can we finally put the brady manning talk to bed

[PatsFan1283]

If Indy lost Manning 5 years ago and replaced him with a decent QB like Cassel then yeah they probably could grind out 8-8 or so.

Indy WITH Manning wasn't even very good last year. They struggled to get to 10-6 in a total crap division.

The OL, running game and D all aren't what they were for indy during their prime years of 05-09. With Manning this team was probably looking at 10-6ish, w/o yeah its gonna be rough like 3-13 probably.

Whereas when the Pats won 16 with Brady vs a tough schedule and then lost him and won 11 the next year with an easy schedule (they pretty much lost to every good team they played that year) they had a decent NFL QB (albiet 1 who will probably get exposed pretty soon) but he has had 2 good years (1 with NE/1 with KC)

So saying NE w/o Brady = solid and Indy w/o Manning = terrible is not comparing apples to apples.

Lets see how NE would've done w/o Brady in 05 or 06. 05 their D was terrible cause injuries and 06 their O kinda sucked and he carried them to being solid.

 

[festeringZit]

Where did that guy go that says all Brady does is dink and dunk- This is from cnnsi.Grant it they did leave out the most important Jets game last year....

But to truly appreciate how deadly effective Brady has been at matriculating the ball down the field in recent games, compare his last half-season of football to the careers of the five most prolific passers (based upon total yards) in NFL history:
• Brady has topped 10.5 YPA 5 times in his last 8 games
• Peyton Manning topped 10.5 YPA 17 times in 208 career games
• Warren Moon topped 10.5 YPA 13 times in 208 career games
• John Elway topped 10.5 YPA 12 times in 234 career games.
• Brett Favre topped 10.5 YPA 12 times in 302 career games
• Dan Marino topped 10.5 YPA 8 times in 242 career games


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/09/21/tom.brady/index.html#ixzz1Ybzjl06L​

The guy who said that all Brady does is dink and dunk is gtc08. He's built a name for himself around here, and not in a positive way.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[Defying]

I've given you NUMBERS to back up why Manning is better than Brady...

Can some of Brady's supporters give numbers to back their argument up...

And sure the Super Bowl Rings counts as ONE argument... but what else you have?

 

[EasyMoney]

I've given you NUMBERS to back up why Manning is better than Brady...

Can some of Brady's supporters give numbers to back their argument up...

And sure the Super Bowl Rings counts as ONE argument... but what else you have?

This whole thread is possibly the dumbest argument in the history of the RX. 9 pages of arguing who is the better qb when both are top 5 all time. Who cares. Its close and their both great. But if you really want numbers to back the Brady argument here goes.

Mannings record 141-67 68% wins
Bradys record 113-32 78% wins

Mannning playoff record 9-10
Brady Playoff record 14-5

By the way, if Brady has 4 more years even close to his last 4 (and it doesn't look like he is slowing down) he will blow by Mannings TD numbers and still have way way less int's. You think Manning is better because he averages 20 more passing yards a game? did you mention he also has thrown the ball more than brady has?

You really don't think the super bowl rings and playoff wins matter? really. Its all that matters. Why is Jordan the best ever. 6 rings. If Marino had even 2 everybody would call him the best ever.

 

[festeringZit]

This whole thread is possibly the dumbest argument in the history of the RX. 9 pages of arguing who is the better qb when both are top 5 all time. Who cares. Its close and their both great. But if you really want numbers to back the Brady argument here goes.

Mannings record 141-67 68% wins
Bradys record 113-32 78% wins

Mannning playoff record 9-10
Brady Playoff record 14-5

By the way, if Brady has 4 more years even close to his last 4 (and it doesn't look like he is slowing down) he will blow by Mannings TD numbers and still have way way less int's. You think Manning is better because he averages 20 more passing yards a game? did you mention he also has thrown the ball more than brady has?

You really don't think the super bowl rings and playoff wins matter? really. Its all that matters. Why is Jordan the best ever. 6 rings. If Marino had even 2 everybody would call him the best ever.

Mannings record 141-67 68% wins
Bradys record 113-32 78% wins

Mannning playoff record 9-10
Brady Playoff record 14-5

Hard to argue with that.

 

[PatsFanatic]

Mannings best year stat wise...336 out of 497, 67.6%, 4,557, 9.17 yd. AVG, 49 TD's, 10 Int's, 121.1
Brady's best year stat wise......398 our of 578, 68.9%, 4,806, 8.32 yd. AVG, 50 TD's, 8 Int's, 117.2

 

[Defying]

This whole thread is possibly the dumbest argument in the history of the RX. 9 pages of arguing who is the better qb when both are top 5 all time. Who cares. Its close and their both great. But if you really want numbers to back the Brady argument here goes.

Mannings record 141-67 68% wins
Bradys record 113-32 78% wins

Mannning playoff record 9-10
Brady Playoff record 14-5

By the way, if Brady has 4 more years even close to his last 4 (and it doesn't look like he is slowing down) he will blow by Mannings TD numbers and still have way way less int's. You think Manning is better because he averages 20 more passing yards a game? did you mention he also has thrown the ball more than brady has?

You really don't think the super bowl rings and playoff wins matter? really. Its all that matters. Why is Jordan the best ever. 6 rings. If Marino had even 2 everybody would call him the best ever.

Those that consider Jordan the best ever have MANYYY more reasons that 6 rings....

And 20 yards a game sounds like a little until you realize that if Brady keeps up that pace, he will have 4,000 LESS yards than Manning in the same number of games.. Thats an entire season... 20 yards a game is a ton over 200 games is a big difference...

To say he has thrown the ball more than Brady is somewhat misleading. On average he has 2.1 more throws a game. Not completions, attempts.. All this says is the yard difference IS a big difference...

 

[PatsFanatic]

Those that consider Jordan the best ever have MANYYY more reasons that 6 rings....

And 20 yards a game sounds like a little until you realize that if Brady keeps up that pace, he will have 4,000 LESS yards than Manning in the same number of games.. Thats an entire season... 20 yards a game is a ton over 200 games is a big difference...

To say he has thrown the ball more than Brady is somewhat misleading. On average he has 2.1 more throws a game. Not completions, attempts.. All this says is the yard difference IS a big difference...

And then one could argue that Manning piled those up in junk games he way trying to make come backs in...earlier in his career. You know against prevent defenses.

This argument could go on and on.

 

[Defying]

Mannings record 141-67 68% wins
Bradys record 113-32 78% wins

Mannning playoff record 9-10
Brady Playoff record 14-5

Hard to argue with that.

Not really....

I've done the research... DEFENSES HELP WIN GAMES...

There is only a 10% difference in their winning percentage...

Between 2000 and 2010, Tom brady's Years
The Patriots Defense allowed 17.9 PPG

Between 1998 and 2010, Mannings Years
The Colts Defense allowed 21.3

Those 3 points would equate the 10% differnce if not more! I would say 20%+

 

[Defying]

Not really....

I've done the research... DEFENSES HELP WIN GAMES...

There is only a 10% difference in their winning percentage...

Between 2000 and 2010, Tom brady's Years
The Patriots Defense allowed 17.9 PPG

Between 1998 and 2010, Mannings Years
The Colts Defense allowed 21.3

Those 3 points would equate the 10% differnce if not more! I would say 20%+

2010
Pats #9 19.6
Colts #23 24.2

2009
Pats #5 17.8
Colts #8 19.2

2008
Pats #8 19.3
Colts #7 18.6

2007
Pats #4 17.2
Colts #3 16.4

2006
Pats #2 14.8
Colts#24 22.5

2005
Pats #17 21.1
Colts #2 15.4

2004
Pats #2 16.2
Colts #18 21.9

2003
Pats #1 14.9
Colts #19 21

2002
Pats #16 21.6
Colts #7 19.6

2001
Pats #5 17
colts #32 30.2

2000
Colts #15 20.4

1999
Colts #17 20.8

1998
Colts #31 27.8

Here's the data to back up my research. # is league rank, followed by PPG allowed

 

[Defying]

And then one could argue that Manning piled those up in junk games he way trying to make come backs in...earlier in his career. You know against prevent defenses.

This argument could go on and on.

The ONLY year you could be talking about his his Rookie year at 3-13... terrible arguement

 

[EasyMoney]

Those that consider Jordan the best ever have MANYYY more reasons that 6 rings....

And 20 yards a game sounds like a little until you realize that if Brady keeps up that pace, he will have 4,000 LESS yards than Manning in the same number of games.. Thats an entire season... 20 yards a game is a ton over 200 games is a big difference...

To say he has thrown the ball more than Brady is somewhat misleading. On average he has 2.1 more throws a game. Not completions, attempts.. All this says is the yard difference IS a big difference...

OK lets put this another way then. If Jordan had 0 rings how many people would say he is the best ever? the answer is zero. He is widely considered the best ever in large part because of those rings. And Brady has 3 times as many as peyton in less years in the league. Not to mention a superior playoff record. And btw the talent level of the skilled position players around them isn't even close. With the exception of moss for a couple years and welker Brady has had a bunch of nobodys at WR, TE and RB. manning has had Harrison, Wayne, dallas clark and edge.

 

[Defying]

THIS IS WHAT KILLS ME ABOUT THIS ARGUMENT...

Brady is a top 5 QB of all time.. But Manning is a CLEAR #1... it's not even that close...

All the Brady supporters are talking about TEAM achievements... Am I saying, they would of had the same success without Brady. NO. As mentioned he is a top#5 QB on my all time list... He is GREAT

But Mannings has done it LONGER and BETTER when you measure stats which is the ONLY way you can measure it.

 

[HuskerFan1]

i posted the 3 best reasons in a previous page....

10 postseason wins ina row

TWENTY ONE regular season and postseason wins a row

QB is the leader of the team. teams can obv drop a game here and there on special teams or a recording breaking day from a rb etc but for the most part you need a guy behind center who does not give the game away (see luke mccown last week vs the jets 4 int basically cost them any chance at winning the game)

brady and the pats won 21 games in a row (its mindboggling) b/c he doesnt make mistakes......any of those close games it was close or they trailed he lead them to the W....twenty one in a row!

manning had a shot to cement his place in history vs the saints and he got PIC 6ed!!! 74 yards the other way....brady on the other hand was trailing late in 4th Q of superbowl XLII and brady did what he always does he lead his team down the field from behind to grab the lead with <3 minutes to go in the game....his defense coughed it up! and it cost him his 4th ring....do you not see the difference in these 2 qb's....

wait till he blows thru marino's 5K passing this year....im sure all these brady haters still gonna be spouting the same bullshit

 

[Defying]

OK lets put this another way then. If Jordan had 0 rings how many people would say he is the best ever? the answer is zero. He is widely considered the best ever in large part because of those rings. And Brady has 3 times as many as peyton in less years in the league. Not to mention a superior playoff record. And btw the talent level of the skilled position players around them isn't even close. With the exception of moss for a couple years and welker Brady has had a bunch of nobodys at WR, TE and RB. manning has had Harrison, Wayne, dallas clark and edge.

Good QB's can MAKE GREAT OFFENSIVE PLAYERS...
Harrison would of be average without Manning... Clark was a game changer yes.. But Garcon? One of the many no bodies Peyton made great..

Tom Brady has made jsut as many great receivers.. Ie Branch.. if Branch was anywhere else average...

I think BOTH of these QB's have lacked talented on the offensive side of the ball.. They BOTH made the players around them better...

THE DIFFERENCE WAS DEFENSE>... Brady's D only allowed 18 PPG... Mannings D 21! That a BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[HuskerFan1]

here's your greatest QB of all time lmfao....ONLY TURNOVER of SB 44.....

TOM BRADY NEVER MAKES THIS THROW LOL....totally telegraphed it....

 

[EasyMoney]

Those that consider Jordan the best ever have MANYYY more reasons that 6 rings....

And 20 yards a game sounds like a little until you realize that if Brady keeps up that pace, he will have 4,000 LESS yards than Manning in the same number of games.. Thats an entire season... 20 yards a game is a ton over 200 games is a big difference...

To say he has thrown the ball more than Brady is somewhat misleading. On average he has 2.1 more throws a game. Not completions, attempts.. All this says is the yard difference IS a big difference...

BTW, I suppose you don't also take into account the fact that Manning plays a minimum of 8 games in a dome each year while Brady plays outside and in cold weather and snow for 6 to 8 weeks a year. That might be just part of the reason for the big 20 yard difference per game. Just saying maybe. Dont you think?

 

[Defying]

BTW, I suppose you don't also take into account the fact that Manning plays a minimum of 8 games in a dome each year while Brady plays outside and in cold weather and snow for 6 to 8 weeks a year. That might be just part of the reason for the big 20 yard difference per game. Just saying maybe. Dont you think?

Fair Argument... but it doesn't mean that Brady > Manning..

Super Bowl rings is a fair argument but its the ONLY advantage he has IMO...

 

[Defying]

i posted the 3 best reasons in a previous page....

10 postseason wins ina row

TWENTY ONE regular season and postseason wins a row

QB is the leader of the team. teams can obv drop a game here and there on special teams or a recording breaking day from a rb etc but for the most part you need a guy behind center who does not give the game away (see luke mccown last week vs the jets 4 int basically cost them any chance at winning the game)

brady and the pats won 21 games in a row (its mindboggling) b/c he doesnt make mistakes......any of those close games it was close or they trailed he lead them to the W....twenty one in a row!

manning had a shot to cement his place in history vs the saints and he got PIC 6ed!!! 74 yards the other way....brady on the other hand was trailing late in 4th Q of superbowl XLII and brady did what he always does he lead his team down the field from behind to grab the lead with <3 minutes to go in the game....his defense coughed it up! and it cost him his 4th ring....do you not see the difference in these 2 qb's....

wait till he blows thru marino's 5K passing this year....im sure all these brady haters still gonna be spouting the same bullshit

ALL Team Achievements... besides the pick...We are talking individual vs individual and manning wins that argument.

I agree Brady is top 5.. But to put him above Manning, regardless where you have him is insane...

BTW I DONT LIKE THE COLTS OR THE PATS.. COMPLETELY UNBIAS OPINION

 

[EasyMoney]

Fair Argument... but it doesn't mean that Brady > Manning..

Super Bowl rings is a fair argument but its the ONLY advantage he has IMO...

OK so what your argument? that mannings numbers are better? Because really they aren't if you take into account Brady has played about 4 less seasons than Manning has. Lets take bradys average numbers and add 4 more years of him playing and see what numbers he has then. I think we can both agree that Brady will put up great numbers for atleast 4 more year and when he does he would have more td's than peyton with still far fewer int's. One of them has played in 208 games and the other has played in 145. Of course mannings numbers are higher, he has played in 63 more games, but just cause his numbers are higher doesn't make him better