royalfan said:
I disagree on his passing. He's not that great of a passer or he would have been the point guard two years ago. He's a decent backup at the point but... he is a good shooter. They just have to define him as a 2 guard when he's on the court with Livingston.
I think Jaric is a great passer...he was their point guard last year until he got hurt.
I think he is the perfect guy to sign right now for the Clippers current situation because he can play both 1 and 2. He was a legit scoring threat when they were playing him at the 2 and Livingston at the point. They were playing extremely well together when the 2 were healthy at the end of the year and on the floor together.
They went 5-5 to end the year, but their 5 losses were:
at Detroit
at San Antonio
vs San Antonio (1 point OT loss)
at Phoenix
at Houston
When this team was healthy, they were very competitive. But again, that is with a lot of depth when they had Livingston, Jaric, Maggette, Simmons, etc.
I think he is the perfect guy to sign right now for the Clippers current situation because he can play both 1 and 2. He was a legit scoring threat when they were playing him at the 2 and Livingston at the point. They were playing extremely well together when the 2 were healthy at the end of the year and on the floor together.
They went 5-5 to end the year, but their 5 losses were:
at Detroit
at San Antonio
vs San Antonio (1 point OT loss)
at Phoenix
at Houston
When this team was healthy, they were very competitive. But again, that is with a lot of depth when they had Livingston, Jaric, Maggette, Simmons, etc.
Tesco Vee said:
I don't know about that...he is a stud. He has been wasting away up in Portland. He is a 20/10 kind of player when given the minutes.
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align=right><NOBR>0.1-0.3</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.259</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>4.8-6.5</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.746</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.0</TD><TD align=right>1.0</TD><TD align=right>2.8</TD><TD align=right>2.5</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>4.2</TD><TD align=right>6.9</TD><TD align=right>2.2</TD><TD align=right>18.7</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccc4><TD align=left><NOBR>97-98</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Van</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>36.0</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>8.0-16.4</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.485</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.3-0.6</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.412</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>6.1-7.8</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.784</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>0.9</TD><TD align=right>3.1</TD><TD align=right>2.5</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.8</TD><TD align=right>4.3</TD><TD align=right>7.1</TD><TD align=right>2.6</TD><TD align=right>22.3</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ecece4><TD align=left><NOBR>98-99</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Van</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>50</TD><TD align=right>50</TD><TD align=right>40.4</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>7.7-17.9</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.432</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.2-0.7</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.306</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>7.4-8.8</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.841</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.4</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>3.7</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.3</TD><TD align=right>5.2</TD><TD align=right>7.5</TD><TD align=right>3.4</TD><TD align=right>23.0</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccc4><TD align=left><NOBR>99-00</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Van</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>39.3</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>7.2-15.6</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.465</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.4-1.2</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.302</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>5.4-6.7</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.809</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>3.0</TD><TD align=right>3.0</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>7.4</TD><TD align=right>10.1</TD><TD align=right>3.3</TD><TD align=right>20.3</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ecece4><TD align=left><NOBR>00-01</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Van</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>81</TD><TD align=right>81</TD><TD align=right>40.0</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>7.5-15.8</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.472</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.1-0.8</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.188</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>5.5-6.6</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.834</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>1.0</TD><TD align=right>2.9</TD><TD align=right>2.9</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.2</TD><TD align=right>6.9</TD><TD align=right>9.1</TD><TD align=right>3.1</TD><TD align=right>20.5</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccc4><TD align=left><NOBR>01-02</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Atl</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>77</TD><TD align=right>77</TD><TD align=right>38.7</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>7.8-16.8</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.461</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.3-0.9</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.300</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>5.4-6.8</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.801</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.3</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>3.2</TD><TD align=right>2.8</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.6</TD><TD align=right>6.5</TD><TD align=right>9.1</TD><TD align=right>3.1</TD><TD 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align=right>.485</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.1-0.4</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.217</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>5.5-6.3</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.880</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>0.8</TD><TD align=right>0.4</TD><TD align=right>2.5</TD><TD align=right>2.8</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>6.7</TD><TD align=right>9.4</TD><TD align=right>2.4</TD><TD align=right>20.1</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ecece4><TD align=left><NOBR>…</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Por</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>22.8</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>3.7-8.3</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.447</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.1-0.3</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.364</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>2.5-3.0</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.832</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>0.8</TD><TD align=right>0.6</TD><TD align=right>1.7</TD><TD align=right>2.3</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>1.5</TD><TD align=right>3.0</TD><TD align=right>4.5</TD><TD align=right>1.5</TD><TD align=right>10.0</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccc4><TD align=left><NOBR>04-05</NOBR></TD><TD align=left>Por</TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>54</TD><TD align=right>49</TD><TD align=right>34.6</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>6.2-12.4</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.503</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.3-0.7</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.385</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>4.1-4.7</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.866</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>0.9</TD><TD align=right>0.5</TD><TD align=right>2.2</TD><TD align=right>2.8</TD><TD align=right>0.1</TD><TD align=right>2.3</TD><TD align=right>5.0</TD><TD align=right>7.3</TD><TD align=right>2.1</TD><TD align=right>16.8</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#aaaaa4><TD align=left><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD align=left> </TD><TD><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>G</TD><TD align=right>GS</TD><TD align=right>MIN</TD><TD align=right>FG</TD><TD align=right>FG%</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>3P</TD><TD align=right>3P%</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>FT</TD><TD align=right>FT%</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>STL</TD><TD align=right>BLK</TD><TD align=right>TO</TD><TD align=right>PF</TD><TD align=right>DQ</TD><TD align=right>OFF</TD><TD align=right>DEF</TD><TD align=right>TOT</TD><TD align=right>AST</TD><TD align=right>PTS</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ecece4><TD align=left><NOBR>Totals</NOBR></TD><TD align=left> </TD><TD width=1><SPACER width="1" type="block"></TD><TD align=right>672</TD><TD align=right>629</TD><TD align=right>37.0</TD><TD align=right><NOBR>7.1-15.2</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.469</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>0.2-0.7</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.306</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right><NOBR>5.4-6.6</NOBR></TD><TD align=right>.816</TD><TD align=right> </TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>0.8</TD><TD align=right>2.8</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>0.0</TD><TD align=right>2.4</TD><TD align=right>5.7</TD><TD align=right>8.1</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>19.8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I would love to add him...but we still need to address our lack of perimeter shooting. But if we could add Abdur-Rahim to a long term deal with Maggette, Brand, and Livingston, it would make things very interesting.
I don't think we will get him...but I would be one happy guy if it happens.
Clip Joint said:
I think you are getting into stats a little too much. The dude is a cancer. He is overrated and loses everywhere he goes. Ask yourself what your goal is for the team over the next 5 years. If it is to win a title like mine would be if I was a Clipper fan, under no circumstance could a long term deal include Rajim. You could make that case with Mobley also, but I agree, I wouldn't sign Mobley to a long term deal. Now if you can get Rajim for a one year deal, then that is different as he will be playing hard for a contract.
royalfan said:
There is a big difference in my eyes of being a cancer and being a guy on teams with no talent. He had no chance of winning in Vancouver and with Atlanta. Give me a guy at SF that will give you 20/10 and I'll take that any day of the week.
Everyone in Portland was a cancer. A change of scenery could be just what he needs.
I think it is a mute point though because Miami, Washington, Sacramento, and the Nets all are interested. I doubt we outbid everyone, and even then, it has been proven that even when the Clippers offer the most money, it doesn't seem to matter.
:sad3:
I can't believe a thread about the fucking Clippers going after CUTTINO MOBLEY and DONYELL MARSHALL gets 30+ posts. What the fuck is going on here? They'd still be on the outside looking in for the playoffs, even with a good coach in Dunleavy and some studs in Brand and Maggette. So why is this such a big deal?
Kwame going to the Lakers for Caron Butler is a bigger issue, in my mind, than this. And not just because I'm a Wizards fan, either. And that also shouldn't be interpreted as that trade being a big issue, because it really isn't. Just bigger than this Clippers crap. Sorry Clip Joint.
Harry Potter > Wizards potential trade
Wizards potential trade > Clippers
so
Harry Potter > Clippers
Welcome back to 7th grade math bitches. Lets reinstate good ol' Harry for the hell of it.
Kwame going to the Lakers for Caron Butler is a bigger issue, in my mind, than this. And not just because I'm a Wizards fan, either. And that also shouldn't be interpreted as that trade being a big issue, because it really isn't. Just bigger than this Clippers crap. Sorry Clip Joint.
Harry Potter > Wizards potential trade
Wizards potential trade > Clippers
so
Harry Potter > Clippers
Welcome back to 7th grade math bitches. Lets reinstate good ol' Harry for the hell of it.
Fat Tony said:
Good scorers maybe, but not good shooters. It's tougher to set up those guys than to play like they do in Phoenix where everyone stands by the three point line while Stoudemire runs down the lane. Jaric is a very savvy player.
Also, the Clippers could definitely use someone like Mobley. Sweet shooter, which they desperately need, and not as bad on D as a lot of people here are saying. When he was on Houston he used to man up on Kobe a lot better than most of the guards in the western conference. Just because he's skinny and a good shooter doesn't mean he can't play defense.
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NETS & SHAREEF PLAY WAIT GAME
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PHOTO ABDUR-RAHIM Jersey's top target.
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July 12, 2005 -- It's not quite the "chicken or egg" dilemma, but it could be as puzzling to resolve. The Nets want Shareef Abdur-Rahim to signal a commitment to them. The free-agent forward wants an offer from the Nets. So what's coming first?
Someone, obviously, will make the first move but until then, both sides are exploring other options.
Abdur-Rahim was in Sacramento yesterday, completing his visit with the Kings while another team, the Clippers, entered the picture, according to his attorney, Aaron Goodwin.
The Nets, considered the front-runners, await word from the 6-foot-9 forward that they are his team of choice, but are forging "just in case" scenarios that have Stromile Swift as the target after Abdur-Rahim, with Donyell Marshall third.
"There's still a lot of work to be done," said Goodwin. "The Nets are in a comfortable position, but they must understand they need to offer six years and the full financial amount that entails. He already has turned down $47 million from Milwaukee."
And that is where the Clippers enter the scene. The Bucks are using that money on Clipper forward Bobby Simmons, so L.A. now is looking at Abdur-Rahim. The Clips, who may get a visit from Abdur-Rahim, join the Heat, Wizards, Kings and Nets as suitors.
Goodwin said his client "might" take other trips, but none is scheduled. Abdur-Rahim has said he wants his decision resolved by the end of this week.
NETS & SHAREEF PLAY WAIT GAME
By FRED KERBER
PHOTO ABDUR-RAHIM Jersey's top target.
Email Archives
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July 12, 2005 -- It's not quite the "chicken or egg" dilemma, but it could be as puzzling to resolve. The Nets want Shareef Abdur-Rahim to signal a commitment to them. The free-agent forward wants an offer from the Nets. So what's coming first?
Someone, obviously, will make the first move but until then, both sides are exploring other options.
Abdur-Rahim was in Sacramento yesterday, completing his visit with the Kings while another team, the Clippers, entered the picture, according to his attorney, Aaron Goodwin.
The Nets, considered the front-runners, await word from the 6-foot-9 forward that they are his team of choice, but are forging "just in case" scenarios that have Stromile Swift as the target after Abdur-Rahim, with Donyell Marshall third.
"There's still a lot of work to be done," said Goodwin. "The Nets are in a comfortable position, but they must understand they need to offer six years and the full financial amount that entails. He already has turned down $47 million from Milwaukee."
And that is where the Clippers enter the scene. The Bucks are using that money on Clipper forward Bobby Simmons, so L.A. now is looking at Abdur-Rahim. The Clips, who may get a visit from Abdur-Rahim, join the Heat, Wizards, Kings and Nets as suitors.
Goodwin said his client "might" take other trips, but none is scheduled. Abdur-Rahim has said he wants his decision resolved by the end of this week.
Clip Joint said:
A sports gambling site and you want to talk Harry Potter...more power to you man. I didn't understand much of your post anyway. I'm not much of a reader...especially books meant for junior high level readers. :toast:
I'm just messing around...and for the record, I agree with you about Jaric, he's gonna be good for a while...which is why the Clips won't re-sign him. Because it'd make TOO much sense.
But yeah, just giving you a hard time...I'll have the last laugh when Harry wastes your ass, though.
