Dissecting the charges against Manafort, exposing some of the idiocy for what it is

[Willie99]

Does the fucking idiot comprehend anything?

Mueller won't even prosecute Manafort for "Conspiracy Against the United States", that's just poppycock to suck in life's losers

Mueller won't even prosecute Manafort for "Money Laundering", another cute charge

Mueller shouldn't waste his time prosecuting Manafort for failing to register as a foreign agent, calling that selective prosecution is being kind. Nobody cares, tens of thousands of swamp dwellers do this and nobody has ever been charged.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, MUELLER WON'T EVEN MENTION RUSSIAN COLLUSION DURING ANY TRIAL, THE FUCKING IDIOTS JUST DON'T KNOW THEY ALREADY LOST

But Mueller may have a case for tax evasion from over a decade ago. That's it

Is it really that difficult to follow along? Seems rather simple to me, then again it may be impossible to comprehend for a mental midget



Willie goes yard, it's tradition

 

[SheriffJoe]

Willie, I'm afraid you're wrong...because the twitter critics and Colbert say so. k:

 

[Willie99]

No charges have been brought against anyone anywhere with respect to Russian Collusion. Mueller's be no-hit, closest he game to reaching first base is when he had a one ball count in one at bat. Thus far it's all no-contact swinging strikes, with a couple of called strikes that buckled his knees.

And the only people charged with any campaign violations, a bunch of Russians, Mueller is stonewalling the judicial process. He knows he's full of shit and his nonsense can't survive in the court of law. He's only good at lying to the public, enabled by his media cohorts.

 

[Willie99]

Hello?

Crickets

 

[Avocado33]

I don't think it's fair to speak of this Manafort crap and try to connect it to this idea that it proves that there wasn't Russian collusion.

I'm a pretty middle-of-the road guy when it comes to political views (I tend to lean right on fiscal issues, and am pretty strongly left on social issues), and feel like that I can speak from an objective viewpoint.

Paul Manafort is a scumbag and deserves to go to jail for the tax evasion alone. I don't think there is enough out there, at least yet, to make any strong, conclusive links between him and Russian collusion. His own personal finance issues are enough to put him away, and deservedly so.


As for the collusion: My feeling is that there was at least pretty clear attempt for the Trump campaign to collude with the Russians before the 2016 elections, and it seems both the Mueller probe and the Senate Intelligence Committee both clearly think that. Is there enough out

You could argue that the collusion, or at least the intention of collusion is not a crime, and I certainly would argue that Russia had nothing to do with the outcome of the election.

A lot of this people in this country were tired of getting ignored, and Trump was able to strike a chord with a lot of those people in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Western PA, etc.

I'll be honest, I voted for Hillary Clinton. With that said, I can't stand when salty Democrats (and Hillary herself) use this Russia thing as an excuse for losing the election. Reality is the Democratic Party has become so disingenuous , banking on minorities to carry the vote and hopefully get them enough votes to win elections. It's just sickening to me, and I can't watch the left embarrass itself. Take a damn look in the mirror.

 

[Willie99]

^^^^^^^^^

Please cite the evidence of collusion you're referring to, because nobody has cited any such thing. Furthermore, everybody with any connection to any investigation into this matter, including EVERY committee member, has said "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION" IF THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION WHEN ASKED.

Stated differently, anyone who answered the question "have you seen any evidence of collusion" has responded by saying NO. Just as important, NOT ONE HAS RESPONDED YES. A few democrats have dodged the question and say stuff like the investigation is ongoing.

Please feel free to post evidence of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

Please don't bore us with bullshit and spin, and please don't stretch communications into collusion. Every candidate, and especially the President Elect, should communicate with key international leaders.



PS: I respect your attempt to have an intelligent conversation on the matter.

 

[Willie99]

And now, an attorney, a Trump hater, a man who thinks Manafort appears to have some serious charges against him (the same charges I said were a concern), says Mueller's witness tampering allegations are BULLSHIT.

SHOCKING, A?

https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has accused Paul Manafort of attempted witness tampering. If the allegations are true, Manafort will have violated the conditions of his release and might have his bail revoked. Judge Amy Berman Jackson has scheduled a hearing on the matter for late next week.
I yield to no one in my disdain for President Trump. And I certainly have no brief for Manafort, who has been accused of laundering tens of millions of dollars from sources connected with Russia and the Ukraine. Thus my overall assessment is that Manafort has some significant legal exposure and that, given his role in the Trump presidential campaign, that exposure is of concern to Trump and of interest to the special counsel.

All that said, I think that the special counsel's allegations of witness tampering are rather ... thin. The FBI agent's declaration in support of the allegations is long on detail about what Manafort and the "Hapsburg Group" did before the elections and short on information about the tampering allegation itself. Drill down into the exhibits and you will see that only one, Exhibit N, is evidence of communications between Manafort and the witnesses he is alleged to have contacted in a tampering effort.

Study that exhibit and you will see that Manafort was successful in speaking to one witness (Person D1) for exactly 1 minute and 24 seconds. He attempted three other phone calls that did not connect and he sent two WhatsApp messages—one a link to an article describing his indictment and the other saying "we should talk." When asked about the contents of the conversation with Manafort, according to paragraph 14 of the FBI declaration, Person D1 said that "Manafort stated that he wanted to give Person D1 a heads-up about Hapsburg" and "D1 immediately ended the call because he was concerned about the outreach."

And that's it. Really. The other part of the allegation is that someone else, Person A, reached out to Person D2 and told D2, in a series of texts that "P" (presumably Paul Manafort) was trying to reach D1 to brief him and that "Basically P wants to give him a quick summary that he says to everybody (which is true) that our friend never lobbied in the US, and the purpose of the program was EU." A month later, Person A reached out directly to D1.
The key to all this is Person D1's perception. He says he thinks that Manafort was trying to suborn his perjury because he knew that the Hapsburg Group had, in fact, lobbied in the United States. Person D2 likewise seemed to think that Manafort was trying to send a message to members of the Hapsburg Group.

But direct evidence against Manafort is almost nonexistent. Saying "we should talk" and "I want to give you an update" or a "heads-up" is hardly the stuff that true witness-tampering charges are made of. And, more to the point, if the entire conversation in which Manfort participated lasted for less than a minute and a half, he'd have to be a very, very fast talker to have accomplished tampering.

 

[Willie99]

Democrats lining up to vote

 

[Greenbacks]

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[Willie99]

Want to make sure intelligent people know the truth

Fucking idiots will always be fucking idiots, until we find a cure

 

[Greenbacks]

:toast:

 

[slapshot]

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[Willie99]

A thread about the truth on the Manafort charges, for intelligent minds only

 

[SheriffJoe]

Friendly reminder for libtards...

NONE of the Manafort charges old and new have anything to do "Russia collusion" or Trump.

Carry on.

 

[Greenbacks]

He keeps calling out Willie in thread titles.

Good will power Willie

 

[Willie99]

He keeps calling out Willie in thread titles.

Good will power Willie

it's actually really easy, I know whatever he's talking about is bullshit & juvenile & inaccurate & just plain stupid

I know there's nothing he can teach me, save for reminding me that I'm a lucky man cause I could be him

And I know and comprehend significantly more about this Mueller investigation than he can even dream about grasping, he's just not worthy

 

[NFLTrends]

it's actually really easy, I know whatever he's talking about is bullshit & juvenile & inaccurate & just plain stupid

I know there's nothing he can teach me, save for reminding me that I'm a lucky man cause I could be him

And I know and comprehend significantly more about this Mueller investigation than he can even dream about grasping, he's just not worthy

He knows the investigation is bullshit tho... I offered him a wager MANY TIMES, that not 1 person during on Trumps campaign, administration or transition team will be charged (doesnt even have to be convicted, just charged) with collusion, and he ran like a bitch from the wager

 

[StevieRay]

Of course

 

[StevieRay]

Born loser

 

[Willie99]

Poor Paulie, Obama's Judge believed he was witness tampering even though there were no actual communications between the two, just a concern by the "witness" that Manafort was trying to tamper

Gotta love Mueller, the man's career proves he has no shame and he'll do anything to destroy people. He and Comey have been admonished before.

I don't know what Paulie did here, he'll have his day in court.

But I do know one thing with absolutely certainty. None of his problems have anything to do with Trump or Russian collusion, and the fucking idiots are just too stupid to know the difference.