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I think you're being a bit ignorant with this statement. Professional card counters are *always* aware of the image that they are trying to
portray, and how their moves appear to the "eye-in-the-sky." They know pretty damned well how much they can get away with, and what
kind of action is going to get them booted.

So, for a professional counter, it's not about being shy or bold, it's being aware of how much they can get away with. It's a whole
cat-and-mouse game, as I'm sure you are aware, and at times, I've made non-counter type moves/plays, just to try and throw
off the pit. It happens all the time, and many books have been written about it (i.e. cover plays, and disguising counting).


Ive seen it both ways, run across players tagged adv that are yearly losers and others that have passed rundowns and surv claimed are not advantage players but i believe to be. A true card counter in my mind is profitable enough at it to not need a day job. Not saying you have to make thousands a day, but can easily make a few $$$ each day to live a 50k a yr life off of it.
 

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Can be true, alot of times its just required. Here if players touch the cards they have to be changed every 6 hours. We normally do the whole pit at the same time, so if they only change your table and your winning, you are probably correct


Casinos actually change dealers on purpose when players get hot ?
 

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FZ wish we would have played some BJ in Lake Charles
 
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Ive seen it both ways, run across players tagged adv that are yearly losers and others that have passed rundowns and surv claimed are not advantage players but i believe to be. A true card counter in my mind is profitable enough at it to not need a day job. Not saying you have to make thousands a day, but can easily make a few $$$ each day to live a 50k a yr life off of it.

When I was active at it, I was good enough to not need a day job, but chose to only do it as a hobby... especially since I don't live near any casinos, and
it's not the lifestyle I wanted raising a family. The fact that I did it part time made me not a true counter? BS. I rarely play BJ anymore for lots of reasons:
Too many shitty BJ games out there with CSMs, 6-5 BJ, bad rules, and paranoia about counters. Shit, I used to spread $10 -> $100 in Tunica, and
no one would bat an eye, and they'd pay all my meals and hotel on top of it. Those situations are very few and far between now... besides I have a lot
more fun playing poker.
 

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We had a guy in from Tn a few months back that turned out to be a card counter. Came off a little like rain man, he was just socially akward, had a dirty polo on that didnt cover all his gut. By the time i came in and was up almost 200k on his trip, before they limited his blackjack play. Even on 6 decks. He was getting two hands and kill it. He wondered over to mini bac and played $1000-10000 a hand, i asked why he was still gambling and he said bc they took blackjack away. He only left up about 13k on the trip
 
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When I was active at it, I was good enough to not need a day job, but chose to only do it as a hobby... especially since I don't live near any casinos, and
it's not the lifestyle I wanted raising a family. The fact that I did it part time made me not a true counter? BS. I rarely play BJ anymore for lots of reasons:
Too many shitty BJ games out there with CSMs, 6-5 BJ, bad rules, and paranoia about counters. Shit, I used to spread $10 -> $100 in Tunica, and
no one would bat an eye, and they'd pay all my meals and hotel on top of it. Those situations are very few and far between now... besides I have a lot
more fun playing poker.

Actually, I should say that I don't think I could have made enough $ as a counter to raise a family, but I could have made a living at it as a single guy.
 
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We had a guy in from Tn a few months back that turned out to be a card counter. Came off a little like rain man, he was just socially akward, had a dirty polo on that didnt cover all his gut. By the time i came in and was up almost 200k on his trip, before they limited his blackjack play. Even on 6 decks. He was getting two hands and kill it. He wondered over to mini bac and played $1000-10000 a hand, i asked why he was still gambling and he said bc they took blackjack away. He only left up about 13k on the trip

Sounds like he's not a true advantage player if he's throwing all that money away at a -EV game like baccarat.
 

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Fz- what im saying is nobody would waste time at it not to turn enough profit to be worth their time. My belief is the ones ive encountered lately are a traveling group playing together. All in same age group, all from the same state (not mine). All use the same betting pattern. They are overly aggressive because they are probably trying to max out profit before heading to another city/casinos
 

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Sounds like he's not a true advantage player if he's throwing all that money away at a -EV game like baccarat.

He was a confirmed counter by two other brands and our surv rundown, like i said the guy was a little bit off. Some type of disability like autisim.
 
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Fz- what im saying is nobody would waste time at it not to turn enough profit to be worth their time. My belief is the ones ive encountered lately are a traveling group playing together. All in same age group, all from the same state (not mine). All use the same betting pattern. They are overly aggressive because they are probably trying to max out profit before heading to another city/casinos

Well, they can push it as far as they like if they're not planning on coming back, but that seems foolish to me, especially is y'all share your
database with other casinos.
 
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He was a confirmed counter by two other brands and our surv rundown, like i said the guy was a little bit off. Some type of disability like autisim.

Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't counting, I'm just saying he lacks the discipline that a really skilled advantage player would have (staying away from -EV games).
 

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That will cause them to lose money on so many levels

Oh i agree, but people are supersticious. Youbcan have a lifetime person down 60k and be up 5k on the day. Depending on who you tell, the first question can be, whose dealing to them, followed by who they want sent over
 

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Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't counting, I'm just saying he lacks the discipline that a really skilled advantage player would have (staying away from -EV games).

Yea discipline can be found in very few. He told me he would just go to another casino and get it back
 

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Well, they can push it as far as they like if they're not planning on coming back, but that seems foolish to me, especially is y'all share your
database with other casinos.

They share locally and of course company wide. I do not understand why these groups are getting reward cards, as it makes them easier to track
 

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They have a great app called card counter that really teaches you how to count.

its really fun and you treat the app like a game but at the same time it really teaches you how to count.

it simulates actually going to the casino and facing all the situations like you would in real life.

The app teaches 3 different kinds of counting methods .

Im all the way to expert.

I haven't gone to a casino yet to do it in real life but I'm 100% confident I can count with the best of them now because of the app
con
 

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zit. isn't a 1% edge on a $100 bet with 40 hands per hour = $40/hr EV?
FYI counting isn't that hard, but remaining focused, disciplined, and not
being noticed by any floorman/software/security is quite hard and is really
an art form in itself. the huge events like a major boxing match for example,
which bring out throngs of bigger betting squares, are the best disguise for
a card counter.
 

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