draft 11th of 12 in a ppr league...which direction do i even go here

[PatsFan1283]

disagree but we disagree on a lot of things... vick won peoples league last year because they got stud RB in first, probably stud WRs, more stud RBs...then out of nowhere get vick off waivers and have a stacked team...where as this year you wanna draft him round 1 you wont have a stud RB you will have invested too much on a QB as i said i dont think id take vick over brady or rodgers or peyton

I actually agree I never take QBs high. I always try to find the value in a QB in that 11-14 range and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. However Vick is unique because of the rushing stats and that can really give him a big edge over the field. Keep in mind, only 1 team wins if your in a league that doesn't include sideaction and sidebetting (which most leagues are obv)

As far as Vick last year, him and Foster were by far the best guys in FF. If you had them on your teams you had a great chance to win total pts, regardless of where you got them. Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

 

[Mlink]

that is what i dug up from my last post when i did the mock and researched it

so it came out to what 3-4 points more per week over eli/ryan/big ben type QB in the 5th or 6th

id rather have a foster/matt ryan team over a vick/daniel thomas duo foster is about 15-17 more projected per week fantasy points than daniel thomas, vick is about 3 points more projected fantasy points than matt ryan....

get my point?

 

[Mlink]

I have contemplated on whether or not to draft Vick if the opportunity is there or not.

Yes, he could get hurt, and yes, his numbers could be down, but the idea of getting a QB and RB in one is tempting.

The main thing that scares me is that he had 12 rushing TD's last season I believe.
That contributed a many of his points, and it's unlikely he gets that many again and could very well be only about half of that.

no chance...6 TDs in one game against the skins, teams have figured him out, as i said no knock on vick i think he is very very good and this is not a knock on him or any QB but taking a qb in round 1 makes 0 sense... i just posted the research to prove it

 

[Mlink]

I actually agree I never take QBs high. I always try to find the value in a QB in that 11-14 range and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. However Vick is unique because of the rushing stats and that can really give him a big edge over the field. Keep in mind, only 1 team wins if your in a league that doesn't include sideaction and sidebetting (which most leagues are obv)

As far as Vick last year, him and Foster were by far the best guys in FF. If you had them on your teams you had a great chance to win total pts, regardless of where you got them. Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

i understand bud, maybe i am not making my point clear... a team that drafted rodgers early and had to do a full draft prob did not win a league...a team that drafted qb late and then picked up vick had a MUCH better channce of winning because they had stud players then added vick... get it?

 

[PatsFan1283]

that is what i dug up from my last post when i did the mock and researched it

so it came out to what 3-4 points more per week over eli/ryan/big ben type QB in the 5th or 6th

id rather have a foster/matt ryan team over a vick/daniel thomas duo foster is about 15-17 more projected per week fantasy points than daniel thomas, vick is about 3 points more projected fantasy points than matt ryan....

get my point?

I get your point and I implement it in pretty much all my leagues. However, your #s are a bit off. The difference isn't quite that glaring.

Vick last year was about 11ppg more per week than Ryan in basic leagues. Foster was about 11 or so over the 12th ranked RB.

 

[Mlink]

Tom Brady, 378.6
Aaron Rodgers, 374.2
Michael Vick, 368.2
Philip Rivers, 362.6
Peyton Manning, 361.4
Drew Brees, 342
Arian Foster, 337.8
Josh Freeman, 312.2
Matt Ryan, 309.2
Eli Manning, 302


top scoring QBs from last year

vick in his breakout stud great season did not even surpass brady, now i know he played in less games, but he was hurt you cant count on vick to be healthy and play 16 games so i value brady, manning, and rodgers over vick anyway

 

[PatsFan1283]

I have him as the 6th or 7th best fantasy QB. I wouldn't touch him in the first 4 rounds.

6th or 7th best FF QB when including getting to start a baseline QB for the games he misses? That seems absurd honestly. I wish I could walk into a casino and get that bet.

 

[seanm0520]

I've never taken a QB in the first round in fantasy football, I think, ever. But here's the thing to remember, Vick did what he did in ONLY 12 games. Again, no one is disputing the injury risk but to simply say defenses have figured him out doesn't give the due credit to Reid and the Eagles coaching staff in being elite QB groomers. He will be entering this season as the CLEAR starter, with an improved offensive line, and still a slew of fantastic targets.

Only one other QB even sniffs at the rushing Vick does in Rodgers and even then, it's not close. You're getting potential RB2 numbers WITH top 10 QB numbers.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Tom Brady, 378.6
Aaron Rodgers, 374.2
Michael Vick, 368.2
Philip Rivers, 362.6
Peyton Manning, 361.4
Drew Brees, 342
Arian Foster, 337.8
Josh Freeman, 312.2
Matt Ryan, 309.2
Eli Manning, 302


top scoring QBs from last year

vick in his breakout stud great season did not even surpass brady, now i know he played in less games, but he was hurt you cant count on vick to be healthy and play 16 games so i value brady, manning, and rodgers over vick anyway

Umm, he played 4 less games than them. If you just take the 13th best QB on a PPG basis thats another 60pts or so.

 

[Mlink]

I get your point and I implement it in pretty much all my leagues. However, your #s are a bit off. The difference isn't quite that glaring.

Vick last year was about 11ppg more per week than Ryan in basic leagues. Foster was about 11 or so over the 12th ranked RB.

my numbers are not off....look at the final numbers my friend, vick 60 points more than ryan one is a 1st rounder one is a 5th rounder... that is 3.75 points per game, you understand that i am taking into the fact that vick WILL miss 2-3 games he always does and will miss 2-3 games you and i both know he will, so that is where my math is coming from i am going on vick having the same amount of games he had last year that is where i get my 3.75 from

 

[Mlink]

I've never taken a QB in the first round in fantasy football, I think, ever. But here's the thing to remember, Vick did what he did in ONLY 12 games. Again, no one is disputing the injury risk but to simply say defenses have figured him out doesn't give the due credit to Reid and the Eagles coaching staff in being elite QB groomers. He will be entering this season as the CLEAR starter, with an improved offensive line, and still a slew of fantastic targets.

Only one other QB even sniffs at the rushing Vick does in Rodgers and even then, it's not close. You're getting potential RB2 numbers WITH top 10 QB numbers.

improved offensive line? justice and harris both hurt, and a rookie starting at guard, dont mean to argue but his line actually is worse...

 

[PatsFan1283]

my numbers are not off....look at the final numbers my friend, vick 60 points more than ryan one is a 1st rounder one is a 5th rounder... that is 3.75 points per game, you understand that i am taking into the fact that vick WILL miss 2-3 games he always does and will miss 2-3 games you and i both know he will, so that is where my math is coming from i am going on vick having the same amount of games he had last year that is where i get my 3.75 from

That is faulty math then. You need to include the fact that the 4 games he missed you are not leaving your QB spot EMPTY. Someone will be playing there, someone who will putup 13-15ppg on avg.

 

[Mlink]

Umm, he played 4 less games than them. If you just take the 13th best QB on a PPG basis thats another 60pts or so.

vick is not going to play 16 games bro.... he never has, never will, this year will not be different...that is why i am basing my fact as 3.75 per game...

 

[PatsFan1283]

vick is not going to play 16 games bro.... he never has, never will, this year will not be different...that is why i am basing my fact as 3.75 per game...

Oh my god, you don't understand baseline. You aren't leaving the spot EMPTY when he doesn't play. You are totally comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Mlink]

That is faulty math then. You need to include the fact that the 4 games he missed you are not leaving your QB spot EMPTY. Someone will be playing there, someone who will putup 13-15ppg on avg.

ok ok ok agree agree never thought about that now i get what you said, its hard to have a debate on a computer... but i am not talking about a a backup qb in his spots i am talking about the value of a RB in round 1 and QB in round 5 has MUCH more value than a qb 1 and rb 5

as i said before... foster/ryan duo or a vick/daniel thomas duo? obviously its the foster/ryan duo...foster may even put up better numbers per game than vick in a PPR, ryan will absolutely put up better numbers than thomas on a weekly game basis

 

[Mlink]

Oh my god, you don't understand baseline. You aren't leaving the spot EMPTY when he doesn't play. You are totally comparing apples and oranges.

i just said my mistake i did not get what you are saying, but its still not my point

look at the numbers, i wouldnt even take vick 1 overall out of the QBs.......

 

[seanm0520]

improved offensive line? justice and harris both hurt, and a rookie starting at guard, dont mean to argue but his line actually is worse...

They're hurt in preseason, I'm not overly concerned yet. But with the hire of Mudd as line coach, the line WILL be better this year. And Watkins was NFL-ready coming out.

 

[PatsFan1283]

ok ok ok agree agree never thought about that now i get what you said, its hard to have a debate on a computer... but i am not talking about a a backup qb in his spots i am talking about the value of a RB in round 1 and QB in round 5 has MUCH more value than a qb 1 and rb 5

as i said before... foster/ryan duo or a vick/daniel thomas duo? obviously its the foster/ryan duo...foster may even put up better numbers per game than vick in a PPR, ryan will absolutely put up better numbers than thomas on a weekly game basis

You have to admit, putting DThomas and Ryan as the replacements is a little ridiculous. You can get a better RB in rd 5 than the Dolphins backup lol.

I see your overall point for sure, I use it every year. However I do think a healthy Vick (12-13 games) is probably an exception to the rule especially in leagues with only .5ppr and only 4pts for QB TD.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Looks like Mlink has it all figured out.

Lets just submit all our drafts to Mlink and let him tell us who is going to win our leagues.
It will save us all the trouble of having to turn in our lineups every week.

We are so thankful

 

[Mlink]

his QBR in the last 5 weeks went from 100-97-90-77-70

going into this season coaches have entire offseason to plan for him, sketch out a D to contain him like the packers did, and the vikings and the giants in the 1st half of that debacle of a game.... just gotta slide him to his right and he isnt going to make throws