It is apparent he was not cooperative and that Zimmerman probably asked him to stop so he could talk to him. Again, this often goes unmentioned, but Zimmerman was driving a car that was marked "neighborhood watch". Unless Trayvon was blind or deaf he he must have ignored Zimmerman's request and continued on his way. When Zimmerman went after him it went down hill from there. If that was the scenario then all Trayvon had to do is stop, acknowledge Zimmerman and explain that he lived there (at least his dad did) and that he was on his way home from the convenience store. From the defiant pictures of himself that Trayvon put online and the problems he was having at school it sounds like he had a problem with authority. Again, this was a tragic incident, preventable in many ways and lessons should be learned. But in the legal world this is no slam dunk by any means. Again, he was suspicous because he did not cooperate and probably due to his attitude. I am sure Trayvon never saw it as a life or death incident but there again I don't think Zimmerman did either.
It is apparent he was not cooperative and that Zimmerman probably asked him to stop so he could talk to him. Again, this often goes unmentioned, but Zimmerman was driving a car that was marked "neighborhood watch". Unless Trayvon was blind or deaf he he must have ignored Zimmerman's request and continued on his way. When Zimmerman went after him it went down hill from there. If that was the scenario then all Trayvon had to do is stop, acknowledge Zimmerman and explain that he lived there (at least his dad did) and that he was on his way home from the convenience store. From the defiant pictures of himself that Trayvon put online and the problems he was having at school it sounds like he had a problem with authority. Again, this was a tragic incident, preventable in many ways and lessons should be learned. But in the legal world this is no slam dunk by any means. Again, he was suspicous because he did not cooperate and probably due to his attitude. I am sure Trayvon never saw it as a life or death incident but there again I don't think Zimmerman did either.
Did russ say he had a suspicious attitude? Lmao. I guess he was walking like George Jefferson. These loons will make any excuse to justify zimmerman playing neigborhood cop. Amazing.
Why can't you guys just admit zimmerman saw a black kid in a hoodie and that made him suspicious? It only makes him a racist....so what...it doesn't lose you your repub registration card. Jeez.
Why can't you guys just admit zimmerman saw a black kid in a hoodie and that made him suspicious? It only makes him a racist....so what...it doesn't lose you your repub registration card. Jeez.
There is nothing apparent in this case. Again you are speculating what you think happened. You say Zimmerman had a vehicle labeled "neighborhood watch" on it. If this is true, why did Zimmerman leave his vehicle and pursue on foot? Why did he not simply drive up beside Martin and ask him what he was doing? You say Martin did not cooperate and that's what made him suspicious. How do you know he did not cooperate? You were not there. What I do know from what I have read is that Martin was simply walking home(or to where he was staying at the time) on a street at 7PM(not an unusual hour for someone to be walking down the street). So, again(and I know you won't give me an answer) I ask, how is this suspicous enough to call the cops and then pursue on foot?
hno:^<<^##)"There is nothing apparent in this case"
Bingo. Which is why I said all along, we need to let law enforcement and the courts do their due diligence to find justice.
But, we have ignorant fuck-sticks like Vitterd that knew exactly what happened 1500 miles away in his living room, within 24 hours.
I was merely looking at it like a defense attorney might/should. Remember Trayvon is not here to relate his side of the story. Nobody knows how it came down but when a car is marked "neighborhood watch" the only way you would not acknowledge it is to keep your hoodie down and keep on walking. If you think Zimmerman pursued him on foot without trying to communicate verbally then you need to reassess. Sure Zimmerman got out of the car at some point and he called the cops. What is your point. If you think Zimmerman would pursue someone on foot unless he was being ignored then you are ignoring one of the many possibilities. Again, a defense attorney will reconstruct this whole scenario and a jury will decide the circumstances. I am not defending Zimmerman and my main point is that you, me, in fact no one but Zimmerman knows how it all came down. By pointing out that in a different set of circumstances all Trayvon had to do was tell Zimmerman what he was doing it is a done deal. What is there about that you do not understand. Again, I said this was preventable and tragic but Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and Trayvon has already paid a greater price than anyone could have ever imagined. Get ready for it, if you think Zimmerman is guilty that is one thing, if you think he will be convicted that is another. Shit happens man, all day every day and a lot of it has to do with timing and circumstances. I still don't see how you could possibly think Zimmerman would have pursued Trayvon on foot without trying to communicate with him verbally. That seems unlikely to say the least.
First off, go back and read everyone of my posts concerning this. I am not on anyones side, even though you or some on here may think so. I have asked 1 question numerous times on here that everyone keeps avoiding including you. What exactly made Martin suspicious enough for Zimmerman to call the cops and pursue on foot. Keep avoiding the question but this will have to be answered at some point in the trial because it is relevant. How do you know Zimmerman attempted to talk to Martin first before pursueing him? Again, you are stated things that are not proven yet. Just because you don't think its possible for Zimmerman to pursue Martin without talking to him first doesn't mean that's what happened. He certainly didn't say anything in the 911 call that indicates he had already talked to him. You guys love to create your own scenarios of what might have happened, but it doesn't mean it actually did happen. Try figuring out an answer to my question instead...
The obvious explanation is that Martin did not respond to a verbal inquiry by Zimmerman. You are in fact creating your own scenario and excluding other possibilities. My explanation is a possibility, one which you can neither confirm not deny. If you think both lawyers in this case are not going to offer up one scenario after another then get ready for it. I will ask you a question, do you think Zimmerman will testify at his trial?
I don't know if he will or not. There I answered your question. Now answer mine. I am not creating any scenario, you are!! LOL. You keep say its OBVIOUS that Martin did not respond to a verbal inquiry by Zimmerman. How do you know this? Again, there is nothing obvious in this case so stop saying there is.
Now answer my question...
How many degrees do you have? Why are you still unable to comprehend what you read?
I started the thread with the facts of the case that are not in dispute....all the moron repubs have made crazy specualtions....someone they have eluded your wrath....however any dem speculation and you're right there ready to pounce.
Your liberal buddy Wabash said everything that needs to be said in the 2nd post in this thread:
"A reasonable sane person would wait until they hear all the facts before they say some one is guilty of anything. What you posted is not all the facts. No one knows all the facts yet. "
But that would assume that Vitterd is reasonable and sane.
Carry on. Same troll shit, day after day.
The facts we do know is that he was told not to pursue the individual. We know the individual knew he was being pursued. We know Zimmerman was getting his ass beat by a 17 year old. We know Zimmerman calls the cops all the time. And we know Zimmerman shot an unarmed 17 year old kid and killed him.
Based on this evidence right here that is all facts, I conclude that Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter. You can't go stalking people and not expect to engage in some sort of conflict. Of course you don't expect to get beat up, but with a weapon in hand you have to take caution. He showed a lack of caution and he created a situation that didn't need to be created. Therefore he is guilty. How many years or of what type of crime is up to the jury and the other evidence that comes out.
It doesn't matter how bad Zimmerman got his ass kicked. He instigated the crime and made a situation in which he had to defend himself. It's almost comparable to a robber trying to rob you and you fight back and the robber kills you because you were beating his ass.
Somehow zit can conclude obama is guilty of being born outside the united states and his BC is a fake with zero evidence of it. Yet, all the facts we know in this case..he can't do it
Why can you draw you own conclusions on your warped theory but need every fact in this case?
We have enough facts to draw easy conclusion in this case.
Why can you draw you own conclusions on your warped theory but need every fact in this case?
We have enough facts to draw easy conclusion in this case.
