California becomes first state to mandate solar panels on new homes

[NorthernStar]

Are you an advocate of everyone being forced to drive an electric car?

Every state has building codes. When they change a building code it may require additional cost. Requiring solar would be no different. The one difference than some other new building code is this one would actually result in a saving long term.

In terms of electric cars the market will determine the winners and losers. The eventual winner will be electric cars. Just like eventually driverless cars will be the winner.

 

[NorthernStar]

This is the entire point. The state is infringing on people's rights as homeowners. This kind of story is the exact reason people are leaving California in droves.

Leaving in droves? I dont think you have your facts straight. Doesnt help your case when it is based solely on opinion and made up facts.

 

[Enfuego]

Every state has building codes. When they change a building code it may require additional cost. Requiring solar would be no different. The one difference than some other new building code is this one would actually result in a saving long term.

In terms of electric cars the market will determine the winners and losers. The eventual winner will be electric cars. Just like eventually driverless cars will be the winner.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Having building codes and changing those codes are not the same as forcing someone to install and use solar energy.

Maybe driving electric cars will be great but that should be up to a consumer not forced on us by a state.

 

[NorthernStar]

This is the entire point. The state is infringing on people's rights as homeowners. This kind of story is the exact reason people are leaving California in droves.

Here is a different solution. You can build any kind of house you want in California on your land and your money. But when there is a rolling black out the first houses without power will be any that have been built after 2020 without solar. Problem solved.

 

[Enfuego]

Leaving in droves? I dont think you have your facts straight. Doesnt help your case when it is based solely on opinion and made up facts.

Facts or opinions? You be the judge.

While the U.S. population grew by 0.7% in 2016, the population of Pennsylvania shrank by 0.1%. The change was largely due to the large number of Pennsylvanians who moved out of the state that year. Approximately 45,600 more Americans moved out of Pennsylvania to another part of the country than moved in — the largest domestic outflow of any state other than New Jersey, California, Illinois, and New York.

 

[Enfuego]

Here is a different solution. You can build any kind of house you want in California on your land and your money. But when there is a rolling black out the first houses without power will be any that have been built after 2020 without solar. Problem solved.

Sounds good. As long as the homeowner knows that prior to building. No problem.

 

[NorthernStar]

You're comparing apples and oranges. Having building codes and changing those codes are not the same as forcing someone to install and use solar energy.

Maybe driving electric cars will be great but that should be up to a consumer not forced on us by a state.

Building codes change all of the time. You should stop before you prove anymore that you dont know what you are talking about.

 

[NorthernStar]

Facts or opinions? You be the judge.

While the U.S. population grew by 0.7% in 2016, the population of Pennsylvania shrank by 0.1%. The change was largely due to the large number of Pennsylvanians who moved out of the state that year. Approximately 45,600 more Americans moved out of Pennsylvania to another part of the country than moved in — the largest domestic outflow of any state other than New Jersey, California, Illinois, and New York.

Population 39,700,000 expected to grow past 40,000,000 in 2019. Last census in 2010 population was 37,000,000. Grew by 300,000 in 2016. Judge says you are wrong.

 

[Enfuego]

Building codes change all of the time. You should stop before you prove anymore that you dont know what you are talking about.

Building codes are not solar panels.

Don't know what I'm talking about? Like you thinking people aren't leaving California? Someone should stop while they're ahead and it isn't me.

 

[Enfuego]

Population 39,700,000 expected to grow past 40,000,000 in 2019. Last census in 2010 population was 37,000,000. Grew by 300,000 in 2016. Judge says you are wrong.

I'm wrong or the data reported is wrong? I did't make it up dude.

 

[Enfuego]

Population 39,700,000 expected to grow past 40,000,000 in 2019. Last census in 2010 population was 37,000,000. Grew by 300,000 in 2016. Judge says you are wrong.

California’s population grew at a rate of 0.7% in 2017. This is a slightly quicker pace than the prior year, but the overall trend since 2009 is a declining growth rate. The annual rate of population growth is usually closer to 1%.

http://journal.firsttuesday.us/golden-state-population-trends/9007/

 

[ERockMoney]

California’s population grew at a rate of 0.7% in 2017. This is a slightly quicker pace than the prior year, but the overall trend since 2009 is a declining growth rate. The annual rate of population growth is usually closer to 1%.

http://journal.firsttuesday.us/golden-state-population-trends/9007/

It’s a common misconception people are fleeing California in droves, something many media sites spoon feed to their viewers. The CA population has continued to grow year over year, but you are accurate the growth rate has significantly declined, but there is still growth. The declining growth rate certainly could be attributed in some way to the things you suggest, but there are also countless other factors that could be associated as well.

 

[NorthernStar]

California’s population grew at a rate of 0.7% in 2017. This is a slightly quicker pace than the prior year, but the overall trend since 2009 is a declining growth rate. The annual rate of population growth is usually closer to 1%.

http://journal.firsttuesday.us/golden-state-population-trends/9007/

so you now agree with me in regards to the population growing and they are not leaving in droves?

 

[NorthernStar]

It’s a common misconception people are fleeing California in droves, something many media sites spoon feed to their viewers. The CA population has continued to grow year over year, but you are accurate the growth rate has significantly declined, but there is still growth. The declining growth rate certainly could be attributed in some way to the things you suggest, but there are also countless other factors that could be associated as well.

it would be hard for a large population like California to grow at a rate of 4 percent like in the 50's. Great weather and jobs are a positives that will attract and keep people. High cost of living and the negatives of large population will not be a lifestyle for many.

 

[Enfuego]

so you now agree with me in regards to the population growing and they are not leaving in droves?

The overall trend since 2009 is a declining growth rate in the state of California. I can't make it any clearer than that.

 

[Enfuego]

It’s a common misconception people are fleeing California in droves, something many media sites spoon feed to their viewers. The CA population has continued to grow year over year, but you are accurate the growth rate has significantly declined, but there is still growth. The declining growth rate certainly could be attributed in some way to the things you suggest, but there are also countless other factors that could be associated as well.

What are the things contributing to a decline in growth in your opinion?

 

[Acebb]

so you now agree with me in regards to the population growing and they are not leaving in droves?

The growth is coming from illegal immigrants.

Please keep clapping.

 

[Acebb]

how is it different than a building code? It isnt

It is different because building codes usually come from the county.

 

[Acebb]

Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers


During that 12-month period, California saw a net loss of just over 138,000 people, while Texas had a net increase of more than 79,000 people. Arizona gained more than 63,000 residents, and Nevada gained more than 38,000.




^ Adding $10,000 (it is more like 25K) to the costs of a newly constructed home and raising the gas tax (again) will surely help.

 

[Enfuego]

Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers


During that 12-month period, California saw a net loss of just over 138,000 people, while Texas had a net increase of more than 79,000 people. Arizona gained more than 63,000 residents, and Nevada gained more than 38,000.




^ Adding $10,000 (it is more like 25K) to the costs of a newly constructed home and raising the gas tax (again) will surely help.

But why in the world would you want to prove the point with facts haha?