Does anyone here watch Acient Aliens on the History channel ?

[wolfie_cr]

I'd still like to see a regiment of illegal Mexicans move these stones with ancient technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites#List_of_efforts_to_move_and_install_stones (from the previously listed link

they are not mexicans....but


Mark Lehner and NOVA organized an experiment to tow stones and to build a pyramid 9 meters wide by 9 meters deep by 6 meters high. They were able to tow a 2 ton block on a sledge across wood tracks with 12 to 20 men. Approximately 6 to 10 men pulled each ton. The pyramid was 54 cubic meters total estimated weight 135 tons. It was built out of 186 stones. The average weight of each stone was almost 1,500 lb (680 kg). (.75 tons) They found that 4 or 5 men could use levers to flip stones less than a ton and roll them to transport them


Giovanni Battista Belzoni organized an effort to pull a 7.5 ton fragment of a statue of Ramses on rollers with a group of 130 men in 1815. This statue was towed to the river and loaded on a barge where it was sent to London. Progress increased with practice as they went along. Approximately 17 or 18 men pulled each ton

 

[REDEYE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites#List_of_efforts_to_move_and_install_stones (from the previously listed link

they are not mexicans....but


Mark Lehner and NOVA organized an experiment to tow stones and to build a pyramid 9 meters wide by 9 meters deep by 6 meters high. They were able to tow a 2 ton block on a sledge across wood tracks with 12 to 20 men. Approximately 6 to 10 men pulled each ton. The pyramid was 54 cubic meters total estimated weight 135 tons. It was built out of 186 stones. The average weight of each stone was almost 1,500 lb (680 kg). (.75 tons) They found that 4 or 5 men could use levers to flip stones less than a ton and roll them to transport them


Giovanni Battista Belzoni organized an effort to pull a 7.5 ton fragment of a statue of Ramses on rollers with a group of 130 men in 1815. This statue was towed to the river and loaded on a barge where it was sent to London. Progress increased with practice as they went along. Approximately 17 or 18 men pulled each ton

These structures were several stories high and were cut to precision. These stones that were stacked several stories high to precision are estimated to be close to thousand tons each. Did these experiments cover that ?

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Here's the logic in this thread:

We don't understand how ancient Egyptians could have built the pyramids, therefore aliens built them.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

These structures were several stories high and were cut to precision. These stones that were stacked several stories high to precision are estimated to be close to thousand tons each. Did these experiments cover that ?

LMAO


Source?

The stones averaged 2.5 tons each so you're only off by a magnitude of a few thousand. Way to stretch the truth in order to make your point.

 

[REDEYE]

Here's the logic in this thread:

We don't understand how ancient Egyptians could have built the pyramids, therefore aliens built them.

Nobody said anything about the Pyramids, at least not me, I am talking about the other ancient structures that have been shown on this show. Those structures, the stones are several hundred to athousand tons

 

[wolfie_cr]

Nobody said anything about the Pyramids, at least not me, I am talking about the other ancient structures that have been shown on this show. Those structures, the stones are several hundred to athousand tons

structures located where ? perhaps if you get the name of the show I can download and watch it

 

[REDEYE]

structures located where ? perhaps if you get the name of the show I can download and watch it

If you have been following the thread the show is Ancient Aliens. They have had years of epsidoes with several ancient structures talked about. Maybe you could visit their website and investigate what we have been saying about this program. I realize your sticking to your guns with hard labor and wooden rollers to lift several ton boulders several stories high, but you haven't told any of us how these boulders were cut to exact precision with no technology to do it.

 

[NES]

why dont you stick to deciphering the meaning of smells like teen spirit Red Eye, you're in way over your head here

 

[REDEYE]

why dont you stick to deciphering the meaning of smells like teen spirit Red Eye, you're in way over your head here

Is that the best you can do ?

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Here's the logic in this thread:

We don't understand how ancient Egyptians could have built the pyramids, therefore aliens built them.

Already mentioned Occam's Razor....

 

[wolfie_cr]

If you have been following the thread the show is Ancient Aliens. They have had years of epsidoes with several ancient structures talked about. Maybe you could visit their website and investigate what we have been saying about this program. I realize your sticking to your guns with hard labor and wooden rollers to lift several ton boulders several stories high, but you haven't told any of us how these boulders were cut to exact precision with no technology to do it.

Well I have been following the thread I am just not about to invest 100 hours watching stuff, is your contention that I have to watch THE WHOLE SERIES.......??? I figured I could go and watch ONE episode

and yeah, I am sticking to my guns, there are already totally plausible theories on the pyramids for example , the egyptians had very good knowledge of math and astronomy...documented many many things and there is not a single mention of something as fantastic and worth mentioning as visitors from the sky that came to help

its not just hard labor, its also what happens when you buy into an ideology, that is, fear of gods and trying to "please" them, get a ruler (pharoh) get an ideology (their religion) and then set them in motion with good leadership and voila

(or the Apollo project, get an ideology ..that is defeat the commies ....get a leader ..JFK put the entire country into a goal....and voila)

you mention this "Those structures, the stones are several hundred to athousand tons"

I ask, which one, give me one example to look into it.

 

[The Sports Scientist]

yeah i dunno about this whole "didnt have the tools to cut these stones in precision" argument
ive seen all these crazy shows and that is never a point of contention
i believe they were using copper tools in that era, the problem is the tools would get dull quickly, but that doesnt mean they couldnt cut the rocks
you pretty much made that part up red eye, you dont need 21st century lasers to cut rocks to make a pyramid

 

[REDEYE]

Well I have been following the thread I am just not about to invest 100 hours watching stuff, is your contention that I have to watch THE WHOLE SERIES.......??? I figured I could go and watch ONE episode

and yeah, I am sticking to my guns, there are already totally plausible theories on the pyramids for example , the egyptians had very good knowledge of math and astronomy...documented many many things and there is not a single mention of something as fantastic and worth mentioning as visitors from the sky that came to help

its not just hard labor, its also what happens when you buy into an ideology, that is, fear of gods and trying to "please" them, get a ruler (pharoh) get an ideology (their religion) and then set them in motion with good leadership and voila

(or the Apollo project, get an ideology ..that is defeat the commies ....get a leader ..JFK put the entire country into a goal....and voila)

you mention this "Those structures, the stones are several hundred to athousand tons"

I ask, which one, give me one example to look into it.

I don't have the time to invest to relook at the episodes either. I just watched the show, and have an opinion. I also don't have a razor sharp memory so I can't tell you which epsidoe to look at. if it interests you check it out, it it doesn't so be it. I'm not trying to convince you what to believe. By watching the episodes, it makes sense what they are saying.

 

[REDEYE]

yeah i dunno about this whole "didnt have the tools to cut these stones in precision" argument
ive seen all these crazy shows and that is never a point of contention
i believe they were using copper tools in that era, the problem is the tools would get dull quickly, but that doesnt mean they couldnt cut the rocks
you pretty much made that part up red eye, you dont need 21st century lasers to cut rocks to make a pyramid

Didn't make anything up here. I don't believe there were adequate tools or technolgy to cut those stones with that kind of precision. Then stacked several stories high !!

 

[wolfie_cr]

I don't have the time to invest to relook at the episodes either. I just watched the show, and have an opinion. I also don't have a razor sharp memory so I can't tell you which epsidoe to look at. if it interests you check it out, it it doesn't so be it. I'm not trying to convince you what to believe. By watching the episodes, it makes sense what they are saying.

Alright, if you cant show me evidence the point is moot then. The episodes are nothing but a money making machine, they probably get good ratings and sell books even if they are nothing but speculation.

In the real world it doesnt matter what you "believe" it matters what IS even if the solution is something boring like "yah, it was all done by us, lots of sweat, lots of ingenuity , there are no good aliens that give their workmanship /help for free to a race that OBVIOUSLY likes to destroy itself for no good reason"

 

[wolfie_cr]

Didn't make anything up here. I don't believe there were adequate tools or technolgy to cut those stones with that kind of precision. Then stacked several stories high !!

what is your background? are you a civil engineer or something???? do you have knowledge on what skills/technology is required to cut stone????

lets get analytical here....how can you assess what is required and then make a judgement of "I dont believe its possible" , to make that judgement you would have to know a little about what its been discussed

Like I said before, if aliens come to Earth in the year 500000 and find nothing but a few artifacts and books they could say "go to the Moon, are you kidding me????? there was a whole continent starving! these idiots? send a man to the Moon??? had COMPUTERS??? give me a break , its totally impossible ...they were slightly better than a worm! "

 

[REDEYE]

what is your background? are you a civil engineer or something???? do you have knowledge on what skills/technology is required to cut stone????

lets get analytical here....how can you assess what is required and then make a judgement of "I dont believe its possible" , to make that judgement you would have to know a little about what its been discussed

Like I said before, if aliens come to Earth in the year 500000 and find nothing but a few artifacts and books they could say "go to the Moon, are you kidding me????? there was a whole continent starving! these idiots? send a man to the Moon??? had COMPUTERS??? give me a break , its totally impossible ...they were slightly better than a worm! "

We don't need to debate what my background is ! Like I said, I'm not going to waste time debating you on this, believe what you want, like i do. We can agree to dsiagree. No harm in that ! It just sounds like I have more of a open mind then you and not afraid of what the possibilities are out there.

 

[The Sports Scientist]

It just sounds like I have more of a open mind then you

Nah, that's really not true

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Didn't make anything up here. I don't believe there were adequate tools or technolgy to cut those stones with that kind of precision. Then stacked several stories high !!

Doesn't really matter if you don't believe they could have cut stones, because they had tools to do it. I believe the cubs should have got an out for fan interference on the Bartman play. Doesn't make the Cubs pennant winners in 2004.

 

[REDEYE]

Doesn't really matter if you don't believe they could have cut stones, because they had tools to do it. I believe the cubs should have got an out for fan interference on the Bartman play. Doesn't make the Cubs pennant winners in 2004.

Does anyone here watch Ancient Alines on the History channel ? yes or no would have been fine......