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C'mon.....to say Quentin has no shot is ludicrous. He could very easily end up with numbers like this:

Avg .300
HR 45
RBI 130

If the White Sox win the division and his numbers are similar to the above, then he wins it unless Hamilton plays out of his mind.

I really should explain myself, these award votes are like academy award votes, very political.
Hamilton has been getting all sorts of stupid lovin' press, "the feel good story of the year", "the comeback kid" yadda, yadda, yadda....

That plays a huge factor in the voting, don't kid yourself.

p.s. Q is putting up crazy good numbers, I always knew the kid had it him in.
 

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C'mon.....to say Quentin has no shot is ludicrous. He could very easily end up with numbers like this:

Avg .300
HR 45
RBI 130

If the White Sox win the division and his numbers are similar to the above, then he wins it unless Hamilton plays out of his mind.

He would have to go absolutely crazy in the final 39 games to have numbers like that. No way his BA jumps up almost 10 points in 39 games. It will actually probably go down a little bit. He would need 11 HR's and 35 RBI's in the rest of the season to reach those numbers as well. He's actually on pace to hit exactly 45 HR's and 124 RBI's. So if he stays on his pace for the rest of the season he will end up with.

Avg .292
HR 45
RBI 124

Very good numbers. Lets check out Hamiltons pace.

Avg .304
HR 36
RBI 148

Hamilton wins MVP easily going by these numbers, especially when you add his story, which you have to.
 

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He would have to go absolutely crazy in the final 39 games to have numbers like that. No way his BA jumps up almost 10 points in 39 games. It will actually probably go down a little bit. He would need 11 HR's and 35 RBI's in the rest of the season to reach those numbers as well. He's actually on pace to hit exactly 45 HR's and 124 RBI's. So if he stays on his pace for the rest of the season he will end up with.

Avg .292
HR 45
RBI 124

Very good numbers. Lets check out Hamiltons pace.

Avg .304
HR 36
RBI 148

Hamilton wins MVP easily going by these numbers, especially when you add his story, which you have to.

Would have to go crazy to have numbers like that? Are you kidding? His on pace numbers almost exactly match my projections. And it wouldn't be out of the question for him to raise his average 8 points in the final 6 weeks. Heck, if he goes 5-5 tonight, he will be at .300. I'm not saying he's going to have those numbers, but he has a great shot at them.
 

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Quintin better get it. He carried the ChiSox for the first half of the year, and will end up with 45 HR's.
 

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That's still a chance though and way better than anyone expected from them. Do I think they will be close to a playoff spot? No, they shouldn't even really be close by the end, but Hamilton gave them hope of possibly making a run and that counts towards something. I don't know for sure, but Hamilton has a better BA by 12 points, 19 more RBI's, only 7 less R's (he doesn't have Dye, Thome and Konerko hitting behind him), only 6 less HR's and 2 more SB's. He also plays great defense and has an amazing story (this counts for a lot).

I'd give anyone even odds on who wins MVP, Quentin or Hamilton, with me taking Josh.

Quentin is having a great year, but I just can't see him winning MVP.

Quick, name the studs batting in front of Quintin? Guarantee they are not as good as what Texas has. Dye,Thome, and Konerko didn't do anything for the first 6 weeks of the season. Konerko still hasn't done anything. Swisher has been a big disappointment too.
 

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The Greek has re-issued these lines.

Quentin down to -125 but for some reason Morneau is still at +650, which is quite unbelievable.

imo, if Minny gets into the playoffs Morneau will win over Quentin (even if the WS get in as well). Their numbers are very alike and factoring in the lineup/ballpark/veteran status it seems more likely.

Only other real candidates are Youklis and Hamilton, but they are outsiders at this point.
 

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The Greek has re-issued these lines.

Quentin down to -125 but for some reason Morneau is still at +650, which is quite unbelievable.

imo, if Minny gets into the playoffs Morneau will win over Quentin (even if the WS get in as well). Their numbers are very alike and factoring in the lineup/ballpark/veteran status it seems more likely.

Only other real candidates are Youklis and Hamilton, but they are outsiders at this point.

Can't agree with you on Morneau over Quentin. I don't think ballpark is factored in enough to account for a 16 HR discrepancy, more runs, higher OBP, slugging. Plus, Morneneau already won one and giving him two would put him in elite status.

I threw some money on K-Rod today at +1500. I would think K-Rod would be more deserving of Cy young than MVP when he breaks the saves record on a 1st place team, given Cliff Lee is the only other Cy candidate. However, sentiment seems to be growing that K-Rod has a better chance to be recognized as an MVP in a season in which there is no clear cut than Cy Young where Lee has dominated.
 

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Can't agree with you on Morneau over Quentin. I don't think ballpark is factored in enough to account for a 16 HR discrepancy, more runs, higher OBP, slugging. Plus, Morneneau already won one and giving him two would put him in elite status.

I threw some money on K-Rod today at +1500. I would think K-Rod would be more deserving of Cy young than MVP when he breaks the saves record on a 1st place team, given Cliff Lee is the only other Cy candidate. However, sentiment seems to be growing that K-Rod has a better chance to be recognized as an MVP in a season in which there is no clear cut than Cy Young where Lee has dominated.


Well maybe its just me but HR's mean absolutely nothing. Its all about RBI's, it doesn't matter how you get them in. Morneau actually has more RBI's then Quentin and has a higher batting average.

And the ballpark will be a factor, especially when the numbers are so close. Everybody who knows baseball knows the White Sox home field is a complete bandbox, probably top 3 in baseball for hitters. Plus when you factor in the batting lineups and the fact Morneau is carrying the team offensively and they are a surprise team I find it real hard to believe if Minnesota gets in they don't reward them through Morneau.

Nobody thought Nash would get MVP twice but it seems more likely if somebody voted for you once, they will have no problem voting for you again. Anywho +650 represents incredible value. Its basically a two horse race and even if you give Quentin the edge right now the advantage isn't this great.

As for K-Rod I don't see it. Too many walks and I think only a sub 2 era would be acceptable here. His 50 saves is eye catching but the odds of him garnering more votes then an outfield player is slim to none.
 
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i strongly feel the Twins are going to win the division so Carlos won't get it
 

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Youkilis vs Morneau as of now


Youkilis .318
Morneau .308

Youkilis: 24 HR
Morneau: 20 HR

Youkilis: 91 RBI
Morneau: 102 RBI

Youkilis: 81 Runs
Morneau: 78 runs

Youkilis: .957 OPS
Morneau: .898 OPS
 

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Youkilis vs Morneau as of now


Youkilis .318
Morneau .308

Youkilis: 24 HR
Morneau: 20 HR

Youkilis: 91 RBI
Morneau: 102 RBI

Youkilis: 81 Runs
Morneau: 78 runs

Youkilis: .957 OPS
Morneau: .898 OPS

Whore, used to be interesting when you used to middle the Box office lines, you still doing any of that?
 

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Well maybe its just me but HR's mean absolutely nothing. Its all about RBI's, it doesn't matter how you get them in. Morneau actually has more RBI's then Quentin and has a higher batting average.

And the ballpark will be a factor, especially when the numbers are so close. Everybody who knows baseball knows the White Sox home field is a complete bandbox, probably top 3 in baseball for hitters. Plus when you factor in the batting lineups and the fact Morneau is carrying the team offensively and they are a surprise team I find it real hard to believe if Minnesota gets in they don't reward them through Morneau.

Nobody thought Nash would get MVP twice but it seems more likely if somebody voted for you once, they will have no problem voting for you again. Anywho +650 represents incredible value. Its basically a two horse race and even if you give Quentin the edge right now the advantage isn't this great.

As for K-Rod I don't see it. Too many walks and I think only a sub 2 era would be acceptable here. His 50 saves is eye catching but the odds of him garnering more votes then an outfield player is slim to none.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

According to this it's been the 7th best hitter friendly park so far this season. It's behind Fenway. Also to say that having a home run differential that is that big isn't a big deal is crazy. OPS is one of the most looked at offensive statistics and his is much higher than Morneau. If the White Sox get to the playoffs there is no chance that Quentin doesn't get the MVP. Just my opinion.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

According to this it's been the 7th best hitter friendly park so far this season. It's behind Fenway. Also to say that having a home run differential that is that big isn't a big deal is crazy. OPS is one of the most looked at offensive statistics and his is much higher than Morneau. If the White Sox get to the playoffs there is no chance that Quentin doesn't get the MVP. Just my opinion.


Yankee Stadium, Comerica, Fenway and Wrigley aren't better hitter ballparks than the US Cellular Bandbox. They're only ranked higher because all those teams can score. You think Cincy and Philly's home ballparks are 15/16th in the league for offense? I don't think so.

And yes if the WS make it and Minny doesn't of course Quentin will win. However if both teams make the playoffs I favour Morneau.
 

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Yankee Stadium, Comerica, Fenway and Wrigley aren't better hitter ballparks than the US Cellular Bandbox. They're only ranked higher because all those teams can score. You think Cincy and Philly's home ballparks are 15/16th in the league for offense? I don't think so.

And yes if the WS make it and Minny doesn't of course Quentin will win. However if both teams make the playoffs I favour Morneau.

The White Sox are arguably a better offensive team than the Yankee's and are equal to the Red Sox. They are also a better hitting team than Detroit statistically. This would mean one of two things.

1. The White Sox, who lead the MLB in home runs at home by a wide margin, are a very powerful team that increases the image of their ballpark being a bandbox. In reality it is no easier to hit at US Cellular than it is at the Metrodome. The Twins just haven't been as prolific of an offensive team. I'll argue that any artificial turf is easier to hit on than a natural surface. The ball gets through the infield and outfield much faster.

2. White Sox pitching is very underrated for holding opponents down at home and keeping them in the ballpark. I tend to lean towards the middle. I personally think the White Sox power has made it seem that their ballpark is a better hitters park than it really is. I also think there pitching has been good but isn't as good as holding down opponents in the perceived "easy" hitting park.

- The White Sox have scored more than 50% of their runs off the home run ball and it is an intricate part of their offense. If you break down the raw statistics:

Justin Morneau has 38 2B's, 20 HR's, 102 RBI's, .308 AVG, .388 OBP, .511 SLG, and an .899 OPS.

Quentin has 25 2B's, 36 HR's, 100 RBI's, 7 SB, .292 AVG, .398 OBP, .582 SLG, and a .980 OPS.

His offensive numbers are simply more prolific. His slugging, OBP and OPS are much better than Morneau's. Also Carlos Quentin is leading the MLB in game winning RBI's. He also is hitting .362 in Late Inning Pressure Situations with 7 HR's and 16 RBI's. Which is slightly better than Morneau's numbers which are also very good.

The MVP award goes to baseballs most valuable player and the Chicago White Sox wouldn't be a .500 team w/o Carlos Quentin in 2008. When Thome, Konerko, and Swisher were simply awful, he stepped it up and was terrific.

Despite all of those reasons, the reason I think Quentin is a lock for the MVP is because down the stretch he has been phenomenal. Since the All-Star Break he's hitting .331 with 14 HR's and 30 RBI's in 35 games. Morneau is hitting .268 with 6 HR's and 34 RBI's in 38 games. Morneau has more RBI's because no one will pitch to Quentin anymore; even with Dye hitting behind him. His OBP is a staggering .455 since the ASB compared to Morneau's .381. He has been the best player in the league post ASB and the voters will take that into account when picking the MVP. He showed up in the most important part of the season. If he continue to do what he is doing, and the White Sox make the playoffs, he will be a lock to win the MVP.

Anyone talking about Youkilis can't be serious. Only reason he is even in the discussion is because he's on the Red Sox. Morneau and Quentin are the favorites, and I think Hamilton would be more deserving than Youkilis. He has had a very good season but he hasn't been the big time player that Quentin and Morneau have been for their team. Youk isn't even the most feared hitter on his own team.
 

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The White Sox are arguably a better offensive team than the Yankee's and are equal to the Red Sox. They are also a better hitting team than Detroit statistically. This would mean one of two things.

Anyone talking about Youkilis can't be serious. Only reason he is even in the discussion is because he's on the Red Sox. Morneau and Quentin are the favorites, and I think Hamilton would be more deserving than Youkilis. He has had a very good season but he hasn't been the big time player that Quentin and Morneau have been for their team. Youk isn't even the most feared hitter on his own team.


Yes statistically they are close with the help of their home park. Notice the difference in runs scored at home/away for the Chi Sox as compared to those other good offenses.

And Youklis is def in the mix. His numbers are on the same level, no reason why he can't win it.

Also note there are still 30 games left in the season. Guys like Youklis and Morneau are proven players who have had great entire seasons. Quentin is playing his first full year in the bigs and first in the AL.
 

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Yes statistically they are close with the help of their home park. Notice the difference in runs scored at home/away for the Chi Sox as compared to those other good offenses.

And Youklis is def in the mix. His numbers are on the same level, no reason why he can't win it.

Also note there are still 30 games left in the season. Guys like Youklis and Morneau are proven players who have had great entire seasons. Quentin is playing his first full year in the bigs and first in the AL.

Quentin has also gotten better as the year has gone on, and has outplayed the "proven" players down the stretch.

Also notice the White Sox pitching has been better at home. It isn't with the help of their home park. Also where are you getting that the White Sox are hitting far better at home. Cabrera is the same, Dye has the same amount of HR's on the road as he does at home but his average is lower on the road, Quentin has a much higher average on the road but with fewer home runs, AJ is about equal and Alexei Ramirez has a much higher BA on the road but with fewer HR's.

The White Sox have been pretty solid on the Road and at Home. They've also pitched better at home than they have on the Road so that wouldn't make sense for their ballpark. Their ballpark is no easier to hit in than the Twins.

We'll agree to disagree but Quentin has outplayed the "proven" players, Youkilis and Morneau, down the stretch so what makes people think he is going to suddenly stop hitting?
 

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