All Things, Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman

[Enfuego]

I'm not in court right now. I can say what I want. When someone is following me I consider it stalking. If I'm walking in my neighborhood and someone is falling me in a vehicle and then leaves that vehicle to follow me on foot I consider that stalking. I would call the police and tell them I was being stalked by a creeper. You guys are such full of shit. If someone is tailing you like that, that is an act of aggression. It's game time. No way in hell am I going to be polite to an individual following me like that.

5 years minimum.

How do you know Zimmerman was following him? Are you guessing again?
How do you know he followed him in a vehicle then followed him on foot? Are you guessing again like Vittered?
How do you know he tailed him? Are you guessing again like WW?

See, you guys that think Zimmerman murdered him all have one thing in common you keep posting over and over again. You all assume you know what happened and how the confrontation took place. It's kind of eerie really. All of you guys just make stuff up about how they got into it physically.

If you stick to the facts, you might wake up a bit.

 

[Enfuego]

Fact, we do not know that Martin was high on marijuana. Here is what we know...

Martin's autopsy indicated that medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin's blood and urine. The amount described in the autopsy report is such a low level that it would have played no role in Martin's behavior, said Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.
"This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes," Kobilinsky said. "If it comes up in the case, I would be surprised. It wouldn't benefit the defense, it wouldn't benefit the prosecution, and if the defense tried to bring it up, the judge would keep it out."



Chances are what was in his system was from something he smoked days before.


Fact, there is still no conclusive evidence as to who was screaming. Here is what was written in the same article...




The release of evidence did little to clear up whose voice is screaming for help in the background of several 911 calls made during the fight.




The 3rd fact you mention was just released so I have to assume its true. I do not doubt that a fight occurred so that fact is probably true. But not the first 2, at least the part about who was screaming. First one does not matter and 2nd one is still questionable.


http://www.chron.com/news/article/D...-on-Trayvon-Martin-killing-3566508.php#page-1

Brother, the goddamn witness who saw the confrontation gave a statement saying the black guy in the hoodie was on top of the other guy and the guy on the bottom was yelling for help. I swear to god, you guys will do anything to make what you believe come true even if it means just flat out ignoring facts.

 

[Vico_dan]

That's your MO... all you do is jump in on conversations. You are a stealth poster. Just pick your spots, put in your insults, then bounce. Kind of pathetic.

My "MO" is to bust pseudo intellects like you, and liars like others.

90% of my responses are reactionary in nature.

My goal: 1. to make you think twice about posting bullshit
2. to bait you into an angry, unintelligble response
3. because this is a big part of your life, and I enjoy fucking with you

If you really get angry and take any of this personally......shame on you

 

[akphidelt]

How do you know Zimmerman was following him? Are you guessing again?
How do you know he followed him in a vehicle then followed him on foot? Are you guessing again like Vittered?
How do you know he tailed him? Are you guessing again like WW?

See, you guys that think Zimmerman murdered him all have one thing in common you keep posting over and over again. You all assume you know what happened and how the confrontation took place. It's kind of eerie really. All of you guys just make stuff up about how they got into it physically.

If you stick to the facts, you might wake up a bit.

There's an witness account from the girlfriend acknowledging that Trayvon knew he was being followed. If you can't prove her witness account wrong than you are just guessing also. There is a conversation with an operator where Zimmerman acknowledges he is following Trayvon and is told that he doesn't have to do that. What more evidence do you need? Or are you just playing dumb?

Anyone with half a brain can understand what happened based on the evidence we already have. Zimmerman was breathing heavily in the conversation and even calls the kid a name. He had obviously pinned Trayvon as a suspicious individual and was following him on foot and in a vehicle. Common sense tells me after confronting him or being confronted for stalking him, he got his ass whooped and shot an unarmed teenager.

5 years min.

 

[akphidelt]

My "MO" is to bust pseudo intellects like you, and liars like others.

90% of my responses are reactionary in nature.

My goal: 1. to make you think twice about posting bullshit
2. to bait you into an angry, unintelligble response
3. because this is a big part of your life, and I enjoy fucking with you

If you really get angry and take any of this personally......shame on you

You don't actually ever saying anything of substance. Sort of pathetic. Man up for a change and actually state your case rather than just commenting on what other people say so you don't have to show us all how fucking dumb you really are. Bout time you man up pussy.

 

[Enfuego]

There's an witness account from the girlfriend acknowledging that Trayvon knew he was being followed. If you can't prove her witness account wrong than you are just guessing also. There is a conversation with an operator where Zimmerman acknowledges he is following Trayvon and is told that he doesn't have to do that. What more evidence do you need? Or are you just playing dumb?

Anyone with half a brain can understand what happened based on the evidence we already have. Zimmerman was breathing heavily in the conversation and even calls the kid a name. He had obviously pinned Trayvon as a suspicious individual and was following him on foot and in a vehicle. Common sense tells me after confronting him or being confronted for stalking him, he got his ass whooped and shot an unarmed teenager.

5 years min.

Let me correct your inaccuracy based on the physical evidence. Not me making up shit but the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Don't know how it came to be they came into contact (details of who walked up to who) but at some point they come together face-to-face. Martin gets angry that he's being asked what he's doing there at the point and proceeds to beat Zimmerman.

Based on witness accounts and scrapes on his knuckles, he is on Zimmerman bashing his head into the concrete (lacerations on the back of his head) and punching his face while the guy on the bottom (Zimmerman) calls out for help. WE KNOW ALL OF THIS TO BE TRUE FROM THE WITNESS AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. He is getting beat and feels his life is in danger. At this point he shoots Martin (Martin may have gone for the gun but we'll never know for sure). At the point Zimmerman claims his life was in danger is the focal point of this case and what the jury will decide.

Also, why do you guys keep saying unarmed? What does that have to do with anything? People get beat to death everyday in America. You don't need a weapon to be dangerous FACT.

 

[akphidelt]

Let me correct your inaccuracy based on the physical evidence. Not me making up shit but the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Don't know how it came to be they came into contact (details of who walked up to who) but at some point they come together face-to-face. Martin gets angry that he's being asked what he's doing there at the point and proceeds to beat Zimmerman.

Based on witness accounts and scrapes on his knuckles, he is on Zimmerman bashing his head into the concrete (lacerations on the back of his head) and punching his face while the guy on the bottom (Zimmerman) calls out for help. WE KNOW ALL OF THIS TO BE TRUE FROM THE WITNESS AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. He is getting beat and feels his life is in danger. At this point he shoots Martin (Martin may have gone for the gun but we'll never know for sure). At the point Zimmerman claims his life was in danger is the focal point of this case and what the jury will decide.

Also, why do you guys keep saying unarmed? What does that have to do with anything? People get beat to death everyday in America. You don't need a weapon to be dangerous FACT.

Because when you are armed it gives you the confidence to get out of your car to confront people who would whoop your ass. If he wasn't armed he would have stayed his ass in the car and called the police and let the police handle it like he should have. I'm not arguing that Zimmerman was getting his ass beat, that's an obvious fact. I'm arguing the fact that Zimmerman created the confrontation. If you are arguing that Zimmerman was not in pursuit of Trayvon and they just happened to run in to each other than you are a fucking idiot.

 

[Vico_dan]

You don't actually ever saying anything of substance. Sort of pathetic. Man up for a change and actually state your case rather than just commenting on what other people say so you don't have to show us all how fucking dumb you really are. Bout time you man up pussy.

Sounds like the come back one would expect from a highly intellectual, professional individual.

Ok Doc, here you go:

Trayvon was followed because he was a person of color. He had not been seen in the gated community before, and was acting in a suspicious manner.

GZ followed him, and an altercation occurred.

Beyond those facts, no one else can tell you what happened except GZ. People can draw any conclusion they like, but no one else really knows what happened

Charge the guy with profiling if you want, but the rest is how hard we want to try to fit it into our personal or political beliefs.

He walks, and shame on the race baiters for the problems that may come to the inner cities as a result of the verdict. These baiters cheapen the word racism by pulling self-serving stunts like this one.

You are still full of shit, and most people in here know it

 

[akphidelt]

Sounds like the come back one would expect from a highly intellectual, professional individual.

Ok Doc, here you go:

Trayvon was followed because he was a person of color. He had not been seen in the gated community before, and was acting in a suspicious manner.

GZ followed him, and an altercation occurred.

Beyond those facts, no one else can tell you what happened except GZ. People can draw any conclusion they like, but no one else really knows what happened

Charge the guy with profiling if you want, but the rest is how hard we want to try to fit it into our personal or political beliefs.

He walks, and shame on the race baiters for the problems that may come to the inner cities as a result of the verdict. These baiters cheapen the word racism by pulling self-serving stunts like this one.

You are still full of shit, and most people in here know it

Most people in here are some of the most ignorant humans I've ever come accross. I would feel insulted if they didn't think I was full of shit. Because I know they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

I'm perfectly fine with profiling. If I see a young kid in a hoodie in my neighborhood walking around at night, I become suspicious. But I'm not dumb enough to follow the individual in my car and then leave my car to follow him on foot. Because I know that is asking for trouble. That is an act of aggression. Just like if I were walking and someone was following me in a vehicle and then left the vehicle to follow me through an alleyway. If I felt in immediate danger I would probably run for my life. Trayvon obviously is a little more gangster and approached the guy. If the guy ended up catching up to me, I would be in 100% self defense mode. The fact you guys can act like you wouldn't feel the same is ridiculous. Anyone at night who is being followed becomes in self defense mode and in my opinion has the right to beat the shit out of the follower. What if the person following you wanted to kill you?

 

[Enfuego]

Because when you are armed it gives you the confidence to get out of your car to confront people who would whoop your ass. If he wasn't armed he would have stayed his ass in the car and called the police and let the police handle it like he should have. I'm not arguing that Zimmerman was getting his ass beat, that's an obvious fact. I'm arguing the fact that Zimmerman created the confrontation. If you are arguing that Zimmerman was not in pursuit of Trayvon and they just happened to run in to each other than you are a fucking idiot.

And I'm telling you with 100% certainty that you, I and the rest of America have no clue who created the confrontation because we weren't there. You guys on Martin's side seem to want to continue to argue that Zimmerman walked up and a fight ensued. You guys believe this is fact without proof.

Let me ask you one simple question that only requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

IS IT POSSIBLE, only possible, that Zimmerman walked up to Martin, Martin got angry, Zimmerman walked back to his car and Martin walked after him and attacked Zimmerman? IS THIS POSSIBLE?

Simple question.

 

[akphidelt]

"An unnamed girl, the one identified by the Martin family attorney as Trayvon's girlfriend, may be one of the case's most important witnesses. She told prosecutors that she and Trayvon talked by cellphone on and off as he went to the store that evening.

She said Trayvon told her a white man in a vehicle was watching him. Trayvon started walking, and the call cut off, she said. When she called back, "he said this man is still following him."

The girl said Trayvon started running, "and then he said he lost him [Zimmerman]," she said, adding that the teen's "voice kind of changed … I could tell he was scared. And in a couple minutes, he said a man's following him again."

She said Trayvon asked, "Why are you following me for?" and a man's voice said, "What are you doing around here?" Then she heard a noise, and the call cut off.
It's not clear what happened next, but a fight ensued, police have said Zimmerman told them.

A 911 call shows that someone was screaming for help in the background, but two FBI audio specialists tried to identify who and concluded it was impossible. The quality of the recording was not good enough, and the screams didn't last long enough, they wrote."

 

[akphidelt]

And I'm telling you with 100% certainty that you, I and the rest of America have no clue who created the confrontation because we weren't there. You guys on Martin's side seem to want to continue to argue that Zimmerman walked up and a fight ensued. You guys believe this is fact without proof.

Let me ask you one simple question that only requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

IS IT POSSIBLE, only possible, that Zimmerman walked up to Martin, Martin got angry, Zimmerman walked back to his car and Martin walked after him and attacked Zimmerman? IS THIS POSSIBLE?

Simple question.

Of course it's possible

 

[Enfuego]

"An unnamed girl, the one identified by the Martin family attorney as Trayvon's girlfriend, may be one of the case's most important witnesses. She told prosecutors that she and Trayvon talked by cellphone on and off as he went to the store that evening.

She said Trayvon told her a white man in a vehicle was watching him. Trayvon started walking, and the call cut off, she said. When she called back, "he said this man is still following him."

The girl said Trayvon started running, "and then he said he lost him [Zimmerman]," she said, adding that the teen's "voice kind of changed … I could tell he was scared. And in a couple minutes, he said a man's following him again."

She said Trayvon asked, "Why are you following me for?" and a man's voice said, "What are you doing around here?" Then she heard a noise, and the call cut off.
It's not clear what happened next, but a fight ensued, police have said Zimmerman told them.

A 911 call shows that someone was screaming for help in the background, but two FBI audio specialists tried to identify who and concluded it was impossible. The quality of the recording was not good enough, and the screams didn't last long enough, they wrote."

Please don't ignore facts of the case. A WITNESS gave a statement that said a BLACK MAN IN A HOODIE was on top of another guy and the guy ON THE BOTTOM was yelling for help. What do you need the FBI to analyze when you have a person that saw the entire thing with his own eyes?

 

[Enfuego]

Of course it's possible

Then if you think that's possible and I believe it's possible how you describe it don't you think that means we don't know shit about who confronted who and it needs to be decided by a jury?

 

[akphidelt]

Please don't ignore facts of the case. A WITNESS gave a statement that said a BLACK MAN IN A HOODIE was on top of another guy and the guy ON THE BOTTOM was yelling for help. What do you need the FBI to analyze when you have a person that saw the entire thing with his own eyes?

When are you gonna realize I'm not arguing with you that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's ass?

 

[akphidelt]

Then if you think that's possible and I believe it's possible how you describe it don't you think that means we don't know shit about who confronted who and it needs to be decided by a jury?

I don't care who confronted who. The evidence I have seen and what I have heard clearly indicates to me that Zimmerman was actively pursuing Trayvon. Regardless of what happened when contact was made, Zimmerman put himself in that situation and put Trayvon in that situation. The police acknowledge that Zimmerman was following him and left his car to continue following him. There is even facts that Trayvon was at one point running from Zimmerman in which he acknowledged he was running from him.

Regardless of how bad he was getting his ass beat, I think he acted irresponsibly with a weapon on his person. Should he have shot him if he felt in danger, of course. But when you cause a situation, you have to live with the consequences.

 

[texansfan]

Stick to charts and graphs aki. You have no business discussing this topic. It would be like someone asking you about women, something you have no idea about.

 

[Enfuego]

I don't care who confronted who. The evidence I have seen and what I have heard clearly indicates to me that Zimmerman was actively pursuing Trayvon. Regardless of what happened when contact was made, Zimmerman put himself in that situation and put Trayvon in that situation. The police acknowledge that Zimmerman was following him and left his car to continue following him. There is even facts that Trayvon was at one point running from Zimmerman in which he acknowledged he was running from him.

Regardless of how bad he was getting his ass beat, I think he acted irresponsibly with a weapon on his person. Should he have shot him if he felt in danger, of course. But when you cause a situation, you have to live with the consequences.

I feel like trying to teach a disable kid how to ride a bike.

What do you mean you don't care who confronted who? You keep crying that Zimmerman confronted Martin but have admitted that it's possible it could've happened differently.

Ok, let me make this very elementary for you. Let's say you're right and Zimmerman was pursuing Martin. Your big thing is that little Trayvon was so scared because he was being pursued but WHAT IF ZIMMERMAN STOPPED AND MARTIN THEN PURSUED ZIMMERMAN? YOU DON'T KNOW. All of a sudden, Martin put himself in that situation.

News flash smart guy. People carry guns in America and it's not irresponsible. You can't say he caused the situation because you don't know if Martin turned around and pursued him. You don't know. I can't understand for the life of me how you cannot understand this.

 

[Enfuego]

When are you gonna realize I'm not arguing with you that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's ass?

Then WTF are you posting sentences about the FBI not being able to tell who was yelling for help. We know who was yelling for help because a goddamn witness said so. Stop posting a bunch of shit that doesn't matter to the case.

 

[Enfuego]

Stick to charts and graphs aki. You have no business discussing this topic. It would be like someone asking you about women, something you have no idea about.

TF, the guy just admitted it's possible that Martin turned around and pursued Zimmerman and was beating the shit out of him hence the reason Zimmerman shot him. What is hard to understand about this? You're a smart guy.