You still didnt answer my questions about what would you would do!
I dont need a lecture on what happened, I already know all that.
Read what I asked you, and you tell me what what YOU would have done.
It seems to me you are avoiding what I thought all along about you and others, if you and others grew up tough and were in a situation to defend yourselves.
Go to # 62 and read it again. If you can be honest, I would want to see your answer.
I live probably a mile from a four block enclave of apartments that is predominantly black, probably 90%. Its low income housing. Not in the city, kind of an experiment i guess you could say. Its right across the street from GE transportation. I frequent the same stores as many of them, i take runs near them, i coexist with these black folks. There is high crime in that area. I never see it but do hear about it. I do not carry. I own arms but do not carry them. I have been in fights before, lost some won some, but those were days when i was younger, being 32 now i see no reason to fight anyone for any reason. Nobody can say what they would do it that situation but i can tell you i wouldnt have been there because i keep to myself. If i had to place a phone call or get involved with every person that looked suspicious i wouldnt be able to leave my house because the phone would be attached to me ear. If this kid came and attacked me, i would have grabbed his balls and twisted until i felt separation. Bit his neck. Gouged his eye out or punched him in his neck. Kids are not expecting those things. I however am always looking for something to even the odds, maybe a nearby rock, maybe the but of the gun? The bottom line is this cat Zimmerman was looking for an altercation, he followed him. He got his ass whipped and then killed Martin. I would be interested in the crime scene to see how far apart the gun was from the victim. I have a suspicion it wasnt as close as Zimmerman says it was.
As I see it Zimmerman's only out is to say the gun was exposed during the altercation thus it went from being concealed to being exposed. His only out is to say that when Martin spotted the gun that he said he was going to use it to kill Zimmerman and at that point and time Zimmerman did indeed shoot Martin in "self defense". I would imagine that is what took so long to get an indictment and that would be nothing that could be substantiated by a witness although one did hear Zimmerman (not Martin) call for help. That could be construed to mean that Zimmerman did not want to use the gun except as a last resort and there you go. In my mind that places reasonable doubt on the Murder two charge but still leaves him open for manslaughter. That is just my take.
George Zimmerman in bandages the day after he killed Trayvon Martin, a neighbor says
SANFORD, Fla. _ George Zimmerman was wearing bandages the day after he killed Trayvon Martin, his neighbors said, boosting his story that he was injured in a life-or-death scuffle with the teenager.
Jorge Rodriguez, Zimmerman's next-door neighbor, told Reuters that Zimmerman “had two big, butterfly bandages on the back of his head, and another big bandage on the bridge of his nose.”
The severity of Zimmerman's injuries are key to his defense under Florida's Stand Your Ground self-defense law.
Zimmerman says Trayvon jumped him on Feb. 26, broke his nose and pounded his head into the ground.
Zimmerman said he fired his weapon in fear of his life.
Several neighbors told Reuters he looked battered the next day. “I saw two bandages on the back of his head, and his nose was all swollen up,” said one witness.
Meanwhile, Zimmerman lawyer Mark O’Mara formally requested a new judge in the second-degree murder case because Judge Jessica Recksiedler’s husband’s law partner is paid by CNN to analyze the case.
“I hope it gets done immediately. I want a judge in this case so I can have a bond hearing,” O’Mara said.
Zimmerman, who was arrested last week for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old, is “frustrated” at being in jail, O’Mara said.
His family has yet to visit, he said.
“He’s standing in his cell — 10 feet by 10 feet,” O’Mara said. “He’s biding his time. Waiting to get out.”
SANFORD, Fla. _ George Zimmerman was wearing bandages the day after he killed Trayvon Martin, his neighbors said, boosting his story that he was injured in a life-or-death scuffle with the teenager.
Jorge Rodriguez, Zimmerman's next-door neighbor, told Reuters that Zimmerman “had two big, butterfly bandages on the back of his head, and another big bandage on the bridge of his nose.”
The severity of Zimmerman's injuries are key to his defense under Florida's Stand Your Ground self-defense law.
Zimmerman says Trayvon jumped him on Feb. 26, broke his nose and pounded his head into the ground.
Zimmerman said he fired his weapon in fear of his life.
Several neighbors told Reuters he looked battered the next day. “I saw two bandages on the back of his head, and his nose was all swollen up,” said one witness.
Meanwhile, Zimmerman lawyer Mark O’Mara formally requested a new judge in the second-degree murder case because Judge Jessica Recksiedler’s husband’s law partner is paid by CNN to analyze the case.
“I hope it gets done immediately. I want a judge in this case so I can have a bond hearing,” O’Mara said.
Zimmerman, who was arrested last week for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old, is “frustrated” at being in jail, O’Mara said.
His family has yet to visit, he said.
“He’s standing in his cell — 10 feet by 10 feet,” O’Mara said. “He’s biding his time. Waiting to get out.”
George Zimmerman Photo Shows Bloody Head After Trayvon Martin Shooting
A new picture of George Zimmerman, aired publicly for the first time today by ABC News, appears to show blood dripping down the back of his head minutes after he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida. Zimmerman stands charged with second-degree murder, but claims he acted in self-defense after Martin slammed his head into the concrete during a scuffle. The original police report from that night noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the head and nose, but grainy surveillance footage from the police station soon after the shooting was much less conclusive than today's new evidence.
The photo was reportedly taken with an iPhone by an unnamed person who said they heard the fight, but did not see it. Zimmerman told the photographer to call his wife, and when asked what to say, responded, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."
In a statement, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said, "How bad could it have been if they didn't take him to the hospital [and] didn't stitch him up. The special prosecutor has seen all the evidence and still believes George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin."
Zimmerman is in court this morning for a bail hearing in Florida, where ABC News notes, "the burden of proof to deny bail, even in a second-degree murder trial, is higher than needed to seek a conviction in a trial." Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara said, "He needs to get out. He should not be in jail. I want him out because I need him out. He wants to get out. His family wants it out. It should happen."
Just a thought. I think the cry for help plays in Zimmerman's favor. He did not shoot Martin untilafter he cried out for help. In other words had help arrived it would have changed the whole chain of events. I have not heard this mentioned before but it occured to me that this could show that Zimmerman only shot and killed Martin as a last resort. If the concealed gun became exposed during the scuffle and Martin saw it and made a threat along the lines that he was going to use it on Zimmerman it really complicates the chain of events. This will be a very difficult case to prosecute.
Innocent of what? He shot the dude. You will have a hard time claiming self defense in a fist fight when you use a gun to end it. Its just lunacy to see it any other way. The kid couldnt carry a gun by law that is a major strike too. Also, why are you continuing to drag this story along, its just as bad as the media. Its an isolated incident with murky details that can be seen in a multitude of ways. It wasnt a "hate" crime. Whenever a white person kills a black person its news because its so rare, other then that this isnt news worthy at all. Move along nothing to see here.
Bullshit.
Clue for you, when you are getting your head bashed in, there are cases when you can use deadly force to defend yourself.
A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit
George Zimmerman Photo Shows Bloody Head After Trayvon Martin Shooting
A new picture of George Zimmerman, aired publicly for the first time today by ABC News, appears to show blood dripping down the back of his head minutes after he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida. Zimmerman stands charged with second-degree murder, but claims he acted in self-defense after Martin slammed his head into the concrete during a scuffle. The original police report from that night noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the head and nose, but grainy surveillance footage from the police station soon after the shooting was much less conclusive than today's new evidence.
The photo was reportedly taken with an iPhone by an unnamed person who said they heard the fight, but did not see it. Zimmerman told the photographer to call his wife, and when asked what to say, responded, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."
In a statement, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said, "How bad could it have been if they didn't take him to the hospital [and] didn't stitch him up. The special prosecutor has seen all the evidence and still believes George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin."
Zimmerman is in court this morning for a bail hearing in Florida, where ABC News notes, "the burden of proof to deny bail, even in a second-degree murder trial, is higher than needed to seek a conviction in a trial." Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara said, "He needs to get out. He should not be in jail. I want him out because I need him out. He wants to get out. His family wants it out. It should happen."
Not really sure what his point is here. If a person is justified in using deadly force, does a person need to absorb a certain number of blows, or have a certain amount of blood loss before using it? Certainly this lawyer knows that people can be treated at a scene and released or taken into custody. Also, a person can refuse to be transported if they wish as long as they sign a waiver.
Just wait and see, all they have to do is throw out a ray of reasonable doubt. You are not addressing the call for help and that may be a lead in. The shot came after the call by Zimmerman for help. This is going to be a very complicated case, don't fool yourself. What you label as useless a very good lawyer can stretch and build on. They will have to question his frame of mind at the time he pulled the trigger and it will go from there. Good thing you are not his lawyer.
I don't have a dog in this hunt either but it bemuses me to think, like you, that this is some kind of open and shut case. If anything this could develop into a very complex case, but if he tries on a glove and it doesn't fit, I am throwing in the towel. You are right, many thought he would not make bail and the amount is not that much in relation to all the attention it has received. All we can do at this time is sit back and see what happens.
