Disturbing- I've seen at least four thread titles edited by mods the past few days

[wilheim]

At the risk of being repititive but in case Bigbet missed it:


I edit these thread titles for a couple of reasons.

1. if the title is profane or completely inappropriate.

2. title is unfounded internet hearsay and very dangerous regardless of what the subject is. eg. Bodog is spending customer funds on advertising.

3. If the issue is rectified and the poster is satisfied. This usually happens well after the thread has run it's course. This is the most common reason for an edit and usually OK'd by the poster in the thread or by email to me.



wil.

 

[juice]

Why don't the suspect threads just get moved to the rubber room?
I would rather see a thread (including title) remain intact and 100% accurate but moved to less traffic area if it disturbs the mods that much. That way the interested parties can still vent or get their complaints out without fear of being overly censored.
Or maybe create a new forum for bitching about poor sportsbooks.

In my opinion a thread that is started that states all black quarterbacks suck is much more offensive than Bodog spending customer funds on advertising. Just throw all that stuff in the same place and let the posters sort it out, don't edit it.

 

[Insiders]

I have never seen this kind of editing, deleting of posts since 2001, when the idiot " STING" was a mod here.

Well said. Wasnt he a real piece of work. Now him and the "Shrink" together were the real real pieces of work.

 

[maxdemo]

Agree 100% with the thread...too much editing....more than a last year by far...JMO

 

[wilheim]

The Rx. will edit thread titles for the following reasons.

1. if the title is profane or completely inappropriate.

2. title is unfounded internet hearsay and very dangerous regardless of what the subject is. eg. Bodog is spending customer funds on advertising.

3. If the issue is rectified and the poster is satisfied. This usually happens well after the thread has run it's course. This is the most common reason for an edit and usually OK'd by the poster in the thread or by email to me.


I don't understand why anyone should have a problem with these guidelines.

MaxDemo - what editing are you talking about?? Example please.

Juice - the Rubber Room route has been tried as has the separate forum route - both were highly critisized.



wil.

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

The Rx. will edit thread titles for the following reasons.

1. if the title is profane or completely inappropriate.

2. title is unfounded internet hearsay and very dangerous regardless of what the subject is. eg. Bodog is spending customer funds on advertising.

3. If the issue is rectified and the poster is satisfied. This usually happens well after the thread has run it's course. This is the most common reason for an edit and usually OK'd by the poster in the thread or by email to me.


I don't understand why anyone should have a problem with these guidelines.

MaxDemo - what editing are you talking about?? Example please.

Juice - the Rubber Room route has been tried as has the separate forum route - both were highly critisized.



wil.

I like those guidelines wil. Very professional. But I need to translate them to FROGspeak.

1. No using bad words, with our advertisers in the same topic. It is completely inappropriate to badmouth our advertisers, as they pay the bills.

2. Hearsay in a forum? Who would have thunk. Dangerous as in hey, how could that member say something about the hand that feeds us? Better bite him.

3. The original complaintant got bought off fast and quietly as possible, so we need to move on.


I don't have any problems with the guidelines wil, I don't want a visit from Luca.

We tried to hide it somewhere else but were called on it, so now we have guidelines to save our advertisers from unwanted publicity. IE: The complaining kind.

Maybe that will help clear things up wil.

Best Wishes...OF

 

[Dante]

DAMN IT Ofrog....:cryingcry I lost my Over/under bet one when you would post in this thread you took to long sir...now I have to chase to recoup the funds:smoking:

 

[primetime21+]

It's good to see so many of you work for free.
:nopityA:

 

[wilheim]

Let's translate back from Frogese to reality

1. No using bad words, with our advertisers in the same topic. It is completely inappropriate to badmouth our advertisers, as they pay the bills.

Actually the guideline is for all threads including non advertisers as well as advertisers. If you don't think we allow our advertisers to be badmouthed please read the following threads. Just in the last week.

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=340428

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=339876&highlight=bodog

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=339892&highlight=millenium

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=339803&highlight=hollywood

2. Hearsay in a forum? Who would have thunk. Dangerous as in hey, how could that member say something about the hand that feeds us? Better bite him.

Actually it's hearsay as in lies and internet propaganda that has no business being posted here or anywhere else. I am not sure what your opinion of the truth is but I appreciate it in threads that are posted here at The Rx.

3. The original complaintant got bought off fast and quietly as possible, so we need to move on.

That could mean a couple of things.

First the dispute had no merit and the disputer was out of line and backed off totally.

or

Whatever parties were involved did the right thing and all parties were satisfied. Which when you think about it is the goal for almost all mediations. In these cases I am almost always asked by the thread starter to do the edit.


I don't want you to think I do not greatly appreciate the lesson in Frogese because I really do. I was getting a little rusty lately due to your recent and much lamented exodus. Glad to see your back in Frog form.

BTW. How come no email for the two Rx. Golf Shirts I have hanging in my closet with your name on them? You certainly bitched enough about not getting them. Feel free to send me a mailing address at wilheim@therx.com


wil..

 

[Woody0]

The "Bet365 bonus question?" thread started by ensign_lee was edited from a title indicating that bonuses were not being paid and expressing concern about the viabilityof the book after reading posts on a poker forum.

Unfortunately the links provided by ensign_lee were not active and since I had some experience with Bet365 poker when it first opened I thought this might be due to a misunderstanding of their unusual bonus policy. So I suggested that the title be edited.

In this case Jay your beef is with me.

When ensign_lee then posted active links to poker bonuses being withheld I again posted in the thread but did not suggest a re-edit of the title.

It is important to note that the problem involves their poker operation and not their sportsbook.

The poker executive seems to believe that if poker players fold their hand rather than playing it that they are not genuine players but are merely playing for the bonus. So at some level of poker tightness players are deemed non-genuine. This bizarre rule has existed since they started their poker operation. Initially they only counted a player for a raked hand if he put money into the pot but now they have moved to industry norm of counting a player if he is dealt in. Obviously this has impacted their revenue and they are responding by destroying their poker operation.

The rule that has been used to disallow bonuses is:

"7. The offer is available to genuine players only, genuine players being ones that are active /participating in games with the intention of winning pots. Any players who attempt to abuse the offer by contributing only the small/big blinds with no intention to actively participate in games will forfeit the right to claim any bonus chips."

 

[Woody0]

BTW as any successful poker player will tell you the aim of poker is to win money and not to win pots.

 

[ChuckSims]

What about the new poster who said he posted at EOG? That post was edited.

Another poster had a complaint about BoDog. A poster recommended TOW and SBR. I chimed in with EOG, my post was deleted and head mod tells me to stop shilling or I would be banned.

 

[wilheim]

Chuck Sims

Then stop shilling and you won't be banned. Post where ever you want but don't bring that ineterforum drama BS in here.


wil.

 

[go2guy]

Then stop shilling and you won't be banned. Post where ever you want but don't bring that ineterforum drama BS in here.


wil.

Damn, Wil you ok? You seem edgy lately.

 

[wilheim]

Ya I'm OK.. My wife is coming home tonight, she has been in Latin America since before Xmas visiting her family. I have to leave for the airport soon and will not get back until late. Lot's of last minute stuff to do.



wil..:toast:

 

[go2guy]

Cool to hear Wil. Well enjoy yourself and time with your family and take it easy.

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

DAMN IT Ofrog....:cryingcry I lost my Over/under bet one when you would post in this thread you took to long sir...now I have to chase to recoup the funds:smoking:

I needed something definite from wil. Instead of sidestepping he finally posted guidelines. You have to have a worthy quote to have fun with. My complaints about the RX and being controlled by advertisers is nothing new. I file it under the could this be a conflict of interest?

But wil took apart all of my fun countering guideline ridicule with more rules. When you start getting that deep I lose interest. You can't have a perfect forum unless you are King of it. Even then you do not have the commoners viewpoint. You either allow it all, including bad mouthing, racism and garbage posters, or you are led by a drunk who has zero credibility, or the Stalinist approach, which is backed up by neverending rules and regulations. I am afraid starting the wrong worded topic will get you the gulag here. Or a visit from Luca.

There is no perfect world, but Jay and others raise valid points about overediting. Besides all of the rule 6 paragrapgh 12 subsection 92, clause A, I prefer the common sense approach. Hopefully these rules are applied evenly between advertisers and nonadvertisers, or I will unviel my double standard attack. Sorry Dante. Actually I have been mellow FROG as of late.


Best Wishes...OF


PS, wil, more fun bitching and complaining than finally getting the shirts. But I will, wil. Get your wife and chill.

 

[ChuckSims]

Sportsbooks that advertise here come and go. They also go up stiffing RX posters. It will happen again. Guaranteed!

Keep that in mind the next time you edit or delete a post criticizing a sportsbook.

 

[wilheim]

Keep that in mind the next time you edit or delete a post criticizing a sportsbook.

Thanks for advice Chuck, your a beacon of light in a perilous sea of darkness.

more fun bitching and complaining than finally getting the shirts.

Thats kinda what I figured....


wil..:thumbsup2:

 

[bucsfan67]

Keep that in mind the next time you delete a post criticizing a sportsbook.

Amazes me how u always keep saying the same thing, whether its true or not...we DO NOT DELETE posts about advertisers.....A thread title may get edited, or if thread is bogus it will get moved to the "bogus" rubber room, but we do NOT delete threads....but u just keep saying it, hoping it makes it truer....

Guess i should just start following you around, and posting that you stiffed a major book for 20K, and won't pay....I mean, its NOT true, i imagine in person, you probably a pretty nice honest guy, but it doesnt seem to matter if something is true or not, just keep posting if if u want to....

I really dont understand it...If we are so dispicable here, all our books are "shit books" according to you, we delete, edit, censor everything...why would u post here? or hang out? Why do we not hear these complaints from other posters, except the same dozen or so, that are constantly here to only tell us what we do wrong.....

I repeat, WE DO NOT DELETE THREADS....

In fact, one of the first things Wil told us when he took over, was, NEVER delete a thread...We always want proof of what was said, etc...anything that is edited, must be recorded, so we have proof of what it originally said, in case someone says we changed something we didnt....and we were told to NEVER delete a thread....either edit the offensive/racial material, or language, or if thread is real bad, move it to rubber room..

But i am sure none of this matters, cuz it makes it more fun to keep saying the same thing, even if NOT true....