the biggest thing to remember about BJ is you can do everything right - but if ONE person does something wrong - the whole table pays the price.
i've been at tables where the dealer had an up card of a "5". everyone with a hand of 12 - or more - stayed. that is except for the ditzy broad sitting at "3rd base." she took a hit - and busted on her 14 when the dealer gave her a 10. the dealer than revealed his cards and showed a 15. he then dealth himself a "5" and just about everyone at the table lost due to this asshole woman. we all got very upset at her and told her what she did wrong. she nodded her head and understood.
the VERY NEXT hand, same thing. dealer had a "6" showing - so all of us with hands 12 or more stayed. once again - all but her. she took a hit on her 15 - busted and took the dealer's bust card - because the dealer dealt himself a "7" to go with his 13 - and beat us all again. we asked the woman why she did that - and she said he might have had an ace under and she couldn't take the chance.
there were 6 of us at the table. after she did this that second time, EVERYONE got up and left. i vividly recall asking her if she worked for the casino. she asked why i would ask that. i told her because you are killing us and no one makes stupid moves like that 2 times in a row unless they work for the house. she sat there dumbfounded as well left. i am convinced she STILL has no clue what she did wrong.
because of this - if i can see people at a table who are clueless - i will skip that table. i can do everything right - but they can f**k me over.
this is why i like craps - because unlike BJ - your stupidity won't cost me any money - only you.
i've been at tables where the dealer had an up card of a "5". everyone with a hand of 12 - or more - stayed. that is except for the ditzy broad sitting at "3rd base." she took a hit - and busted on her 14 when the dealer gave her a 10. the dealer than revealed his cards and showed a 15. he then dealth himself a "5" and just about everyone at the table lost due to this asshole woman. we all got very upset at her and told her what she did wrong. she nodded her head and understood.
the VERY NEXT hand, same thing. dealer had a "6" showing - so all of us with hands 12 or more stayed. once again - all but her. she took a hit on her 15 - busted and took the dealer's bust card - because the dealer dealt himself a "7" to go with his 13 - and beat us all again. we asked the woman why she did that - and she said he might have had an ace under and she couldn't take the chance.
there were 6 of us at the table. after she did this that second time, EVERYONE got up and left. i vividly recall asking her if she worked for the casino. she asked why i would ask that. i told her because you are killing us and no one makes stupid moves like that 2 times in a row unless they work for the house. she sat there dumbfounded as well left. i am convinced she STILL has no clue what she did wrong.
because of this - if i can see people at a table who are clueless - i will skip that table. i can do everything right - but they can f**k me over.
this is why i like craps - because unlike BJ - your stupidity won't cost me any money - only you.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by winkyduck:
the biggest thing to remember about BJ is you can do everything right - but if ONE person does something wrong - the whole table pays the price.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ridiculous.
Other people at the table have ZERO CONTROL over whether you win or lose. The idiot on third base could split tens, double down on 17, and stay on soft 16... none of that affects your success at blackjack. For someone with 8000 posts that seems to have it together on here, that is a truly ignorant statement.
the biggest thing to remember about BJ is you can do everything right - but if ONE person does something wrong - the whole table pays the price.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ridiculous.
Other people at the table have ZERO CONTROL over whether you win or lose. The idiot on third base could split tens, double down on 17, and stay on soft 16... none of that affects your success at blackjack. For someone with 8000 posts that seems to have it together on here, that is a truly ignorant statement.
right on bromo, you beat me to the punch. . . winky, i think the thing is if you end up taking the dealers break card and he ends up pulling to a total as a result you remember it more becuase people become disgusted with you.. . .but it is your hand, your money. . they can go play at a table with a bunch of asians if they want to see perfect strategy everywhere.
As an aside, nothing pisses me off worse when I make the CORRECT play and I still get people pissed at the table thinking I screwed them over because they don't know basic strategy.
People, you HIT a 12 against a dealers upcard of 2 or 3. Do that and half the table looks at you like you stole straight from their pocket.
YES, you even double down a soft 18 in some situations. Honest.
People, you HIT a 12 against a dealers upcard of 2 or 3. Do that and half the table looks at you like you stole straight from their pocket.
YES, you even double down a soft 18 in some situations. Honest.
I've sat at tables and seen people disgusted with the play of the person seated at third base....what these disgusted people don't see is the times when third base took the card that would have given the dealer 20 or 21 and hosed the whole table.
People assume too much for the play of third base, when in reality, the players don't know exactly what the next card is coming outta the shoe.
If I play blackjack and have an 11 am I supposed to stay if the dealer has a 5 or 6 because I might take the 10 that breaks the dealer?
People assume too much for the play of third base, when in reality, the players don't know exactly what the next card is coming outta the shoe.
If I play blackjack and have an 11 am I supposed to stay if the dealer has a 5 or 6 because I might take the 10 that breaks the dealer?
The post by WInkyDuck in the ULTIMATE example of why online casinos like land casinos don't need to cheat to make a shitload of money. Here is a person with over 8000 post on a gmabling related forum in which BlackJack has been disgussed numerous times and he still has no clue about the game whatsoever. He is not alone.
You dont believe a bad player make any difference you only remmeberlosers not the ones he wins for you ,If anything it brings a bad feel to the table waiting for them to make another mistake .The other day I was playing and I looked over at the player next to me hit on a 21 and catch a ten .I said to him do you know you had 21 he said it made no difference little did he know that I was doublin down on a 11 caught a 5 dealer made hand It did not make any difference to him . I felt like asking him to play his hands up because I do not think he could count .If you cannothow can you ply in a 10 min game
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Myth: That idiot at third base is killing me.
Fact: A common myth at the blackjack table is that a bad player, especially one in the last seat, will disrupt the natural order of the cards and cause everyone to lose. It is true that such a player sometimes will make a play that will result in the dealer beating everybody rather than breaking. However in the short run such a player is just as likely to help you as to hurt you and in the long run they won't make any difference. The cards are in random order and they are not prearranged to make the dealer break assuming correct play. If anyone rebukes you for hitting a stiff hand at third base tell them you'll keep doing so when the odds favor it and if they don't like it they can find another table.
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a good explanation at WIZARD OF ODDS site
Fact: A common myth at the blackjack table is that a bad player, especially one in the last seat, will disrupt the natural order of the cards and cause everyone to lose. It is true that such a player sometimes will make a play that will result in the dealer beating everybody rather than breaking. However in the short run such a player is just as likely to help you as to hurt you and in the long run they won't make any difference. The cards are in random order and they are not prearranged to make the dealer break assuming correct play. If anyone rebukes you for hitting a stiff hand at third base tell them you'll keep doing so when the odds favor it and if they don't like it they can find another table.
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a good explanation at WIZARD OF ODDS site
I am also shocked at the clueless post, but a awful lot of people really believe in that.
Brings to mind a phrase I heard old men say when I was a kid... use it often myself....
The game is based on "SHITHOUSE LUCK"!
That is all it boils down to. Like ANY casino game. Just based on when you happen to show up, and moreso on leaving at the appropriate time!
Brings to mind a phrase I heard old men say when I was a kid... use it often myself....
The game is based on "SHITHOUSE LUCK"!
That is all it boils down to. Like ANY casino game. Just based on when you happen to show up, and moreso on leaving at the appropriate time!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> the biggest thing to remember about BJ is you can do everything right - but if ONE person does something wrong - the whole table pays the price. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
HILARIOUS, how many people actually beleive this completely false asertion...at the CASINO when everyone at the table get's mad becauz one player play's wrong I sometimes try to explain to them that this is not the case & that the strategy is based on their play against the dealer...Sure someon'e bad play may cauz you to lose a hand, but it may also cauz you to win a hand....over the LONG HAUL it has ZERO impact.
HILARIOUS, how many people actually beleive this completely false asertion...at the CASINO when everyone at the table get's mad becauz one player play's wrong I sometimes try to explain to them that this is not the case & that the strategy is based on their play against the dealer...Sure someon'e bad play may cauz you to lose a hand, but it may also cauz you to win a hand....over the LONG HAUL it has ZERO impact.
For a lot of casino punters we could spend hours explaining to them why it doesn't matter a toss how any other player plays the game. They still wouldn't believe you.
Not many punters have much of an idea about probability in reality. Which is just as well, or there wouldn't be much profit in this game for the folk that do.
Not many punters have much of an idea about probability in reality. Which is just as well, or there wouldn't be much profit in this game for the folk that do.
I have played a lot of blackjack and am never bothered by third base or any other base for that matter. The fact is that before the cards are dealt we all know the dealer will get two cards - then depending on what they are: he/she will add additional cards until house rules force him/her to stand. Nothing can change those facts, each unknown card has the same value until it is known, so a player on third base has an equal chance of helping or hurting the dealer when he hits 18 or whatever so-called bonehead play he/she makes.
wil.
BTW. Usually Winkduck is right on when it comes to gambling, just have to disagree this time.
wil.
BTW. Usually Winkduck is right on when it comes to gambling, just have to disagree this time.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> BTW. Usually Winkduck is right on when it comes to gambling, just have to disagree this time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I second that motion, winky is definatly a class act...I have enjoyed our conversations in the NHL Forum's...
Regarding the question at issue however it is not really a matter of 'agreeing' vs 'disagreeing'...it is not really something that can debated as it is mathematics or science....unless of course you would argue on superstition or luck....
I second that motion, winky is definatly a class act...I have enjoyed our conversations in the NHL Forum's...
Regarding the question at issue however it is not really a matter of 'agreeing' vs 'disagreeing'...it is not really something that can debated as it is mathematics or science....unless of course you would argue on superstition or luck....
