. For years I would just simply do it when it was around or maybe go to a friends house and party with him on the weekends when I felt like partying. I did this for years and probably wasnt considered a drug addict. I could take it or leave it, but I enjoyed it. This went on for years. In 2009 I moved in with a coworker who was rich and constantly had Coc. I was doing it every other day because I did so much that I would literally sleep an entire day. This went on for a year. He ended up going to jail for his 4th DWI (he was also an alcoholic) so I moved out. I didn't touch it again for about a year. Then once again recreationally did it until this last March when I moved out of my gf's house. I had 10k to my name and literally inhaled it up my nose. I also maintained a 54% on posted MLB plays here . ; ). Anyway, after 7 months of being a coc head and not working I literally just stopped. Since then I've done it 3 times and all 1 nighters about a month in between. I haven't done it in about a month. I don't know when I'll do it again. I guess whenever I feel like it.

I know what you're saying definately applies to alcoholics. After years and years of drinking most hardcore alcoholics can't just have a drink and continue sobriety. I am saying I can do an 8 ball this weekend and not do it again for 3 months or however long I choose not to.
 

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HC I started doing coc when I was 24. For years I would just simply do it when it was around or maybe go to a friends house and party with him on the weekends when I felt like partying. I did this for years and probably wasnt considered a drug addict. I could take it or leave it, but I enjoyed it. This went on for years. In 2009 I moved in with a coworker who was rich and constantly had Coc. I was doing it every other day because I did so much that I would literally sleep an entire day. This went on for a year. He ended up going to jail for his 4th DWI (he was also an alcoholic) so I moved out. I didn't touch it again for about a year. Then once again recreationally did it until this last March when I moved out of my gf's house. I had 10k to my name and literally inhaled it up my nose. I also maintained a 54% on posted MLB plays here . ; ). Anyway, after 7 months of being a coc head and not working I literally just stopped. Since then I've done it 3 times and all 1 nighters about a month in between. I haven't done it in about a month. I don't know when I'll do it again. I guess whenever I feel like it.

I know what you're saying definately applies to alcoholics. After years and years of drinking most hardcore alcoholics can't just have a drink and continue sobriety. I am saying I can do an 8 ball this weekend and not do it again for 3 months or however long I choose not to.

It's pretty simple. You enjoy doing drugs but you are not a drug addict. That is just now how you wired. Some people can drink and drink and never become alcoholics. Some people can do lots of drugs and never really become a drug addict.

The differentiator is that something in an addict's brain is different and they can't just stop. That's why it becomes such a problem for them.

You think I stopped drinking and using cause I didn't like to get fucked up? I loved it more than anything. I wish I could take it or leave it, but I can't...and I consider myself a VERY strong willed person.

I (and millions of other addicts) are envious of people like you.

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