God Doesn't Prevent Terrible Things Because...

[loomis41973]

D&a

 

[festeringZit]

Yawn. Keep believing you are something other than just an insignificant speck of dust floating around a place bigger than any of us can possibly imagine. Some people need a crutch...or to feel like they have a higher purpose to get through the day...I don't.

You define it as a crutch, I don't define it that way - besides I don't believe it because "I need a crutch to get through the day."

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

You may find it hard to believe, but I find it way more rational than the alternative.

So it's rational that a group of goat herders who didn't know where the sun went at night figured it all out for us? I will stick with the guys in lab coats with PhDs. There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of the scientific community believes religion is a crock of shit and like it or not they are dragging all of us into the future one mind at a time.

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

You define it as a crutch, I don't define it that way - besides I don't believe it because "I need a crutch to get through the day."

Do you believe you have a higher purpose other than to perpetuate the existence of your DNA?

 

[festeringZit]

No, I don't find it hard to believe at all. I'm surrounded by people who believe that. What astounds me is how is it possible that faith can trump logic, reason and common sense for so many people.

You're making a false dichotomy.

I'm arguing that it's not logical and reasonable (nor common sense) to believe that all of life here, and the universe we live in just magically poofed into existence from nothing.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Pretty silly to believe that we (life & the universe) just magically poofed into being, out of ... nothing - despite no scientifically factual evidence, no thanks.

Every day I try to wrap my mind around how atheists can believe that everything on earth, and the whole universe, just evolved from ... nothing - and it continues to be the most asinine thing I've ever heard of.

So in other words, you're saying "I don't understand how it could have happened, so God must have done it".

Your false characterization of The Big Bang Theory notwithstanding, you say that the universe couldn't have formed without a creator, yet the creator you cite is exempt from having been created himself. How convenient.

 

[festeringZit]

So it's rational that a group of goat herders who didn't know where the sun went at night figured it all out for us? I will stick with the guys in lab coats with PhDs. There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of the scientific community believes religion is a crock of shit and like it or not they are dragging all of us into the future one mind at a time.

Arguing about whether or not the Jewish scriptures were divinely inspired is a different discussion than the one at hand.

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

Arguing about whether or not the Jewish scriptures were divinely inspired is a different discussion than the one at hand.

So you are saying they aren't divinely inspired or are partially wrong?

 

[CHOPTALK]

Arguing about whether or not the Jewish scriptures were divinely inspired is a different discussion than the one at hand.

NO doubt

 

[festeringZit]

So in other words, you're saying "I don't understand how it could have happened, so God must have done it".

Your false characterization of The Big Bang Theory notwithstanding, you say that the universe couldn't have formed without a creator, yet the creator you cite is exempt from having been created himself.

I didn't falsely characterize the big bang theory. The universe we live in had a beginning, fact. Space and time didn't exist before the big bang. What caused the big bang, since there was no matter, no space, and no time? Magic? Voodoo?

 

[CHOPTALK]

So you are saying they aren't divinely inspired or are partially wrong?

You can be divinely inspired and still make mistake's.

Moses would be a good example.
Many things in the Bible cant be true.
That is a fact.

 

[festeringZit]

So you are saying they aren't divinely inspired or are partially wrong?

I'm saying it has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion AND, your statement about goat herders having it all figured out was a complete non sequitur anyway.

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

I didn't falsely characterize the big bang theory. The universe we live in had a beginning, fact. Space and time didn't exist before the big bang. What caused the big bang, since there was no matter, no space, and no time? Magic? Voodoo?

God = Magic; Voodoo

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

I'm saying it has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion AND, your statement about goat herders having it all figured out was a complete non sequitur anyway.

I am pretty sure it has a lot to do with this discussion. If you don't believe the scriptures then why believe in the god? You keep dodging the question though - just answer it and I will leave you alone. Do you believe the Bible is 100% factual?

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Another inconvenient truth for followers of religion is how their religion is an accident of geography and parentage.

If festeringZit was born in a small village in Northern Pakistan, he would be making just as passionate an argument about Islam.

Most people born to Christian parents in a nation with a lot of Christians, will likely remain Christian. A person born to Hindu parents in a Hindu country will likely remain Hindu. And so on, and so on.

So I bet zit is feeling pretty lucky that he was born into the right religion, eh?

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

You can be divinely inspired and still make mistake's.

Moses would be a good example.
Many things in the Bible cant be true.
That is a fact.

2 Timothy 3:16

How can you believe in parts of the Bible while dismissing other parts? It says that EVERYTHING in the Bible is the inspired word. Wouldn't you agree that god wouldn't make any mistakes at all with something so important as his holy text?

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

I didn't falsely characterize the big bang theory. The universe we live in had a beginning, fact. Space and time didn't exist before the big bang. What caused the big bang, since there was no matter, no space, and no time? Magic? Voodoo?

But even if the Big Bang isn't true, that doesn't make Christianity right by default. Science has explained a lot of things that previously were attributed to a supreme being. Now we know better. About the only questions religionists have left is "Where did we come from" and "Why are we here", and they desperately cling to them like a church lady clutching her pearls.

 

[motowner]

Another inconvenient truth for followers of religion is how their religion is an accident of geography and parentage.

If festeringZit was born in a small village in Northern Pakistan, he would be making just as passionate argument about Islam.

Most people born to Christian parents in a nation with a lot of Christians, will likely remain Christian. A person born to Hindu parents in a Hindu country will likely remain Hindu. And so on, and so on.

So I bet zit is feeling pretty lucky that he was born into the right religion, eh?

God and organized religion are two totally different things.

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

Another inconvenient truth for followers of religion is how their religion is an accident of geography and parentage.

If festeringZit was born in a small village in Northern Pakistan, he would be making just as passionate argument about Islam.

Most people born to Christian parents in a nation with a lot of Christians, will likely remain Christian. A person born to Hindu parents in a Hindu country will likely remain Hindu. And so on, and so on.

So I bet zit is feeling pretty lucky that he was born into the right religion, eh?

I was born right into the middle of bible-thumper central (any coincidence that it is also one of the dumbest/poorest demographics of people in the US?) so there must be a really special place for me since I rejected the one true faith.

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

God and organized religion are two totally different things.

So you can have religion without god? I think you are talking about being spiritual vs being religious - which is in and of itself a completely different crock of shit.