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Math don’t lie
 
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From a pure math standpoint it is 100% the correct call to go for 2 in that scenario. This has been debated and discussed for years and math dictates you go for 2 points. You do not see coaches do it very often because they are of the old school mentality. Just do some quick google searches and you will see the results of all of the scenarios which shows you have about a 12.5% greater chance of winning the game by going for 2 when down exactly 8 points later in the game. After reading the in-depth discussions if you still are of the opinion that it was the wrong choice then I guess we can just both agree that you do not trust math and you instead like to follow your "gut" feelings when making decisions. I am fine with whatever you conclude.
 

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Pure math standpoint > gut instinct

100% of the time
 

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From a pure math standpoint it is 100% the correct call to go for 2 in that scenario. This has been debated and discussed for years and math dictates you go for 2 points. You do not see coaches do it very often because they are of the old school mentality. Just do some quick google searches and you will see the results of all of the scenarios which shows you have about a 12.5% greater chance of winning the game by going for 2 when down exactly 8 points later in the game. After reading the in-depth discussions if you still are of the opinion that it was the wrong choice then I guess we can just both agree that you do not trust math and you instead like to follow your "gut" feelings when making decisions. I am fine with whatever you conclude.

I dont trust eli
 

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Don't trust gostkowski to hit a 45 yarder?

50 yarded, and I do trust him, but I trust the defense more to not allow an 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left

Belichick made the right call and the Patriots won
 

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55 yarded, and I do trust him, but I trust the defense more to not allow an 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left

Belichick made the right call and the Patriots won

In fairness they would have won either way
 

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Now all these 7 figure talking heads is going to spend an entire week talking about how dumb the coach was for doing the correct thing
 

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I agreed with the decision, make the Bears go 80 or more yards to win with 30 seconds left. As opposed to risking giving the Bears the ball at the 40 yard line
 

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Giants are smart to just tank it. They get a good QB in the draft and all the sudden they are a playoff team
 

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The Chiefs were winning 45 - 10, whatever Reid wanted to do was OK by me. He doesn't want to run up a score? OK He doesn't want to risk injury to his players? OK He doesn't want to show anybody anything? OK He kicks a FG? OK

It's 45-10, his reasoning can't be wrong (and I don't do totals)
 

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Falcons in the exact same situation tonight. With a worse kicker and further out.

And they nail the dagger. It's the correct call

OMG, seriously

With 1 minute and 55 seconds left, the Falcons kick a 37 yard FG (a modern day XP)

with 24 seconds left, the Patriots elect not to kick a 50 yard FG

Do you actually think there's no difference between 1:55 and 0:24?

Never mind a 37 yard FG vs a 50 yard FG, even in the NFL the percentages fall

Belichick absolutely kicks a 37 yard FG with 1:55 left, c'mon man
 

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OMG, seriously

With 1 minute and 55 seconds left, the Falcons kick a 37 yard FG (a modern day XP)

with 24 seconds left, the Patriots elect not to kick a 50 yard FG

Do you actually think there's no difference between 1:55 and 0:24?

Never mind a 37 yard FG vs a 50 yard FG, even in the NFL the percentages fall

Belichick absolutely kicks a 37 yard FG with 1:55 left, c'mon man


It was a 56 yard FG by the falcons. Very similar situations
 

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1:55 >>>>>>> 0:24

Not similar at all, not in anyone's world butt yours. It's akin to arguing a team should try and score late in the 4th when leading 45-10
 
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I dont trust eli

This makes the decision to go for 2 even easier. If you don't trust Eli to assist his team in converting a 1 play 2 pt conversion then you must REALLY not trust him in a potential 10 minute overtime. In this situation you need to decide to go with the higher variance situation which is of course the 2 point conversion.

When you have an 11 in blackjack and the dealer has a 6, do you sometimes not doubledown because you don't "trust" the dealer? It's all math. Take emotion and antiquated philosophy out of your decision making processes.
 

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This makes the decision to go for 2 even easier. If you don't trust Eli to assist his team in converting a 1 play 2 pt conversion then you must REALLY not trust him in a potential 10 minute overtime. In this situation you need to decide to go with the higher variance situation which is of course the 2 point conversion.

When you have an 11 in blackjack and the dealer has a 6, do you sometimes not doubledown because you don't "trust" the dealer? It's all math. Take emotion and antiquated philosophy out of your decision making processes.


eh theres a lot more to the math than just your adjusted percentage of winning. The move also effects your % chance of a tie (going to OT) and a loss
 
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eh theres a lot more to the math than just your adjusted percentage of winning. The move also effects your % chance of a tie (going to OT) and a loss

Exactly. I understand the scenarios and the math. (with help from those smarter than me of course) You understand that the decision to go for 2 is based an ALL potential outcomes?
 

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eh theres a lot more to the math than just your adjusted percentage of winning. The move also effects your % chance of a tie (going to OT) and a loss

Let me give you a simple version .

Down 8 go for 2 you slightly above 50% to convert cutting the deficit to 6.

If you score another TD and XP you win the game with no ot which they would have had a less then 50% chance of winning if it goes ot .

If you miss the 2 you are still in the game and have a chance to tie the game with another TD and 2.

So this scenario gives you the opportunity to avoid OT which you would be less then 50% to win if you go OT.

If you miss the 50% 1st 2 that’s ok if you get another TD you will get another 50% chance the next time to tie the game.

It is 100% the correct call.

Just because you are use to these antiquated coaches who have done in wrong the last 100 years does not make what the giants did wrong
 

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I remember a few years ago everybody was going nuts when Harbaugh (49ers) made a crazy decision at the end of the game that had spread and total implications
 

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Unfuckinbelbvable.

Had an under last night going under by 25 points.... then it goes to overtime. Team had not had an over all year.


Now just had a tennis match. Guy just needs to hold in one last game..... dominating the point, hits a smash, the other guy lunges to return it.... it goes sky high and comes down after a long time on the other end's baseline..... huge forehand by my player now that sets up a smash at the end.... and he fucking misses it.

Un-fucking-believable.

Two ridiculous losses
 

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