All Things, Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman

[Willie99]

Enfuego 1 Dream Team 0

all he did was make a reasoned and logical argument based on the facts that we know about, just as it may play out in court (if it gets there)

the other side says he shouldn't have shot him and that's that, because Barry called this a racist attack and we're all racists (something akin to that)

and after Enfuego lays out the facts and answers all their questions, they claimed victory

I'll wager the dude is cleared on all the serious charges

 

[Willie99]

So, you are agreeing with Enfuego that you know for a FACT that Martin threw the first punch and started the fight? You know this for a fact like he says?

he said "eyewitnesses" made that statement

do you have something better?

 

[Dafinch]

The story was written immediately after the incident. The facts have not changed despite the article's age. If they have, please show me.

You asked me to show you how I knew Martin threw thee first punch and I've done that. You asked me to cite my source and I've done that. And you come back with Zimmerman got arrested? Did that change the original question you asked me about who started the fight?

So few sentences, so much stupidity:

1) "The story was written immediately after the incident." Precisely, almost 2 months ago, while you're now droning on about new information. No inconsistency there, is there?

2) " The facts have not changed despite the article's age. If they have, please show me." That's such an incredibly stupid statement, you should be embarrassed to make such a statement in public, only you're obviously too clueless to BE embarrassed. Is that why the prosecution ultimately decided to arrest him after further investigation? If it's such a certainty that he threw the first punch, "which is what is now protecting him from being arrested," then, why was he arrested?

3) "You asked me to show you how I knew Martin threw thee first punch and I've done that." Uh, no, you haven't. You've quoted the police, who, first of all, weren't even there, so how do THEY know who threw the first punch, much less YOU knowing? Is there some kind of slick, David Caruso CSI detective work that can show that definitively? And, let's not forget the bang up job the Sanford police did in general: they tested the dead guy for drugs and booze, but didn't do so for the killer. And why? Because the guy now accused of murder told them he was "squeaky clean," which turned out to not be entirely true. They let Zimmerman wipe his feet when he entered the police station, fer crissakes! Possible evidence being discarded anybody?!?! You've "done" that, you haven't done JACK except to regurgitate an almost 2 month old article, written long before the arrested his ass, try again, Sparky.

 

[wabashwonders]

he said "eyewitnesses" made that statement

do you have something better?

There were no eyewitnesses that we know of who saw the fight start. The only eyewitness saw Martin on top of Zimmerman after it started. If you go back and read what Enfuego said, this is his proof that Martin punched Zimmerman first, just because he was on top of him. That does not prove that Martin started the fight, just that he was winning it at the time.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Would love for you to point out one thing I've said that's racist. One thing.

You haven’t but don’t expect ballwasher to take that into account. It’s the Liberal way of saving face.

When frustration sets in and all else fails Liberals turn to repugnancy. It’s their last line of defense.

I’m surprised he hasn’t put you ignore.

 

[Willie99]

There were no eyewitnesses that we know of who saw the fight start. The only eyewitness saw Martin on top of Zimmerman after it started. If you go back and read what Enfuego said, this is his proof that Martin punched Zimmerman first, just because he was on top of him. That does not prove that Martin started the fight, just that he was winning it at the time.

OK, doesn't prove Zim started it either

Martin doesn't have a great reputation, but that doesn't prove he started it either

that's why the legal symbol is a scale, where does the weight of the evidence tilt?

 

[wabashwonders]

OK, doesn't prove Zim started it either

Martin doesn't have a great reputation, but that doesn't prove he started it either

that's why the legal symbol is a scale, where does the weight of the evidence tilt?

I never said either one started it. I've said all along that we don't know who started the fight. Enfuego is the one who insists Martin started it with no proof. All I have been saying to him for the last day is he doesn't know for a fact who started it either, but he continues to insist Martin did.

 

[mplastered]

The end!

 

[Dave007inVegas]

The end!

You wish!

 

[Enfuego]

I never said either one started it. I've said all along that we don't know who started the fight. Enfuego is the one who insists Martin started it with no proof. All I have been saying to him for the last day is he doesn't know for a fact who started it either, but he continues to insist Martin did.

What I said was that according to the Orlando Sentinel which received a first-hand account of the incident after it took place, authorities thought Martin punched Zimmerman first. I've posted the article, put the sentence in bold and underlined it.

I don't know what else I can do.

 

[Enfuego]

So few sentences, so much stupidity:

1) "The story was written immediately after the incident." Precisely, almost 2 months ago, while you're now droning on about new information. No inconsistency there, is there? - HUH? Keep babbling on.

2) " The facts have not changed despite the article's age. If they have, please show me." That's such an incredibly stupid statement, you should be embarrassed to make such a statement in public, only you're obviously too clueless to BE embarrassed. Is that why the prosecution ultimately decided to arrest him after further investigation? If it's such a certainty that he threw the first punch, "which is what is now protecting him from being arrested," then, why was he arrested? - Angela Corey was brought in specifically to look at the facts of this case. She was not there at the Sanford PD until directed. It was in her power to prosecute or not and she wanted to conduct a thorough investigation. It doesn't happen overnight. This is why an arrest was made so long after. Has he gone to trial yet? Just checking.

3) "You asked me to show you how I knew Martin threw thee first punch and I've done that." Uh, no, you haven't. You've quoted the police, who, first of all, weren't even there, so how do THEY know who threw the first punch, much less YOU knowing? Is there some kind of slick, David Caruso CSI detective work that can show that definitively? And, let's not forget the bang up job the Sanford police did in general: they tested the dead guy for drugs and booze, but didn't do so for the killer. And why? Because the guy now accused of murder told them he was "squeaky clean," which turned out to not be entirely true. They let Zimmerman wipe his feet when he entered the police station, fer crissakes! Possible evidence being discarded anybody?!?! You've "done" that, you haven't done JACK except to regurgitate an almost 2 month old article, written long before the arrested his ass, try again, Sparky. - I posted 10 links to articles that you specifically requested and all published this week. Don't distort the truth. Zimmerman wiped his feet? Well shit, he had to walk in the door didn't he?

Answered all of your ridiculous stuff.

 

[wabashwonders]

What I said was that according to the Orlando Sentinel which received a first-hand account of the incident after it took place, authorities thought Martin punched Zimmerman first. I've posted the article, put the sentence in bold and underlined it.

I don't know what else I can do.

Yea right. That's the only thing you posted yesterday to show that Martin threw the first punch. Wow, I can't believe you actually said that.

But you right about one thing. There is nothing else you can do...

 

[Enfuego]

Yea right. That's the only thing you posted yesterday to show that Martin threw the first punch. Wow, I can't believe you actually said that.

But you right about one thing. There is nothing else you can do...

I mean, I told you, posted the article, underlined the sentence and cited my sources that explicitly says authorities believed Martin through the first punch. If you still don't agree with how it happened, even after reviewing the facts in black and white, you'll never get it.

 

[wabashwonders]

I mean, I told you, posted the article, underlined the sentence and cited my sources that explicitly says authorities believed Martin through the first punch. If you still don't agree with how it happened, even after reviewing the facts in black and white, you'll never get it.

Dude, go back and read your posts. You posted that article long after you stated numerous times that Martin started the fight. And the article proves nothing since it states that the police say that Martin threw the first punch, but they were not there either, so they would not know. They were basing their facts purely on what Zimmerman told them and we can not honestly be sure he is telling the truth. He will say anything to not look bad since no one can justify his story. So, the fact still remains that we do not know how the fight actually started. And the fact that Martin had a bruised eye shows that it is a possiblity that Zimmerman could have struck him first before Martin retaliated.

If you go back before you posted that article, I asked you what 1 thing could have prevented this whole thing and this was your answer...


Easy, Martin could've not physically attacked an armed dude on the street like he was a tough guy. He doesn't attack, he doesn't get shot.

 

[Enfuego]

Ballwash, we know what happened. You and the three stooges are the only ones that don't know what took place. May Martin not rest in piece.

 

[billhill999]

Turns out Trayvon had THC in his system according to the autopsy report. He was dusted, which explains how he took down a 200 pound man like Zimmerman.
Ever see a person on 'dust? I have, I saw a guy outside a coffee house in Boston take down 4 cops on angel dust once.

Within the documents was the autopsy report, which shows where Martin was shot and what happened as a result. It also said Martin had THC in his body that night.
Also, we aren't talking about an innocent baby faced 14 year old here, we are talking about a 17 year old Trayvon who has been caught with burglary tools, charges he skated on, admitted to assaulting a bus driver via twitter, etc. etc. etc. ..........

I have read the entire discovery findings the prosecution, defense, and the courts have.
Until you Trayvon supporters read the entire findings like I have, I know more than you.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/zimmerman-serino-report.pdf

 

[billhill999]

More

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/george-zimmerman-injuries.pdf

 

[Enfuego]

Turns out Trayvon had THC in his system according to the autopsy report. He was dusted, which explains how he took down a 200 pound man like Zimmerman.
Ever see a person on 'dust? I have, I saw a guy outside a coffee house in Boston take down 4 cops on angel dust once.

Within the documents was the autopsy report, which shows where Martin was shot and what happened as a result. It also said Martin had THC in his body that night.
Also, we aren't talking about an innocent baby faced 14 year old here, we are talking about a 17 year old Trayvon who has been caught with burglary tools, charges he skated on, admitted to assaulting a bus driver via twitter, etc. etc. etc. ..........

I have read the entire discovery findings the prosecution, defense, and the courts have.
Until you Trayvon supporters read the entire findings like I have, I know more than you.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/zimmerman-serino-report.pdf

Be prepared to be called a liar and possibly accused that your factual documents have been altered.

 

[billhill999]

^
I'm prepared for my wife will be raped and my dogs will be killed.

 

[Dafinch]

Answered all of your ridiculous stuff.

1)You answered next to nothing: you show 9 or 10 articles, but your "proof" was an article almost 2 months old. If you don't see the inconsistency there, well, there's no hope for you-but we already knew that, didn't we?

2) Did it escape your razor sharp powers of perception that the ineptness of the 2 main locals "heading" the case is the reason WHY she was brought in? I haven't said a word about the trial, I'm pointing out that statements like "the facts have not changed despite the article's age" and stating that Martin was the aggressor because the police, who weren't there, were told that by Martin himself are absolutely ludicrous. But you keep thinking, lol, that's obviously what you're good ad.

3) Yes, we know you posted 10 articles, but you hung your hat on one from March 26, Brainiac. Re: your final sentence, even YOU aren't quite THAT stupid.