colt brennan countdown?

[PuppyChow]

So the same Redskins blockers making holes for Portis all suck when Campbell drops back? Do you think him holding onto the ball forever might effect his sack rate????

Haha. You need to take a class in football 101. "Pass blocking" not the same as "run blocking."

 

[Jstack34]

Ah, welcome to this argument again! Unlike the last thread I started however, I got to watch this gm in its entirety (my GOY). One big reason I liked the NYG so much here was Campbell. Sure, he's serviceable, but that's just the problem. He can not lead this team to victory when the run gm shuts down, or the "D" has trouble. And isn't that what you want from your QB? There wasn't much dropped passes, in fact Eli had to suffer way more of that today than Campbell (Eli's INT was a ball that went right thru WR's hands). Speaking of INT's, my god, how lucky is Campbell to have only 1 today? NYG dropped 3 would-be INT's, and had another called back due to a terrible defensive penalty. So Campbell may have had 5 picks. And I heard the argument brought up that WAS is not blocking for him. With NYG focusing more on the run today, I felt Campbell had really good time to pass. There wasn't a lot of batted balls, or hurries, and NY got 2 of their 4 sacks in the 4th when the gm was pretty much done. Anyway, to only give up 4 sacks to the Giants is impressive for a "has-been" oline.

The main pt here is Campbell by no means was the reason WAS lost today. But he sure isn't helping them win either. This sucks for WAS fans because there's 2 very able, passing QB's on the bench.

Those quarter backs on the bench are not NFL QBs. Why do you think no one gave a contract offer to Todd Collins after going 4-0? Could it be he was a product of Al Saunders sysetm and when asked to win a game vs Seattle in the playoffs-he threw interceptions galore. Colt Brennan really? Able? We've seen him in college and pre-season as a 3rd stringer but lets throw him in there. :nohead:

 

[C-Gold]

Difference between run blocking and pass blocking-look it up

don't you think that big strong probowl lineman that are good at manhandeling defenders are usually good at both?


Chris Samuels is better than Diehl
Rabauch is above average
Thomas is pro bowl caliber

Jansen is more of a run blocker ( most RTs are)

but washington has a very good offensive line. OK, your line isn't as good as the cowboys line, but I don't know what you are complaining about.

If you want to see a shitty O-line, watch a seattle, lions or raiders game. Your line is good.

 

[I_Need_Money]

Ah, welcome to this argument again! Unlike the last thread I started however, I got to watch this gm in its entirety (my GOY). One big reason I liked the NYG so much here was Campbell. Sure, he's serviceable, but that's just the problem. He can not lead this team to victory when the run gm shuts down, or the "D" has trouble. And isn't that what you want from your QB? There wasn't much dropped passes, in fact Eli had to suffer way more of that today than Campbell (Eli's INT was a ball that went right thru WR's hands). Speaking of INT's, my god, how lucky is Campbell to have only 1 today? NYG dropped 3 would-be INT's, and had another called back due to a terrible defensive penalty. So Campbell may have had 5 picks. And I heard the argument brought up that WAS is not blocking for him. With NYG focusing more on the run today, I felt Campbell had really good time to pass. There wasn't a lot of batted balls, or hurries, and NY got 2 of their 4 sacks in the 4th when the gm was pretty much done. Anyway, to only give up 4 sacks to the Giants is impressive for a "has-been" oline.

The main pt here is Campbell by no means was the reason WAS lost today. But he sure isn't helping them win either. This sucks for WAS fans because there's 2 very able, passing QB's on the bench.

Hey slow Campbell backers.

Is this enough of an intelligent and non-racist argument for ya?
Simple....truths.

[/b]Those quarter backs on the bench are not NFL QBs. Why do you think no one gave a contract offer to Todd Collins after going 4-0? Could it be he was a product of Al Saunders sysetm and when asked to win a game vs Seattle in the playoffs-he threw interceptions galore. Colt Brennan really? Able? We've seen him in college and pre-season as a 3rd stringer but lets throw him in there.

Well of course with their record they are not going to do that, but I think the point of what is trying to be said is.....time to move on here soon. You don't agree?

 

[PuppyChow]

There wasn't much dropped passes

7 dropped passes is pretty high if you ask me.

 

[C-Gold]

[/b]Those quarter backs on the bench are not NFL QBs. Why do you think no one gave a contract offer to Todd Collins after going 4-0? Could it be he was a product of Al Saunders sysetm and when asked to win a game vs Seattle in the playoffs-he threw interceptions galore. Colt Brennan really? Able? We've seen him in college and pre-season as a 3rd stringer but lets throw him in there. :nohead:

Todd collins had a qb rating over 100, had a great td int ration, more yards passing per game, better rythem, more wins ( against good teams too). Campbell was healthy enough to play at the end of last year, but Gibbs stuck with the vet.

Collins is old. To simply cast him off as a system qb is a joke.


Jason Campbell in fact had the best or 2nd best rb duo in college football history. If you want to get technical, with Brown, Caddy and Jacobs, he had maybe the most talented backfield in college football history at one point in time .... I'd say that awsome rb combo helped out his career. He isn't a 1st round qb.

 

[WormyPix]

[/B]Those quarter backs on the bench are not NFL QBs. Why do you think no one gave a contract offer to Todd Collins after going 4-0? Could it be he was a product of Al Saunders sysetm and when asked to win a game vs Seattle in the playoffs-he threw interceptions galore. Colt Brennan really? Able? We've seen him in college and pre-season as a 3rd stringer but lets throw him in there. :nohead:

I think you can say Brennan isn't an NFL QB, but quite unfair to say the same about Collins. He is a career backup, but a winning one. He also led game winning drives for WAS in that win streak. He definitely stunk it up @ SEA, but at that time, SEA's "D" was fearsome @ home. Brennan would definitely throw some picks too, but I tell you, I'd much rather have Colt or Todd if I was down a TD, with 2 min left in gm.

 

[C-Gold]

I think you can say Brennan isn't an NFL QB, but quite unfair to say the same about Collins. He is a career backup, but a winning one. He also led game winning drives for WAS in that win streak. He definitely stunk it up @ SEA, but at that time, SEA's "D" was fearsome @ home. Brennan would definitely throw some picks too, but I tell you, I'd much rather have Colt or Todd if I was down a TD, with 2 min left in gm.

campbell is horrible in the 2 min and at the end of games...

How about the Giants game in week 3 of last year that ended because Campbell couldn't get the damn plays off. It ended at the goal line... 1 .. yard... short


How about throwing a pick in the endzone at the end of the tampa game last year?

How about the f-ups at the end of the dallas game... todd collins beat dallas.

How about the f-ups in the eagles 2nd game last year?


campbell is horrible at that.

 

[AlistairCookie]

Campbell beat Dallas and Philly this year.

Colt Brennan is going to be a star in this league, but the Skins will probably sleep on him for too long. Campbell is NOT the answer.

 

[C-Gold]

Campbell beat Dallas and Philly this year.

Colt Brennan is going to be a star in this league, but the Skins will probably sleep on him for too long. Campbell is NOT the answer.

Campbell beat them... really?

It didn't have anything to do with 2 dallas turnovers
145 yards from portis
and 128 yards from portis



Campbell is a game manager, and the redskins aren't good enough to win a sb with simply a game manager. Especially in the east with Eli, Romo and Mcnabb.

 

[PuppyChow]

Campbell beat them... really?

It didn't have anything to do with 2 dallas turnovers
145 yards from portis
and 128 yards from portis



Campbell is a game manager, and the redskins aren't good enough to win a sb with simply a game manager. Especially in the east with Eli, Romo and Mcnabb.

You really aren't that bright. Using your reasoning, Eli is nothing more than a game manager. Hadn't topped 300 yards since early last season until today. His RBs get nearly 170 yards per game. Therefore, Manning doesn't beat anyone.

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[JrBoy]

that fact remains that jason campbell is not the answer!! maybe Colt can be or can't but I know that at a certain point you need to stop babying Campbell! Redskins will be better off without Campbell....

 

[C-Gold]

that fact remains that jason campbell is not the answer!! maybe Colt can be or can't but I know that at a certain point you need to stop babying Campbell! Redskins will be better off without Campbell....

Thank you. Maybe Puppy Chow and the other deadskins fans will realize this. The longer they hold onto Byron Leftwhich, the more painnnnnnnn that organization has.

 

[Jstack34]

Skins fans didnt start this thread saying Jason Campbell was god

 

[duckhunter]

i think its the campbell/zorn countdown.

 

[KidKash]

well campbell certainly isnt the future of the skins in my opinion but in fairness he has had to learn a new offense for about 5 or 6 straight seasons now. the guy holds the ball way too long and doesnt try to get it down field. i expect the redskins to go after mcnabb or cassel in the off season.

 

[Jstack34]

well campbell certainly isnt the future of the skins in my opinion but in fairness he has had to learn a new offense for about 5 or 6 straight seasons now. the guy holds the ball way too long and doesnt try to get it down field. i expect the redskins to go after mcnabb or cassel in the off season.

Dont say that, C-Gold and his buddies will tell you its not true!

 

[C-Gold]

So I am supposed to feel sympathy because Campbell had to learn different offenses his Junior and Senior year of college?????



Hey, don't hold it against the NFL rookie... he had to get adjusted to a new coach and new system.

Don't hold it against the college freshman, he had to adjust to a new scheme.

Don't hold it against the player that had a different coach his junior and senior year of college and is an NFL rookie.... he had to learn 3 systems in 3 years.


Anything to provide an excuse for Campbell. He is like Mike Vick and can do no wrong. When he takes a sack, he has no line, and when he throws a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 8, he has no receivers.


Funny how it worked for Todd Collins last year, and Matt Ryan this year.

 

[KidKash]

c-gold

im not making excuses for campbell at all, i think hes an average at best qb, i think the redskins have given him all the chances in the world to be the qb that would be the future of the franchise. just making the point of him having to adjust to new systems and new coaches every year, no player would be a superstar in that situation, dont see that as saying hes a great qb by any means or feeling sorry for him.

 

[C-Gold]

Well I just see that argument by washington fans all the time. They think that because he had a different offense in Junior year, Senior year, rookie year, and even again that he get's some get out of jail free card.


I've just never really seen a guy get so many excuses. Mike Vick had the most, but the Redskins were always talking about how stacked their team was... we signed randel el, Moss, cooley, portis, thomas, kelly, davis, their line...

but then Campbell fails and you see the blame pointed everywhere. I am supposed to feel bad for him because he changed offenses his junior year in college? I mean, the guy had the most talented RB class in college football in over a decade, and people act like he got a raw deal?

He wasn't even active for most of his rookie year. He got to sit back and take it all in. The Redskins fans want to defend their guy, but if they were smart, they would either let Collins take over to try and win now, or just start rebuilding with Colt Brennan.