Is American Pharoah a Triple Crown Horse ?

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I say no


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American Pharoah wins Preakness Stakes @ -130

American Pharoah wins Belmont @ +120

American Pharoah wins Triple Crown +220
 

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Always a tough call. The third leg of the TC is usually the one that gets them. Trainers like to throw in fresh specialty horses to the mix, which makes it more difficult. If American Pharoah came out of the Derby fit, he has a good chance of winning the Preakness. But the Derby wasn't a walk in the park for him. One more race like that and I'm betting that he won't have enough left for the Belmont..
 

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could possiblly see him winning Preakness, but Belmont will be too much in my opinion. Agree with everything you said Sooners
 
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Great Shot.....I have more confidence in AP than any other 3 year old since Secretariat and Affirmed.....
 

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IDK, I'm not a racing expert but it seems his competition was very good and his time was far from being the best

I lean no, which is the easy way out :)
 

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No the other races won't be a slow half and he was slow the last quarter
 

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Great Shot.....I have more confidence in AP than any other 3 year old since Secretariat and Affirmed.....

How many horses does that equal out to? I have a feeling he wins the preakness, but the belmont is a different animal with fresh leg horses. It basically is an unfair race.


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I say no. In fact i think there will be 3 different winners.

Victor Espinoza tried to duck and dodge the question about comparing Pharoah to California Chrome , but by doing so it sounded to me like he feels Chrome is the better horse.
 

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I love this horse and I had him in the derby but I think the Preakness will present a great betting opportunity to bet against him when his odds are at there worst. A few reasons why, this the deepest 3rd old class in a long time. There's a good chance his main rivals arent going to skip this years preakness making it a much tougher race for him to win and lastly Espinoza whipped the shit out of him in the derby 32times that race took alot out of him. He is gonna go off at 3-5 or 4-5 im all set with that. There is gonna be tons of better value in other good quality horses in that race if they decide to run. If he beats me at 3-5 so be it.
 

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Always a tough call. The third leg of the TC is usually the one that gets them. Trainers like to throw in fresh specialty horses to the mix, which makes it more difficult. If American Pharoah came out of the Derby fit, he has a good chance of winning the Preakness. But the Derby wasn't a walk in the park for him. One more race like that and I'm betting that he won't have enough left for the Belmont..

But the Derby wasn't a walk in the park for him.

He toyed with those horses.....How many horse`s from the Derby will challenge him in the Preakness?....1 Firing Line?

He destroyed that field.....PERIOD!



1American Pharoah---
2Firing Line1
3Dortmund3
4Frosted
5Danzig Moon
6Materiality
7Keen Ice
8Mubtaahij9 ¼
9Itsaknockout10½
10Carpe Diem11
11Frammento12
12Bolo12¾
13Mr. Z15½
14Ocho Ocho Ocho15½
15Far Right15¾
16War Story19¼
17Tencendur35
18Upstart60½

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Does anybody know why International Star was scratched from the Derby? If his trainer brings him back for the Belmont, I think with his running style he's got the best chance of winning the Belmont. Plus he'll be a fresh horse. Baffert also has an interesting decision to make with his other horse Dortmund. This horse is a real threat to AP. Especially at the shorter distance, or if they let him get out there by himself without a rabbit. Being a speed horse, I left Dortmund off the back end of my trifecta's because I thought he would either finish first or not finish. But he hung in there much better than I thought he would.
 

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This might be the smallest Preakness field in years......The Preakness will be a cake walk.

The Belmont will have fresh newcomers.......That I always the test.
 

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But the Derby wasn't a walk in the park for him.

He toyed with those horses.....How many horse`s from the Derby will challenge him in the Preakness?....1 Firing Line?

He destroyed that field.....PERIOD!



1American Pharoah---
2Firing Line1
3Dortmund3
4Frosted
5Danzig Moon
6Materiality
7Keen Ice
8Mubtaahij9 ¼
9Itsaknockout10½
10Carpe Diem11
11Frammento12
12Bolo12¾
13Mr. Z15½
14Ocho Ocho Ocho15½
15Far Right15¾
16War Story19¼
17Tencendur35
18Upstart60½

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You better watch it again. AP had the perfect ride with no horses or traffic at all to deal with. But he still had a ton of problems getting past Firing Line. He was hitting the shit out of that horse to the very end.


 
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Potential Preakness field...

AP
Firing Line
Dortmund
Danzig Moon
Carpe Diem
International Star
Materiality
Bodtisattva
Competitive Edge
Divining Rod
 
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All 3 broke perfect and were 1,2,3 the entire race so all 3 had perfect trips. Dortmund just couldn't get the distance because he didn't go that fast but still tired. He might be better at the shorter Preakness distance. AP and Firing Line are pretty equal horses at this stage with only the slightest of edge to AP since he won the Derby.

If the field I posted above does run( I got the info off DRF so I considered it pretty accurate) it should a very good race. The interesting horse for me will be Materiality, who got a poor break in the Derby and stuck on the rail behind a wall of horses at the start and was 12 lengths back at first call. However, he worked his way thru to finish 6th, just 7 lengths back and had one of the faster closing times for final 1/4. If he gets a good break in Preakness and is in the battle up front also, it could make things interesting.

For AP to win the Triple Crown, I think he will need to be a great horse. Only time will tell if he is.
 

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I say he has a great chance to do it but 6 weeks for 3 races and the killer race is the Belmont going 1 1/2 miles is the Triple Crown killer
 

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Did anyone notice frosted came back from 14th place to finish 4th? That horse can run!! He just got caught up in back and was spent more than horses running at front. Watch for him in future races.
 

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