Bearding and why it is should be done.

[DarrylParsons]

Maybe I'm naive but I can't see how it could be good business to bar anyone except maybe guys who are deliberately trying to circumvent limits or otherwise break the rules.

If it's steam play, I just need to be quicker to take the games off the board and update lines. If it's just a very sharp bettor who picks lots of winners I'd just make sure my book is unbalanced in such a way that I'm rooting for the same side as he's on.

Am I missing something here?

 

[Concorde]

Concorde,In my opinion yes, there is that possibility.

Rainbow you crack me up,Boxing ??

Thanks Greenhead.

 

[Rainbow]

Maybe I'm naive but I can't see how it could be good business to bar anyone except maybe guys who are deliberately trying to circumvent limits or otherwise break the rules.

If it's steam play, I just need to be quicker to take the games off the board and update lines. If it's just a very sharp bettor who picks lots of winners I'd just make sure my book is unbalanced in such a way that I'm rooting for the same side as he's on.

Am I missing something here?

Agree 100%. expecially Spiro business, he could earn off of him if that was the case. real simple to earn off of somebody expecially when you have the business like Spiro does. no way possible he couldnt earn of of you are whoever.

 

[Rainbow]

Rainbow,No disrespect to anyone,Im trying to correct you in a statement you made that Spiro will NEVER cut off anyone.I played with him for years.Never, ever a problem.He made a business decision to cut it off.He is a smart,smart man,and very wealthy.But he new I would beat him and there was nothing he could do about it.He couldnt balance the books as they say.

OF,thanks for the kind words,cant wait for the fishing trip.No $$$$$ per fish this time,I know I'll lose.(smart business decision thats all)

I cant stop thinking about this statement you made about he knew he couldnt beat you and it was noway for him to balance his books, that statement tells me you know absolutely nothing about BOOKING, trust me if Spiro wanted to put his self on your sides he could do that without any problem at all. you just dont have the booking experience to know that. me myself I think you and Spiro had a fallen out arguement. I think the two of you were once friends. noway he surrendered. Spiro doesnt go down that easy. if I didnt know him I would agree with you. Spiro doesnt have no BB NUTS

 

[GREENHEAD]

Rainbow,Im not here to impress you or exaggerate to you.I've given you the acct #.Since you know him so well,ASK HIM.There was NEVER a "fallen out arguement".We were NEVER freinds.It was his business decision,as I said.To his benefit it was a wise move as March was a GREAT month.

PS-I stand by my statement 100% that he couldnt balance the books.Boxing, come on,your smarter than that.Later GREENHEAD

 

[Rainbow]

Rainbow,Im not here to impress you or exaggerate to you.I've given you the acct #.Since you know him so well,ASK HIM.There was NEVER a "fallen out arguement".We were NEVER freinds.It was his business decision,as I said.To his benefit it was a wise move as March was a GREAT month.

PS-I stand by my statement 100% that he couldnt balance the books.Boxing, come on,your smarter than that.Later GREENHEAD

I am halfway convinced you beat him... but you will never convince me that he couldnt have put his self on your sides. real simple move the line and take a stand whats so hard about doing that. I dont care how much he gave you a game, he can put his self on any game on the board 7-days a week. you know nothing about BOOKING, stick to betting, its too hard for you to understand something real simple. Later.:drink:

 

[SteamDaddy]

Bearding is necessary in order to really hammer those big steam games. All part of the game.

 

[Concorde]

What i do not understand is why there is a "statement" that say that some books ( and OLY is included in to these books ) takes Professional Action when it SEEMS that no anyone takes it ( for professional action i mean UNLIMITED, NOT ONLY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME ).

I do not had these doubts with UK books because i never see a statement sad that. Then i come "here" starting betting offshore three years ago, i find some sites saying that the some books takes professional action, i got that "confirmation" when i comes on this forum months ago seeing posters sad that.

Then today i read a post from GREENHEAD saying that he was booted off by ONE OF THESE BOOKS. Now GREENHEAD please dont take me wrong here and please give me a chance of thinking that you MAY are lieing trying to "bad advertising" Spiro. This is NOT what i am 100% thinking so please dont take this as an accusation.

Did you all you readers remember what happened a month ago with Mansion here on this forum wright? Which has been the results of these rumors? That Mansion had their business CUT because many customers that read this forum and other forums have quitted play with them.

Then today i read this OLY story. Now i ask all of you ... Is it so crazy to think that on the forums some "ghosts" may try to "bad advertise" others giants to benefit himself and/or the peoples that they are "working" for? Did you have never heard that one of the most successfull advertising method in this planet is to "bad advertise your competitors"?

I am not saying that this is the case but give me a chance to think on that and i will ALWAYS have doubts when i will read some rumors like the Mansion one and this of OLY. What the 1st "Mansion statement" sad? " A Rumor is reporting that Mansion sportsbook have losted 20 million dollars" Then some weeks after that another rumor comes out ... "After a more powerful research we can say that the Mansion have only lost one million dollar".

So can i have some some doubts after see two different statements that had a difference of 3 Steve Austin? 90% difference? From 20 million to one million?

The two giants/company of italian tv just to use an example, RAI and MEDIASET, used this systhem regulary and everyday. They each hard blame the other on their tv transmissions. I think that we can make other examples like CNN vs FOXNEWS ( for what i heard ).

Returning on the GREEN vs OLY case here are for me the possible three solutions and if someone could explain me i would kindla appreciate it ...

1 ) GREEN and OF are lieing trying to bad advertising OLY.

2 ) GREEN and OF are not lieng but they have do something that is not considered a Professional action.

3 ) GREEN and OF are not lieing. The industry and all these sites that advertise books need to explain EXACTLY what they mean for Professional action.


A famous phrase from Giulio Andreotti, one of the best politics that has probably never borned, say ...

"Have nasty thoughts it's a sin but some times you are wright"

I am new betting offshore and would like to learn.
Sorry for my english.

 

[Rainbow]

What i do not understand is why there is a "statement" that say that some books ( and OLY is included in to these books ) takes Professional Action when it SEEMS that no anyone takes it ( for professional action i mean UNLIMITED, NOT ONLY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME ).

I do not had these doubts with UK books because i never see a statement sad that. Then i come "here" starting betting offshore three years ago, i find some sites saying that the some books takes professional action, i got that "confirmation" when i comes on this forum months ago seeing posters sad that.

Then today i read a post from GREENHEAD saying that he was booted off by ONE OF THESE BOOKS. Now GREENHEAD please dont take me wrong here and please give me a chance of thinking that you MAY are lieing trying to "bad advertising" Spiro. This is NOT what i am 100% thinking so please dont take this as an accusation.

Did you all you readers remember what happened a month ago with Mansion here on this forum wright? Which has been the results of these rumors? That Mansion had their business CUT because many customers that read this forum and other forums have quitted play with them.

Then today i read this OLY story. Now i ask all of you ... Is it so crazy to think that on the forums some "ghosts" may try to "bad advertise" others giants to benefit himself and/or the peoples that they are "working" for? Did you have never heard that one of the most successfull advertising method in this planet is to "bad advertise your competitors"?

I am not saying that this is the case but give me a chance to think on that and i will ALWAYS have doubts when i will read some rumors like the Mansion one and this of OLY. What the 1st "Mansion statement" sad? " A Rumor is reporting that Mansion sportsbook have losted 20 million dollars" Then some weeks after that another rumor comes out ... "After a more powerful research we can say that the Mansion have only lost one million dollar".

So can i have some some doubts after see two different statements that had a difference of 3 Steve Austin? 90% difference? From 20 million to one million?

The two giants/company of italian tv just to use an example, RAI and MEDIASET, used this systhem regulary and everyday. They each hard blame the other on their tv transmissions. I think that we can make other examples like CNN vs FOXNEWS ( for what i heard ).

Returning on the GREEN vs OLY case here are for me the possible three solutions and if someone could explain me i would kindla appreciate it ...

1 ) GREEN and OF are lieing trying to bad advertising OLY.

2 ) GREEN and OF are not lieng but they have do something that is not considered a Professional action.

3 ) GREEN and OF are not lieing. The industry and all these sites that advertise books need to explain EXACTLY what they mean for Professional action.


A famous phrase from Giulio Andreotti, one of the best politics that has probably never borned, say ...

"Have nasty thoughts it's a sin but some times you are wright"

I am new betting offshore and would like to learn.
Sorry for my english.

They didnt say anything bad about Spiro.

 

[Concorde]

They didnt say anything bad about Spiro.

Rainbow,

I never say that or that they are two bad guys or something like this. I want to FINALLY UNDERSTAND what means professional action. How can a book that TAKE professional action boot off a professional player? So is the R of SBR wright? Was not OLY a pioneer of the clearing house?

 

[DarrylParsons]

Concorde,

Nice write-up and no problem about the English -- message comes through loud and clear...

My theory: Your number 2 is correct in that they are doing something which is not JUST professional action in the definition you are thinking of. I repeat this is only a theory of mine and I don't mean to suggest any wrongdoing by anyone.

IMO it's only time to worry when more than just one or two people have been booted...there are hundreds of professionals playing there no doubt and only a couple have been booted. That has to tell you that it's not professional action PER SE that is being attacked, but something else which we will probably never know.

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

Yes Concorde you have caught me in a lie. Since Olympic suspended me 3 times, but always let me back in within 24 hours, I have an agenda against them. In fact Greenhead, I and the RX, since Spiro does not advertise here, are all involved in the conspiracy. Is that what you want to hear? It just is not in this thread. I have posted several times about Olympic, praising them for hanging openers, Spiro for his pay the man rep, and have always had a FROG benjamin rating for them. Please refrain from implying I am lying. And even worse, do not put words in my mouth. I have never had a problem with Spiro, ever. I have one inconvenience betting, and do my best to work around it, that is all. Not only am I not against Olympic, I think it is one of the top 3 books in the world. At least that I am allowed in. Nice try on the distortion, but this was not why I hate Olympic, but to beard or not to beard. I would not put Mansion, in the same sentence, paragraph, chapter or book with Olympic. No comparison.


Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

 

[Concorde]

Yes Concorde you have caught me in a lie. Since Olympic suspended me 3 times, but always let me back in within 24 hours, I have an agenda against them. In fact Greenhead, I and the RX, since Spiro does not advertise here, are all involved in the conspiracy. Is that what you want to hear? It just is not in this thread. I have posted several times about Olympic, praising them for hanging openers, Spiro for his pay the man rep, and have always had a FROG benjamin rating for them. Please refrain from implying I am lying. And even worse, do not put words in my mouth. I have never had a problem with Spiro, ever. I have one inconvenience betting, and do my best to work around it, that is all. Not only am I not against Olympic, I think it is one of the top 3 books in the world. At least that I am allowed in. Nice try on the distortion, but this was not why I hate Olympic, but to beard or not to beard. I would not put Mansion, in the same sentence, paragraph, chapter or book with Olympic. No comparison.


Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

OF,

I am only trying to understand why a book that take pro action should have booted a pro player. I never say that you are lieing but you have to GIVE PEOPLES THE CHANCE TO CONSIDER ALL THE POSSIBILE ASPECTS OF AN OUTCOME.

Why a book that take professional action have booted off a pro player?
Do you think that it would be correct saying that no any book take professional action?

Today i asked you ( or Green ) if there is a chance that someone that just beat the house ( even at Pinny ) with his own plays could be booted off. The answer was yes.

So the theory that say that a book like Pinnacle use professional players to set up their lines ( and again i do not want to be repetitive but it would mean use these pro with NEVER booted off one of these ) is not true?

When you read that Pinnacle and CRIS takes professional action, what's your idea, your reaction in reading this?

Thanks
Concorde

 

[DarrylParsons]

OF,

I don't think Concord is accusing anyone of lying or conspiring at this point, although his choice of words could be better -- language problem mainly IMO and not to be taken personally.

But he sees a contradiction which most certainly needs to be resolved:

A) Oly tolerates professional action
B) Two guys have been booted for their professional action

These two statements cannot be simultaneously true, so he concludes (correctly IMO) that one of the following must hold:

1) Statement A is true and B is false
2) Both are true, yet there are some additional circumstances to explain that these cases have something additional behind them, ie. both A and B are generally true, but with some exceptions and your two cases are examples of exceptions.
3) Statement B is true and A is false and so Oly has some 'splainin to do.

Very valid concerns IMO, but not so important in my mind because my line for the above 3 cases is something like:

1) +5000
2) -3500
3) +5000

 

[Concorde]

OF,

I don't think Concord is accusing anyone of lying or conspiring at this point, although his choice of words could be better -- language problem mainly IMO and not to be taken personally.

But he sees a contradiction which most certainly needs to be resolved:

A) Oly tolerates professional action
B) Two guys have been booted for their professional action

These two statements cannot be simultaneously true, so he concludes (correctly IMO) that one of the following must hold:

1) Statement A is true and B is false
2) Both are true, yet there are some additional circumstances to explain that these cases have something additional behind them, ie. both A and B are generally true, but with some exceptions and your two cases are examples of exceptions.
3) Statement B is true and A is false and so Oly has some 'splainin to do.

Very valid concerns IMO, but not so important in my mind because my line for the above 3 cases is something like:

1) +5000
2) -3500
3) +5000

Yes is what i meant. My english many times could be misunderstood.

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

I believe you really want to know, but the parties involved do not want to divulge. Sometimes this is called an agreement of silence. There is a lot more to the story than you have, and any conclusion drawn from partial facts will be erroneous. I am not at liberty to discuss Greenhead's situation, although I am aware of the episode. He did nothing wrong, did not circumvent limits, nothing. To focus on Greenhead, one guy, is not really a broad statement professional bettors get thrown out. A nice English cliche for you. There is always an exception to the rule. Greenhead is that exception. You will never be in his position, and have nothing to worrry about whether you are professional or not. I would let it go and move on, because it is not going any furthur. Next cliche, kicking a dead horse. That implies it does no good, the horse is already dead, like this issue. Hope that clarifies it to your satisfaction, otherwise I feel you are **** out of luck.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

 

[Concorde]

I believe you really want to know, but the parties involved do not want to divulge. Sometimes this is called an agreement of silence. There is a lot more to the story than you have, and any conclusion drawn from partial facts will be erroneous. I am not at liberty to discuss Greenhead's situation, although I am aware of the episode. He did nothing wrong, did not circumvent limits, nothing. To focus on Greenhead, one guy, is not really a broad statement professional bettors get thrown out. A nice English cliche for you. There is always an exception to the rule. Greenhead is that exception. You will never be in his position, and have nothing to worrry about whether you are professional or not. I would let it go and move on, because it is not going any furthur. Next cliche, kicking a dead horse. That implies it does no good, the horse is already dead, like this issue. Hope that clarifies it to your satisfaction, otherwise I feel you are **** out of luck.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

OF.

Like you sad i will NEVER be in to this position.
Thanks for the answer and have a great day.

Concorde

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

No problem Concorde, you seem like a genuine good person. I really respect your desire to learn. You should do well in any pursuit you desire.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

P.S. Some people resent being referred to as liars.

 

[Rainbow]

OF.

Like you sad i will NEVER be in to this position.
Thanks for the answer and have a great day.

Concorde

dont believe everything you hear. I agree enough said on this thread. I have one thing to add I know guys that Greenhead cant shine their shoes. Frog, you need to realize one thing its always someone out there alittle smarter in anything. have a nice night.

 

[TheGeneral+]

I am halfway convinced you beat him... but you will never convince me that he couldnt have put his self on your sides. real simple move the line and take a stand whats so hard about doing that. I dont care how much he gave you a game, he can put his self on any game on the board 7-days a week. you know nothing about BOOKING, stick to betting, its too hard for you to understand something real simple. Later.:drink:

Maybe Spiro was just having a bad day. :grandmais


:howdy: