After listening to Dan Patrick on ESPN radio, Rogers should be suspended,used benzoin

[fucnluc]

Kojak,

Just saw this on another forum, thought it might add some fuel to your fire. Article comparing Rogers hats, he insists on wearing a batting practice one because the bill is black, he also uses a marker to black the orange rim on the away one.

Can you say, trying to conceal something?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/061023

 

[kidslick]

Maybe LaRussa did not want to ask Marquez to check Rogers...because maybe Weaver is using something too...

Hard to figure that Duncan worked such a "miracle" on Weaver in a short period of time...when he could not work the same "miracle" on Ponson...and he had him in spring training.

If not Weaver...maybe LaRussa knows some of his pitchers are using some stuff too.

Who knows...

But you can't call out LaRussa on why he didn't have him checked...and then say that it is not LaGenius' responsibility.

TonyMar -- you are one of my favorite posters at the this site:toast:

Also, does anybody remember when Kenny went into the clubhouse with his glove still on...very unusual...I wonder WHAT ELSE he was trying to hide.

There is no question he was using a sticky substance to help his game (and has been all postseason), but I dont know if that's 100% why he has been pitched so well in the post-season. I am just wondering what else he has been doing that may have improved his game that much more...

bznofx19-- you know just as well as me that cheating is part of the game. It has been throughout the history of baseball, pichers using foreign substances, players using corked bats , pitchers using creams from an alternative M.D. to help them heal faster..etc etc etc

 

[chanoo552]

Is this what Fox is doing to juice up the series?

 

[deucedeuce]

Lets see how he pitches the next game, if he gets lit up, we know he was fucking around..

doesn't prove a thing

 

[deucedeuce]

To end discussion on whether it was dirt or not, Tony Larussa just held press conference. Here are some of the remarks and answers to questions. This is not verbatim but what a poster on STLToday reports back on.

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=410736

That proves absolutely nothing, if Larussa had a real suspicion he would have been all over it.

 

[deucedeuce]

i like Rogers, and he pitched a hell of a game, i lost the over bet (hoping Weaver would have given up a few more.) but i dont think it was anything more than what he said it was "dirt"

 

[Iceman]

Kojak,

I have one question for you. What if you are wrong? What if it wasn't any substance. Not saying I beleive it wasn't some sort of substance but it is after the fact and after he washed it off he completly shut them down. The oppurtunity to catch him was passed by. You can't judge something off a photo no matter how obvious it looks to some.

What do you want to do about it now? There is nothing that can be done. Not coming down on you but the crying and complaining by some (not saying you) is really useless. Nobody but Rogers will ever know what it was. So lets move forward.

 

[Fishhead]

Isn't or wasn't Larussa a lawyer at one time? He's out of practice I guess.

Somehow I find this to be the funniest post of the day here at TheRX.

Good stuff JMAN.

uppy:

 

[Kojak]

iceman,
It is not me saying he used benzoin, it was Keith Olbermann. ESPN is running with the story and blowing it up. As a baseball guy, I agree it is time to let it go and play ball. I don't want this series though likely is to be scarred by this incident. I think he did cheat last night. I think he cheated before last night. But if baseball turns their back, why should we be concerned. My only advice to Carpenter would be to go out and shut them down without cheating. It feels better to win or in fact lose without cheating as cheating only ruins what you accomplish.

I do feel bad for Tigers fans like yourself and for Leyland who don't deserve the responsibility to defend him. Your team has had a great season and don't think it should be blemished by this. Let's just hope for a cheat free and blemish free rest of the series, and hopefully the Cards win!:toast:

 

[peteep]

Kojak - you can't simply take it as fact that it was benzoin because some guy at espn said so. Todd Jones said it might have been chocolate cake but I'm not about to believe him. If benzoin can actually be washed off while remaining "sticky", I see no reason why Kenny would not have washed his hands before the game. No need to have the stain there if it doesn't need to be. He used something obviously, but we dont know what.

 

[Kojak]

peteep,
I will take opposite stance. Why would Rogers wash his hands because of them having dirt on them as dirt is not an illegal substance. If dirt is not an illegal substance and I was asked to wash my hands, I would not do it as it is not illegal. Olbermann could be wrong on what substance was. There is no for sure. But one thing for sure is that it was dirt and it was an illegal substance. Whether that substance was benzoin is another question but questioning the fact that spot on his hand was only dirt is absurd imo. There is 100% no doubt it was not dirt in my mind and I am not in the minority on this issue.

 

[Journeyman]

Think about it logically though, if you're going to doctor a baseball why would you make it so ridiculously obvious in the biggest game of your life!?

Rogers is going to risk everything , his parents in attendance , risk his teams season,with the nation watching ... I think it is unfortunate this is even being talked about 24 hours later.

 

[peteep]

peteep,
I will take opposite stance. Why would Rogers wash his hands because of them having dirt on them as dirt is not an illegal substance. If dirt is not an illegal substance and I was asked to wash my hands, I would not do it as it is not illegal. Olbermann could be wrong on what substance was. There is no for sure. But one thing for sure is that it was dirt and it was an illegal substance. Whether that substance was benzoin is another question but questioning the fact that spot on his hand was only dirt is absurd imo. There is 100% no doubt it was not dirt in my mind and I am not in the minority on this issue.

I'm not arguing that he didnt use something other than dirt, but you seemed convinced it was benzoin because of what you heard on the radio. He used something but I just dont understand his thinking. Why put it on your exposed hand and why use something so noticeable. Hell maybe it was just cause he got away with it before who knows. Nonetheless, I bet a lot of cards and tiger pitchers are worried about how they will hide it in the upcoming games.

 

[TTinCO]

That proves absolutely nothing, if Larussa had a real suspicion he would have been all over it.

That's the part that I don't understand. If you don't get him checked during the game, you can't bitch the next day.

 

[Slotech]

Think about it logically though, if you're going to doctor a baseball why would you make it so ridiculously obvious in the biggest game of your life!?

Rogers is going to risk everything , his parents in attendance , risk his teams season,with the nation watching ... I think it is unfortunate this is even being talked about 24 hours later.

WHY?

Because WINNING is EVERYTHING...haven't you heard?

Besides, such infractions seem to be commonplace in today's game according to those involved thus, a culture of rule's violations has evolved throughout MLB.

More importantly and seemingly overlooked was MLB's cover-up of their unwillingness to enforce rule infractions...meaning the rule violating culture has been condoned by those tasked with enforcement.

Embarrassing to say the least.