Yes really. Do you think the colts were really a 2-14 team? Obviously they lost Peyton manning but they didn't even try to get a serviceable backup. Last time I checked rg3 had one of the best rookie seasons @ qb ever. The man was coming off his second acl surgery in less than 5 years with no off season ( which happens to be one of the most vital). The team was/is serving a cap penalty of $36 million the last two seasons. Not only that but our #1 reciever was the colts #2.
Yes really. Do you think the colts were really a 2-14 team? Obviously they lost Peyton manning but they didn't even try to get a serviceable backup. Last time I checked rg3 had one of the best rookie seasons @ qb ever. The man was coming off his second acl surgery in less than 5 years with no off season ( which happens to be one of the most vital). The team was/is serving a cap penalty of $36 million the last two seasons. Not only that but our #1 reciever was the colts #2.
I would bet bet my life that RG3 stays and bet every dollar I have that Shanahan goes.
Yes luck is #1 although I dont think Pagono is the right coach for him.
RG3 is a lot better then the over reaction of this thread.
Wilson will go down as the best value of the draft being picked in the 3rd.
All 3 will have long careers assuming injury does not hamper them.
RG3 is a lot better then the over reaction of this thread.
Wilson will go down as the best value of the draft being picked in the 3rd.
All 3 will have long careers assuming injury does not hamper them.
I get where you are coming from.
But it may not be as big a gap as you think 15 years from now.
15 years from now Luck may end up with a Peyton Manning type career and Wilson ends up with a Drew Brees type career.
Would there be any losers in that scenario?
Not really.
if it ends up like that, that would be making my point for me really. The difference between a 1st and 3rd rd pick over those 15 years would pale in comparison to the difference between Peyton Manning and Drew Brees over 10-12 years or whatever. Over a long time period like that it mostly is gonna comedown to who is better when you are talking guys on that level.
Not sure what any losers means? The topic is which 1 is more value, you can be less value and not lose...
Well I forgot the fact that you and me has a different opinion on how large the gap is between Brees and Manning.
That would not be a good example in this case.
As a matter of fact it was a horrible example come to think of it.
But I do understand exactly what you are saying as far as 1st round vs 3rd round 15 years later.
The further you get away from that draft the less meaning it has.
I wonder if Seattle could go into a time machine knowing what they know now if they would have been willing to trade there 1st and 3rd to move up in the draft to take Luck?
I dont think they would.
Rodgers for sure.
But there is not a single statistic that you can produce that would not put Brees in Mannings class.
Brees has almost all the career passing records, and the ones he does not have baring injury he will have in the future.
Brees has a very real chance of being the NFL's alltime passing leader.
And they both have the same amount of Super Bowls.
And uh Brees played against Manning in a Super Bowl.
Brees won that game.
There is nothing definitely that Manning is vastly better at then Brees.
People should check out the passing record books someday.
Brees name is all over the place.
Team record over a long period of time?
Manning has played on 12 win teams every year since 2003 besides 2010.
While his playoff record isn't great, he always gets there and a lot of times with a bye.
If Drew Brees is on a deficient team they can easily not even make the playoffs.
Not trying to defend Peyton too much but people give him shit for his playoff record when lesser caliber players just simply wouldn't make the playoffs in those spots.
Manning has played on 12 win teams every year since 2003 besides 2010.
While his playoff record isn't great, he always gets there and a lot of times with a bye.
If Drew Brees is on a deficient team they can easily not even make the playoffs.
Not trying to defend Peyton too much but people give him shit for his playoff record when lesser caliber players just simply wouldn't make the playoffs in those spots.
I don't give Peyton shit. He is one of the alltime greats.
But I hope you don't have the misconception that Brees plays with elite talent.
I honestly don't think the saints have a single wr that could start for the Chicago Bears.
The running game is below average and the o line is in shambles.
Only elite talent he has around him is graham and a brilliant coach
But I hope you don't have the misconception that Brees plays with elite talent.
I honestly don't think the saints have a single wr that could start for the Chicago Bears.
The running game is below average and the o line is in shambles.
Only elite talent he has around him is graham and a brilliant coach
I would take Wilson over all of them today. I'm not saying 10 years from now, but right now Wilson is by himself. The NFC championship goes through Seattle. Much credit goes to their stellar defense and great home field advantage but equally to Wilson as well. While Indy is shaping up to be a one and done in the playoffs.
