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Why are you so certain GZ said something to provoke him? And let's say he did, you can't attack physically attack someone because they make a comment to you. If you gave me +600 on TM, I'd take the max.

Well at the same time you shouldn't be able to kill someone from a small beating
 

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It's only "a small beating" if you're not on the bottom of some maniac who has you pinned down, is smashing your head into the concrete, and is wailing away MMA style (testimony supported by head wounds). It seems like a small beating now but if you're GZ how are you supposed to know when the maniac doing the beating is gonna quit? How does he know if he's gonna survive that beating? If I was GZ I woulda pulled the trigger in self defense, too.
 
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It's only "a small beating" if you're not on the bottom of some maniac who has you pinned down, is smashing your head into the concrete, and is wailing away MMA style (testimony supported by head wounds). It seems like a small beating now but if you're GZ how are you supposed to know when the maniac doing the beating is gonna quit? How does he know if he's gonna survive that beating? If I was GZ I woulda pulled the trigger in self defense, too.
I was under the assumption that it still has not been proven who was actually on top doing the beating. Again, I ask was their some testimony given that proves what you are saying or are you being like Enfuego and just comming to your own conclusion based on what you "think" happened?
 

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It's only "a small beating" if you're not on the bottom of some maniac who has you pinned down, is smashing your head into the concrete, and is wailing away MMA style (testimony supported by head wounds). It seems like a small beating now but if you're GZ how are you supposed to know when the maniac doing the beating is gonna quit? How does he know if he's gonna survive that beating? If I was GZ I woulda pulled the trigger in self defense, too.

So you do agree GZ is a pussy then? He is "man" enough to carry a gun in a neighborhood, approach a kid who has done nothing, and can't even defend himself without the use of a weapon? Sorry but that will never make sense to me. I would have a totally different opinion if GZ was sitting on his stoop minding his own business.
 
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Wabash, You can read. Testimony is what I said.
Really? Can you give me the name of the witness who gave this testimony? I'd like to read it myself because I was just reading some news reports about the trial and it said their was still conflicting reports about who was on top.
 

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terps, GZ was on neighborhood watch because black kids had been breaking into homes in the neighborhood. He was trying to protect his neighborhood and the people in it. Where I come from, that is precisely the job of a man, to protect his (and neighbor's) family and property. Sometimes minding your own business is the cowards way out. It takes a man to defend what should be defended and stand up to bad guys. GZ is a hero in my book. He was trying to do the right thing when the whole thing got out of hand and unintended consequences resulted. That's it. Seems clear as a bell to me after the testimony we've heard.
 

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Maybe you should stop questioning the people who are paying attention, and pay attention, yourself, Wabash.
 

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Well at the same time you shouldn't be able to kill someone from a small beating

I think that's my point Terps. We have all looked at this situation as if we were in the situation but none of us really knows. GZ may not have thought it was a small beating. What if he had never been in a fight before? What if he were very weak and very passive? His beating is not the same as our view if that makes sense.
 

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I was under the assumption that it still has not been proven who was actually on top doing the beating. Again, I ask was their some testimony given that proves what you are saying or are you being like Enfuego and just comming to your own conclusion based on what you "think" happened?

Dude, the first witness gave a statement and testified to seeing Martin on top of Zimmerman that night. What am I making up? If you aren't following the case, feel free to refrain from commenting until you know the facts.
 

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John Good. Now quit questioning those of us who are paying attention unless you know what you are talking about.
 

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So you do agree GZ is a pussy then? He is "man" enough to carry a gun in a neighborhood, approach a kid who has done nothing, and can't even defend himself without the use of a weapon? Sorry but that will never make sense to me. I would have a totally different opinion if GZ was sitting on his stoop minding his own business.

This is the case with many people in America hence the reason they carry weapons. I don't see what it has to do with anything at all.
 

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Really? Can you give me the name of the witness who gave this testimony? I'd like to read it myself because I was just reading some news reports about the trial and it said their was still conflicting reports about who was on top.

Are you watching the case at all? His name is Jonathan Good and this is what he said...

On the trial’s fifth day, Good recounted being 15 to 20 feet away from the fight between Zimmerman and Martin. Although he couldn’t make out the faces of the people on the ground, Good said he could make out the color of their clothes. In crucial testimony that buttresses the defense’s argument, Good said the person on top of the fight was wearing a black top like the black hoodie sweatshirt Martin was wearing that night, and the person on the bottom was wearing red. Zimmerman was wearing a similar color that night.

Good said it seemed that the person on the bottom was yelling for help. Good said he saw the person on top “straddling” the person on the bottom, and the person on top was moving his hands in a downward striking motion that looked like what he called a “ground and pound,” a term associated with MMA, or mixed-martial arts fighting.
 

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God, if you aren't paying attention to the case, just stop commenting in this thread.

It's obvious some of you are just trolling in here.
 

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terps, GZ was on neighborhood watch because black kids had been breaking into homes in the neighborhood. He was trying to protect his neighborhood and the people in it. Where I come from, that is precisely the job of a man, to protect his (and neighbor's) family and property. Sometimes minding your own business is the cowards way out. It takes a man to defend what should be defended and stand up to bad guys. GZ is a hero in my book. He was trying to do the right thing when the whole thing got out of hand and unintended consequences resulted. That's it. Seems clear as a bell to me after the testimony we've heard.

He called the police which was fine... approaching the kid was just dumb. What good could have came out of this? Simply approaching a black kid with a gun makes you a hero?
 
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Dude, the first witness gave a statement and testified to seeing Martin on top of Zimmerman that night. What am I making up? If you aren't following the case, feel free to refrain from commenting until you know the facts.
So, are you saying not a single person has testified that they thought it was Zimmerman on top? Is that what you are telling me?
 
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God, if you aren't paying attention to the case, just stop commenting in this thread.

It's obvious some of you are just trolling in here.
Enfuego, you made up your mind as to what happened in this case long before the trial even started. And I can make any comment I want on here.
 

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Did he have the gun drawn? Do you really think he was planning on using that gun when he asked some guy who he had never seen in his neiborhood before what he was doing? He was taking a beating over asking a question. He was getting his head smashed into concrete. He got his nose broken. He was under the guy beating the crap out of him. I'm sure the thought went through his head, what would happen if Trayvon came across the gun. Was GZ, who appears to be much bigger than Trayvon a whimp for failing completely in that fight? Maybe. But like Enfuego said there are all kinds of people out here who haven't a clue how to defend themselves with their body and fists. He shot the guy who was beating the crap out of him before the guy either killed him with his fists or found the gun and killed him that way. He was a hero because he was defending something good against something bad. Period.
 

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Did he have the gun drawn? Do you really think he was planning on using that gun when he asked some guy who he had never seen in his neiborhood before what he was doing? He was taking a beating over asking a question. He was getting his head smashed into concrete. He got his nose broken. He was under the guy beating the crap out of him. I'm sure the thought went through his head, what would happen if Trayvon came across the gun. Was GZ, who appears to be much bigger than Trayvon a whimp for failing completely in that fight? Maybe. But like Enfuego said there are all kinds of people out here who haven't a clue how to defend themselves with their body and fists. He shot the guy who was beating the crap out of him before the guy either killed him with his fists or found the gun and killed him that way. He was a hero because he was defending something good against something bad. Period.


Hero? Lmao. Killing an unarmed kid walking home from the store to his dads house, makes him a hero? Man, you say alot of dumb shit in here but that might be the dumbest.
 

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Where did I say that GZ was a hero for killing an unarmed kid? I know you can't read a thread or paragraph with multiple thoughts without confusing and altering the thoughts so why don't you just keep out of the discussion. We were doing fine without you, Vit.
 

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