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ak the answer is simple

the order i believe relates to closing and stopping business with us clients and directs them to return funds to them. now im not searching back thru the order if im wrong im wrong

i just lost over 2 mio dollars in a trading co. bankruptcy and have been going through this very thing for 8 months now.

on top of that there is a pending investigation into merrills that i have been asked to provide information to. and as such am aware of the govt tactics in preparing cases of this type.

finally i attempted to buy a financial co. operating offshore but due to the many legal problems of dealing with us clients we chose not to do it.

so ive offered my opinion both personally and via legal avenues that im familar with - you can choose to accept how these things actually work in the real world or you can guess.

if you have some inside knowledge that I dont that specifically deals with this then im all ears,

as always its a forum and open for any and all discussion

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they havent declared bankruptcy so technically they are supposed to repay client accounts upon request.

when/if they went to bankruptcy then they wouldnt be able to client accounts, then depends on your claim - clients would be unsecured.

as i said i believe the govt will say pay out the us clients first then pay the fine, if you have any money left over then operate your book.
 

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That ¨G¨ was a scary character and always has been a stiff (Remember he always had a thing for guns and bodyguards for a reason) and I think the only crime here is guilty by association. There are a whole shit load of sportsbooks in Costa Rica and I cannot see multi billion dollar operations coming down from one piece of shit scumbag. The US is still to greedy to let that much money slip through without being taxed. The DOJ will not get away with this shit and they can kiss my Irish left nut!!!!!!!!!

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But arent the customers guilty too? they are gambling! their bookie takes the action but the gambler is the one seeking for the action to be taken. I really dont believe anyone that has money with them will be paid... condolences to their customers
 

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AP article

Gambling arrests may not impact offshore casinos
Jul. 18, 2006. 08:42 PM
DAVID KOENIG
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

FORT WORTH, Texas — One day after federal officials announced indictments of operators of an offshore Internet gambling site, there were signs of how difficult it will be to prosecute the case.

A federal judge on Monday issued an order barring BetOnSports PLC from taking bets by U.S. residents. But on Tuesday the site appeared to be operating normally, offering bets on Major League baseball and season-opening college football games.

The company's founder, Gary Stephen Kaplan, the biggest target in the indictment, was somewhere in Costa Rica. He had nothing to say about the case, according to a spokesman.

Trading of the company's shares was suspended in London on Tuesday. They fell as much as 24 percent Monday following news that the company's chief executive, David Carruthers, had been arrested and closed down 17 percent at 122.50 pence ($2.24).

In the fiscal year ended Feb. 5, BetOnSports reported a 65 percent gain in operating profit on continuing operations to $20.1 million. The company said it handled $1.77 billion worth of bets for the year, up 25 percent.

On Monday, federal officials unsealed a 22-count indictment that charges 11 people and four companies with conspiracy, racketeering and wire fraud in taking sports bets from U.S. residents. Authorities said BetOnSports falsely claimed that Internet and phone wagering on sporting events was legal and licensed.

Five of the 11 individuals were arrested, including Carruthers, who remained in custody in Fort Worth pending a detention hearing on Friday. Carruthers was arrested Sunday at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport as he waited for a connecting flight to Costa Rica.

The Justice Department is seeking the forfeiture of $4.5 billion, plus several cars, recreational vehicles and computers from the defendants. Prosecutors convinced a federal judge in St. Louis to order BetOnSports to stop accepting bets placed from within the United States.

A company spokesman, Kevin Smith, declined to say Tuesday whether any bets were being turned down.

"We are still in a holding pattern," Smith said. "Our attorneys are mulling over all the information and deciding the next legal step.''

Legal experts and those who follow the online gambling industry said it was unclear what would happen if BetOnSports defies the judge's order to stop taking U.S. bets. Americans accounted for virtually all of the company's business until recently, when it began aggressively courting bettors in Asia.

If the company continues to take Americans' bets, federal officials could respond by pressuring the governments of the United Kingdom, where BetOnSports is incorporated, and Costa Rica, its major base of operations.

But such appeals might not work, especially in Costa Rica, which has become a haven for Caribbean online sports books and casinos in the past decade because of its light approach to regulation, experts said.

"There are probably at least 140 sports books operating down there. Those are a ton of jobs," said Sue Schneider, president of a suburban St. Louis firm that tracks the industry.

About 2,000 people work at BetOnSports' offices in San Jose, Costa Rica, according to a local newspaper.

Even if BetOnSports were shut down, there are plenty of sites to take its place. Some online sports books might stop taking bets from U.S. residents, but only if the United States is a small part of their business, Schneider predicted.

The indictment is likely to have even less effect on online casinos — those that take bets on poker or other games, but not on sporting events.

In the past decade, federal officials have prosecuted many operators of online sports books with U.S. ownership or operations because federal law prohibits using phone wires to place those bets, said Anthony N. Cabot, a Las Vegas lawyer who has represented traditional and online casinos.

In a celebrated case from 2000, prosecutors won a conviction against Jay Cohen, a U.S. citizen who ran an operation in Antigua that took sports bets from Americans over the Internet. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison.

But the wire law doesn't cover other types of casino betting, a federal appeals court in New Orleans ruled. That has left some doubt about whether prosecutors can shut down poker and other casino games that target American players, Cabot said.

And unless the operators set foot in the United States — as Carruthers and Cohen did — it's difficult to extradict them, Cabot said.
 
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Fighting_Irishman said:
The US said ¨Stop taking bets from US clients and to return all monies¨. How can they just shut down the site and not issue withdrawals at all and still expect to keep in good faith?

FI

I think there is a 10 day (correct me if I'm wrong) window for the C&D order to be appealed, and it sounds like it's going to get appealed more than once. Until we know the outcome of that, we're all just guessing where this is going to go.
 

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don't make me laugh - 2000 employees is very wide of the mark, a couple of hundred at most 300 -400 max
 

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2,000 people work at BOS in CR????

Is this accurate?

Completely out of reality, during high season the range is between 400-500 employees.
 

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it's not out of reality...

BoS has in between 1800 and 2000 employees
during the low season they can drop at 1500 at the most.

just the it dept goes in between 200 250 employees,
they have like 50 employees just for financial dept
and by financial dept i mean, accounting, attorneys, just
for the local laws of costa rica, ppl taking care of payroll,
assets, new equipment, new contracts ,

then you have, electricians, cleaning, maintenance, tv technicians, bartenders, masons, carpenters, etc.

then you have publicists, designers, printers, marketting, etc.
there is a lot of sportsbooks which use the printing dept from betonsports
to help their marketing campaings

then you have the payout dept, i guess that's the small one.. (the one in charge of paying you winners)...

then you have the customer service dept...

then as for clerks taking bets, i would say, rite now in between day and night shifts it could be like 800 ticket writers, shared for bos and millenium. and the rest...

by high season this could increase up to 1400 ticketwriters...


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just remember last week they fired just 100 ticket writters, so I think that yes they have a lot of people working there, they have 7 floors from mall san pedro and only one if for tech guys, web designers and software develop..
 

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i believe so

they probably want to see the initial ruling first though before doing that

because obviously they want to do business here

but if they lose that would be their next step besides another appeal.
 

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What the hell do they do if they are required to return all deposits to US citizens? They would have to refund all losses too.
 

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