Evidence in Roger Stone case is "voluminous and complex"

[rolltide]

He is not a millionaire.

let me guess...he's also not in his 60's? libbies and their love of facts

https://heightline.com/roger-stone-wiki-wife-gay-net-worth/

In addition to his political works, Stone has other sources of income which include an occasional contribution to the website ‘The Daily Caller’. He owns a fashion blog which he also writes for named ‘Stone on Style’ and he is also a writer and has written five books so far which were published by Skyhorse Publishing in New York City.

Roger Stone is estimated to have a total net worth of about $20 million.


confirmed again at:
Roger Stone Bio, Age, Height, Weight, Net Worth, Affair, Married, Life ...


celebsiren.com › Politics

Nov 15, 2018 - Roger Stone Bio, Age, Height, Weight, Net Worth, Affair, Married, ... Roger Stone Ethnicity/Religion ... Net Worth: $20 million USD (estimated) ...Net Worth‎: ‎$20 million USD (estimated)
Age‎: ‎66 years old

Religion‎: ‎Catholic



and then again at https://gossipgist.com/roger-stone


but you are correct that I cannot confirm he could have been drunk and smoking crack at 5:30am that morning

 

[theDonger]

I told you why. He's a psychopath. He gets off on fucking people over. He was charged with investigating Russian collusion not tax evasion and god knows what else his demented mind has conjured up. He needs to be put down.

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You can't just say "He's a psychopath" without backing that up. That's conjecture.

He gets off on fucking people over? He was an Attorney General for 15 years and FBI director for 12. Fucking over (criminals) is kinda his job. Here is the original text of the authorization for appointment of Special Counsel and the scope of the investigation:

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i)

any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii)

any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii)

any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

When Kenneth Star nailed Clinton for perjury about a blowjob -- It was from a similar item (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; Starr's original appointment was to investigate the Whitewater land deal.

Honestly, stumbling into a heaping pile of money-laundering / tax-evasion seem more plausible as a result of investigating "coordination" with Russians (not collusion, collusion isn't a law) than a blowjob in the Oval Office from an intern does stemming from a criminal land deal.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

You can't just say "He's a psychopath" without backing that up. That's conjecture.

He gets off on fucking people over? He was an Attorney General for 15 years and FBI director for 12. Fucking over (criminals) is kinda his job. Here is the original text of the authorization for appointment of Special Counsel and the scope of the investigation:

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i)

any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii)

any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii)

any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

When Kenneth Star nailed Clinton for perjury about a blowjob -- It was from a similar item (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; Starr's original appointment was to investigate the Whitewater land deal.

Honestly, stumbling into a heaping pile of money-laundering / tax-evasion seem more plausible as a result of investigating "coordination" with Russians (not collusion, collusion isn't a law) than a blowjob in the Oval Office from an intern does stemming from a criminal land deal.

Blah, blah. blah. Riddle me this, Mr. Brainwashed, why is it Mueller has only indicted Trumps associates?
Do you not believe there are a long list of laws the DOJ, FBI, Obama and Clinton have broken?

Why has he not indicted any of those usual suspects?

And please don't embarrass yourself and tell me he indicted Russians.

As for me claiming Mueller is a Psychopath I'll just say that Psychopathy is a personality construct consisting
of a cluster of characteristics used by mental health professionals to describe someone who is charming,
manipulative, emotionally ruthless and potentially criminal.

Of all of those characteristics the only one Mueller doesn't exhibit is charming. If fact he shows no interaction
with society whatsoever. He for all intents and purposes is a recluse. A mad scientist so to speak.

 

[theDonger]

Blah, blah. blah. Riddle me this, Mr. Brainwashed, why is it Mueller has only indicted Trumps associates?
Do you not believe there are a long list of laws the DOJ, FBI, Obama and Clinton have broken?

You're a smart guy I'm sure you can figure out that:

1) Only Trump associates and Russians nationals have been indicted thus far because those are the people Mueller has evidence on.

2) Mueller isn't done with indictments.

3) Mueller is a veteran prosecutor and isn't going to show his hand until he's ready to lay out all the cards on the table.

I'll just say that Psychopathy is a personality construct consisting
of a cluster of characteristics used by mental health professionals to describe someone who is charming,
manipulative, emotionally ruthless and potentially criminal.

Of all of those characteristics the only one Mueller doesn't exhibit is charming.

Funny, I could make the same argument about the president and I can wrap it all up in one policy decision: Child separation and detention policy along the southern border. Absolutely abhorrent, disgusting, and NOT in line with American values.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

You're a smart guy I'm sure you can figure out that:

1) Only Trump associates and Russians nationals have been indicted thus far because those are the people Mueller has evidence on.

2) Mueller isn't done with indictments.

3) Mueller is a veteran prosecutor and isn't going to show his hand until he's ready to lay out all the cards on the table.



Funny, I could make the same argument about the president and I can wrap it all up in one policy decision: Child separation and detention policy along the southern border. Absolutely abhorrent, disgusting, and NOT in line with American values.

You're having a bad wet dream. There is no evidence, there has never been any evidence and there will never be any evidence.
As for the separating of children for adults, that's a bleeding heart taking point. It happens everyday to our own citizens and not
a peep from the SJWS. It only counts if they are illegals.

 

[REDEYE]

You're having a bad wet dream. There is no evidence, there has never been any evidence and there will never be any evidence.
As for the separating of children for adults, that's a bleeding heart taking point. It happens everyday to our own citizens and not
a peep from the SJWS. It only counts if they are illegals.

Spot on post

 

[theDonger]

You're having a bad wet dream. There is no evidence, there has never been any evidence and there will never be any evidence.
As for the separating of children for adults, that's a bleeding heart taking point. It happens everyday to our own citizens and not
a peep from the SJWS. It only counts if they are illegals.

Show me the lack of evidence. Are you aware that an indictment is served, under suspicion of criminality, and that evidence is presented along with that indictment to show probable cause that the crime did occur.

If there was no evidence, the judge would throw the indictment back in the prosecutors face and tell him to stop wasting his time and the time of the defendant.

 

[REDEYE]

I'm not into woulda shoulda coulda's .. not holding my breath either waiting for any of this nonsense of an investigation to produce anything worthwhile

 

[theDonger]

I'm not into woulda shoulda coulda's .. not holding my breath either waiting for any of this nonsense of an investigation to produce anything worthwhile

I'm not into shoulda would as either. I'm just connecting a coue of dots on why Mueller would even be looking at manafort.

The wheels of justice turn slowly, unfortunately. Doesn't mean they shouldn't turn at all though.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Show me the lack of evidence. Are you aware that an indictment is served, under suspicion of criminality, and that evidence is presented along with that indictment to show probable cause that the crime did occur.

If there was no evidence, the judge would throw the indictment back in the prosecutors face and tell him to stop wasting his time and the time of the defendant.

I'm finished scratching your ass. Scratch it yourself.

 

[theDonger]

I'm finished scratching your ass. Scratch it yourself.

If there was no evidence, the judge would throw the indictment back in the prosecutors face and tell him to stop wasting his time and the time of the defendant.

 

[THawk+]

He is not a millionaire. Is thousandaire a thing? https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/republicans/roger-stone-net-worth/

Again, I'm not law enforcement. I've never worked for LE, but I imagine they did what they needed to do for their own safety or in order to preserve evidence.

However, that being said -- if evidence surfaces that the FBI raid on Stone was heavy-handed or politically motivated. I will be right behind you demanding answers and accountability.


edit: I don't know how much Stone is worth there are several different sites reporting vastly different numbers, so I will take back my earlier statement. Still doesn't change what I spoke of after that.

Only one word comes to mind when reading what you wrote..... IGNORANT!!!

 

[theDonger]

Only one word comes to mind when reading what you wrote..... IGNORANT!!!

I mean isn't one of the tenets of Blue Lives Matter that excessive force is sometimes needed for the safety of the officer involved? Why should that be different in the situation with Stone?

 

[THawk+]

I mean isn't one of the tenets of Blue Lives Matter that excessive force is sometimes needed for the safety of the officer involved? Why should that be different in the situation with Stone?

Once again showing how IGNORANT of a person you really are!!!!!

 

[SheriffJoe]

From the primaries to the transition team and right into the first few months of his administration, all political 'insiders' could talk about is how disorganized and chaotic the Trump campaign was, which was expected since Trump is a political neophyte. To think they could have pulled something off as elaborate and sophisticated as donger is alleging is ridiculous - 9/11-was-an-inside-job lunacy. Notice there is never any evidence to back up these wild accusations, just a ton of innuendo and 'leaks' from "Stand up Mueller's" office, which usually turn out to be crap. Almost like clockwork, every time there's some bad news about Obama's deep state coup, this rogue prosecutor and his Clinton henchman raid some Trump associate trying to steal the headlines. There's a reason why he refuses to appear at any congressional hearings, and knowing this guy's sordid history it's easy to understand why.

"voluminous and complex"

Yeah, this thread won't age well.

 

[theDonger]

Notice there is never any evidence to back up these wild accusations

Yes, the evidence is sealed. As I stated before, indictments are just accusations in open court. An indictment is an official prosecutorial claim of criminal wrongdoing with corroborating evidence to be considered in support of that indictment.

Without evidence, the judge would immediately dismiss the case/charges and demand the prosecution not waste their time.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Yes, the evidence is sealed. As I stated before, indictments are just accusations in open court. An indictment is an official prosecutorial claim of criminal wrongdoing with corroborating evidence to be considered in support of that indictment.

Without evidence, the judge would immediately dismiss the case/charges and demand the prosecution not waste their time.

There is no "sealed evidence" against Stone beyond the frivolous process crimes he's been charged with. Get a grip.

You really believe Mueller's office, which leaks like a sieve, could contain themselves if there were any "smoking gun" proof of a conspiracy? Like, oh, I dunno..."POTUS wants to know everything we're doing!"??

Hysterical!

 

[theDonger]

There is no "sealed evidence" against Stone beyond the frivolous process crimes he's been charged with. Get a grip.

You really believe Mueller's office, which leaks like a sieve, could contain themselves if there were any "smoking gun" proof of a conspiracy? Like, oh, I dunno..."POTUS wants to know everything we're doing!"??

Hysterical!

Yes, there is. There are court docs to backup what I'm saying. Court papers don't lie.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Yes, there is. There are court docs to backup what I'm saying. Court papers don't lie.

No, there aren't. If there were, Stone would be charged with those crimes.

Stone was indicted last week on charges of obstructing an investigation, witness tampering and five counts of making false statements.

"witness tampering" = telling someone not to talk to Mueller. lol

"making false statements" = I'll ask you the same question 10 times and if you answer differently on any occasion, I'll slap you with a perjury charge, until you give us something juicy on Trump!

Where's the conspiracy?

 

[Willie99]

Yes, there is. There are court docs to backup what I'm saying. Court papers don't lie.

So you think OJ is innocent? awesome