Yup....liberals wrong again..this never gets old

[GasMan]

Hate crime LOL....is Guesser ever right?

Source: Orlando attacker’s ties to American suicide bomber in Syria ‘deeper’ than thought



By Catherine Herridge
Published June 14, 2016 FoxNews.com


Now Playing Homicide bomber in Syria identified as Florida man

The relationship between Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen and an American suicide bomber in Syria was much “deeper” than previously understood by federal investigators, according to a government source.
Fox News was told the relationship as well as the Mateen case in general are "very complex" but would not go further, citing the sensitivity of the FBI investigation and classified information. The source said the bomber's return to Florida in 2013 is under fresh scrutiny as well.
Mateen’s name surfaced twice for FBI investigators in the run-up to the attack. After the first, full FBI investigation of Mateen concluded in March 2014, his name surfaced two months later in a second, separate FBI investigation of American suicide bomber Moner Abu-Salha -- who drove 16 tons of explosives into a Syrian government facility on behalf of Al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front in late May of that year. The men had attended the same Eastern Florida mosque. At the time of the 2014 investigation, the FBI determined the association was minimal.
FBI Director James Comey told reporters Monday a witness had identified Mateen to the FBI during their investigation of Abu-Salha and claimed Mateen was watching videos from the American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, an Al Qaeda terrorist targeted for death by the CIA in 2011.
Reading Awlaki sermons and watching his videos are among the most common and obvious red flags for homegrown terrorism. This is what San Bernardino shooters Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook were watching before they killed 14 people in December. Both of the Boston Marathon bombers studied the cleric's radical teachings before they planted pressure-cooker bombs at the finish line of the race in 2013; Maj. Nidal Hasan exchanged emails with the American cleric before he opened fire at Fort Hood in 2009.
In 911 calls Mateen made a half-hour into the Pulse attack, Mateen pledged allegience to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and expressed his solidarity with the Boston Marathon bombers and Abu-Salha.
Rep. Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said the prior FBI investigations was thorough, and without evidence of a crime, they could not proceed.
"If there wasn't evidence for material support of terrorism, if there weren't overt acts and support of a conspiracy, if there wasn't evidence of an actual crime committed, they were not in a position to arrest them," Schiff told Fox News.
Fox News has also learned there is evidence of significant premeditation, and surveillance was done on at least two sites in advance of buying the weapons about a week before Sunday’s attack. The surveillance included the Pulse nightclub and Downtown Disney. People magazine first reported Mateen's scouting of Disney. It is not clear how serious and comprehensive the surveillance of the Disney site was, and whether it was aspirational or more than that.
Disney said in a statement Monday night: "Unfortunately we've all been living in a world of uncertainty, and we have been increasing our security measures across our properties for some time, adding such visible safeguards as magnetometers, additional canine units, and law enforcement officers on site, as well as less visible systems that employ state-of-the-art security technologies."
Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham said the FBI should use intelligence-gathering, rather than criminal, standards in these cases.
"The FBI closed this file because the Obama administration treats radical Islamic threats as common crimes. I am not trying to solve a crime. I am trying to prevent an attack and if we kept the file open and we saw what he was up to, I think we could have stopped it," Graham said, adding the focus would be on the suspect’s actions. "I am not suggesting he be followed because he is a Muslim. I am suggesting that he be followed because of what he did and what he said."
An FBI spokesperson had no comment on the ongoing Orlando investigation.

Catherine Herridge is an award-winning Chief Intelligence correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC) based in Washington, D.C. She covers intelligence, the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security. Herridge joined FNC in 1996 as a London-based correspondent.

 

[GasMan]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...cide-bomber-in-syria-deeper-than-thought.html


May wanna watch the video, very revealing as to what is going on with ISIS, Al Queda and the other group of terrorist factions.

 

[GasMan]

 

[russ1945]

Hate crime - yes muslems hate infidels, especially gays and women. Why do they hate them, because that is what their "religion" tells them to do. Does that justify terrorism? Apparently so. Obama and his administration give muslems an open door. He blamed Bush for 9/11 and he is guilty for what happened in Orlando. He is the most guilty of anyone in in this country. He does not have the security and safety of U.S. Citizens as his main priority. That tells you all you need to know.

 

[The Guesser]

Guesser circles the bases yet again. Thanks for the meatball pitch down the middle. If there were even deeper ties with this sick nut case and a Prior Radical Extremist Muslim, all the more Reason where MASSIVE Alarm bells should have gone off when this nutcase went to purchase an Assault Weapon legally, and it should have never been allowed, although we had enough already.
Thanks Gassy, even though you're a sick, Racist, Anti Semitic Islamaphobe, you had the decency to show how right I was. More character than I gave you credit for.

 

[busterhyman]

hank johnson(d-ga)-worried about gaum being capsized. how can somebody be that dumb.notice the (d)after his name.priceless

 

[GasMan]

Guesser circles the bases yet again. Thanks for the meatball pitch down the middle. If there were even deeper ties with this sick nut case and a Prior Radical Extremist Muslim, all the more Reason where MASSIVE Alarm bells should have gone off when this nutcase went to purchase an Assault Weapon legally, and it should have never been allowed, although we had enough already.
Thanks Gassy, even though you're a sick, Racist, Anti Semitic Islamaphobe, you had the decency to show how right I was. More character than I gave you credit for.

Did u read the article with quotes from the FBI as to how this could have happened? Obviously not because u would not be in here crowing about how you are right...lol dumb ass.

 

[ScottL]

Guesser circles the bases yet again. Thanks for the meatball pitch down the middle. If there were even deeper ties with this sick nut case and a Prior Radical Extremist Muslim, all the more Reason where MASSIVE Alarm bells should have gone off when this nutcase went to purchase an Assault Weapon legally, and it should have never been allowed, although we had enough already.
Thanks Gassy, even though you're a sick, Racist, Anti Semitic Islamaphobe, you had the decency to show how right I was. More character than I gave you credit for.

So it's Obama's fault. OK then......

 

[superbeets]

Pictured in her high school yearbook, the wife of Orlando killer who could be charged as an accessory to the massacre committed by husband she met online after failed arranged marriage in Palestine

• Black-and-white photo shows Noor Salman in her freshman year in 2001
• Salman grew up in Rodeo, California with 4 sisters and Palestinian parents

• Her first marriage was to a Palestinian man arranged by her parents
• Cultural differences 'drove them apart', she later met Omar Mateen online
• Mateen was married before to a woman he met online, she says he beat her
• Salman, 30, could face charges after 'admitting she was aware of his plans'
• She 'was present when he bought ammunition, drove him to scout the club'
• A federal grand jury is being convened to hear evidence
• FBI agents visited the Rodeo home where Salman's mother lives

By CHRIS KITCHING IN LONDON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and RUTH STYLES IN RODEO, CALIFORNIA FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and MARTIN GOULD IN PORT ST. LUCIE, FLORIDA FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 12:30, 15 June 2016 | UPDATED: 15:43, 15 June 2016



This is the high school yearbook photo of Noor Zahi Salman, the wife of the gunman who killed 49 people and wounded more than 50 others in the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history.
With a muted smile and long dark hair that partially covered her forehead, she posed for the black-and-white yearbook photo at the age of 15 during her freshman year at a high school in Northern California in 2001.
Fifteen years later, Salman, now 30, may face criminal charges after law enforcement sources claimed she knew her second husband Omar Mateen planned to commit a massacre.
Salman was raised by her Palestine-born parents in Rodeo and she graduated from John Swett High School in nearby Crockett, where many of her extended family still live.
Her first marriage was arranged in the Palestinian Territories by her parents, but the cultural frictions between them - Salman an American, her husband Middle Eastern - were too great, neighbors said.
She met Mateen - security guard, bodybuilder and devout Muslim - online. They were married on September 29, 2011, near her hometown.
On June 12, 2015, Mateen unleashed his deadly attack on a nightclub of innocent people.
And according to law enforcement, Salman was aware of the plot, telling investigators she was with him to buy ammunition and drove him on location-scouting missions.

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Noor Zahi Salman is pictured at the age of 15 in this 2001 yearbook photo from a California high school

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Noor Zahi Salman (left) with her husband, Omar Mateen (right), and their three-year-old son

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FBI agents raided Salman's mother's home in Rodeo, California, a town 40 minutes north of San Francisco

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Salman's mother, Zahi, a Palestinian-born American, opened the door to a third agent after two entered

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Three FBI agents spent an hour and a half at the home, where Zahi Salman, a widow, resides

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Zahi Salman, 50, let a woman believed to be a nurse into her family home before the FBI raid

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The FBI agents parked outside the suburban home in Rodeo to question Salman's family members

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The Salman family home is in Rodeo, in northern California, on a suburban street. Zahi Slamna has four daughters - one of whom, Noor, was married to Orlando gunman Omar Mateen





Salman, who lived in an apartment in Fort Pierce, Florida, with Mateen and their three-year-old son, is the eldest of four daughters, with other relatives living in Ohio and Louisiana.
It's unclear when her parents, who served as witnesses for Salman's wedding to Mateen, came to the US. Their naturalization papers allowing them to stay in the country were approved in 1984.
According to a neighbor Jasbinder Chahal, who has lived across the street from Salman's childhood home for the last 15 years, Salman's parents tried to shelter their four girls as they grew up.
'Noor never played in the street, and the girls were never allowed to drive,' Chahal said.
After graduating, she stayed somewhat reclusive.
'You know, some kids after high school, they open up the box and the world is theirs. She was inside the box, just pack it up and get married,' Chahal said.
'They had a small wedding and took lots of pictures here at the house,' said Chahal. The marriage license says the ceremony took place in Hercules, California, and that an imam officiated.
Of Mateen, Chahal said, 'He was shorter than her and did not seem very friendly.'
Salman rarely came home to visit after she married because Mateen would not let her, Chahal said.
She quoted Salman's mother telling her that Mateen even tried to keep the daughter from traveling home to see her father when he was sick.
Eventually Noor managed to scrape together the money to visit before her father died in a local hospital, Chahal said.




Mateen was shot dead by law enforcement at the climax of his attack.
A federal grand jury is now being convened to investigate his widow.
The jury will hear evidence on what Salman knew about his intentions, and criminal charges could be brought against her as early as Wednesday, a law enforcement source told Reuters.
She could face charges as an accessory for allegedly failing to report Mateen's plans to authorities.
On Tuesday, FBI agents visited the home of Salman's mother, Zahi, in Rodeo, California, a small town north of San Francisco.
A woman, believed to be Zahi, a widow, came to the door when Daily Mail Online visited but refused to say anything beyond that the family are 'OK'.
The woman added: 'We are OK but we don't want to say anything. I am waiting for my daughter and to hear of her son. We will be OK.'
Shortly after the FBI departed, a neighbor Chuck Surman, 54, approached the house to leave a bunch of flowers on the mat.
Asked why, he said: 'I wanted to do something for her [Zahi]. You can't help what your kids do. I was shocked when I heard.'
Another neighbour said Salman only visited her mother once after she married Mateen.
Salman's mother 'didn't like him very much. He didn't allow her [Noor] to come here,' neighbor Rajinder Chahal told Reuters.
He said he had spoken to Noor Salman's mother after the Orlando attack, adding. 'She was crying, weeping.'

First appearance after: Salman seen on Monday night arriving at her home to collect her belongings

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Noor Zali Salman in a family photo with her husband. A second-generation American, Salman was born into a well-to-do Palestinian family who emigrated to California from Ramallah, in the West Bank, in the 1970s

Also facing questions: Omar Mateen's father Seddique Mateen, who said he knew nothing about his daughter-in-law's alleged complicity

Jasbinder Chahal told the Associated Press that Salman is 'very nice ... not the smartest, but she was beautiful.'
'You know, some kids after high school, they open up the box and the world is theirs. She was inside the box, just pack it up and get married,' said Chahal. 'They had a small wedding and took lots of pictures here at the house.'
Growing up, Salman's parents tried to shelter their four girls.
'Noor never played in the street, and the girls were never allowed to drive,' said Chahal.
Chahal told AP that Mateen did not seem very friendly and was told by Salman's mother that he also kept her from driving until recently.
She said Salman's mother also told her that Mateen even tried to prevent Salman from traveling home to Rodeo to see her ill father before he died.
Salman's cousin Sana, 24, also lives close by but when approached by Daily Mail Online, said she did not know Mateen and had no further comment to make.
Salman's mother, Zahi, 50, still lives at the family home, which was left to her by her 56-year-old husband following his death last year.
Neighbors describe a peaceful family who are quietly religious and have never caused trouble on the tranquil street on which they live.
Glauber Franchi, 38, who runs a cleaning company and lives with his wife Jessie, 33, said: 'They have four daughters and they're all married but one.
'They're quiet - you don't see much any movement but they are nice.
He added: 'I worked for her once, cleaning her backyard. When I went there, she showed me the house and they have a lot of religious things in there.
'There are wall hangings that say 'I love Allah' but she has always been nice and there's never been any problems or anything.'

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Omar Mateen, 29, killed 49 people and wounded more than 50 others in the mass shooting in Orlando

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Investigators outside the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, where Omar Mateen killed and wounded his victims

A marriage license says Salman and Mateen, 29, married on Sept. 29, 2011, in Hercules, California, and that an imam officiated, AP reported.
Salman married him after his divorce from first wife Sitora Yusifiy, 26, of Boulder, Colorado. It was also the second marriage for Salman, whose first had been arranged in Palestine by her parents, said Jasbinder Chahal, her mother's neighbor.
Marriage documents in the Contra Costa County Recorder's office stated Salman was born in the United States while her parents' birthplaces were listed as 'Palestine,' AP reported.
It was unclear when her parents moved to the US, but their naturalization papers allowing them to stay in the country were approved in 1984, AP reported.
Salman was seen for the first time after the massacre on Monday evening as she arrived at the apartment with police.
Officers escorted her from a car to the front door. WSVN footage showed her pulling the hood of a grey sweater over her eyes to hide her face.
After collecting belongings from the home she shared with Mateen and their three-year-old son she got back in the officers' car.
Daily Mail Online also visited Salman's father-in-law, Seddique Mateen, at his home in Port St Lucie.
He said he knew nothing about his daughter-in-law's alleged involvement in his son's terrorist plot.
'I don't know anything. I will wait till (law enforcement officials) tells me,' he told reporters at the front door of his four-bedroom custom-built home on a busy boulevard.
'I don't think she was involved.'

In Orlando, FBI agents investigate outside the Pulse nightclub in the wake of Mateen's ISIS-inspired rampage


Seddique Mateen also denied reports that his son, who died in the shoot-out with police at Pulse, was gay — but then backed off when pressed further.
'I don't believe he was a — whatever you call it,' he said in response to a question as to whether his son was a homosexual. 'I have to wait and to find out myself.
'There was nothing to suggest that he was gay,' added Seddique Mateen, who looked haggard and said he was feeling ill.
When asked whether he ever spoke about homosexuality with his son, Mateen responded: 'We never had any discussions. But he was a 29-year-old adult and he wasn't living with me. Everybody has his own responsibilities.'
Mateen, whose parents were from Afghanistan, was a US citizen who was born in New York.
On Sunday evening, Uzbekistan-born Yusifiy told reporters that her marriage to Mateen had been an abusive one, with Mateen taking his fists to the 26-year-old for the smallest of misdemeanors.
'He was not a stable person,' she said. 'He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me because the laundry wasn't finished or something like that.'
Salman, however, appears to have enjoyed a longer marriage to Mateen and was included on a mortgage document in 2013.
Mateen became the deadliest mass shooter in US history in the early hours of Sunday when he stormed the nightclub and opened fire on the revelers inside.
[h=3]LEST WE FORGET: THE 49 VICTIMS OF OMAR MATEEN [/h]

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THE 49 GUNNED DOWN BY ZAHI WERE: FIRST ROW (LEFT TO RIGHT)
Edward Sotomayor Jr., 34; Stanley Almodovar III, 23; Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo, 20; Juan Ramon Guerroro, 22; Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera, 36; Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz, 22; Luis S. Vielma, 22.
SECOND ROW Kimberly Morris, 37; Eddie Jamoldroy Justice, 30; Darryl Roman Burt II, 29; Deonka Deidra Drayton, 32; Alejandro Barrios Martinez, 21; Anthony Luis Laureano Disla, 25; Jean Carlos Mendez Perez, 35.
THIRD ROW Franky Jimmy Dejesus Velazquez, 50; Amanda Alvear, 25; Martin Benitez Torres, 33; Luis Daniel Wilson-Leon, 37; Mercedez Marisol Flores, 26; Xavier Emmanuel Serrano Rosado, 35; Gilberto Ramon Silva Menendez, 25.
FOURTH ROW Simon Adrian Carrillo Fernandez, 31; Oscar A Aracena-Montero, 26; Enrique L. Rios Jr., 25; Miguel Angel Honorato, 30; Javier Jorge-Reyes, 40; Joel Rayon Paniagua, 32; Jason Benjamin Josaphat, 19.
FIFTH ROW Cory James Connell, 21; Juan P. Rivera Velazquez, 37; Luis Daniel Conde, 39; Shane Evan Tomlinson, 33; Juan Chevez-Martinez, 25; Jerald Arthur Wright, 31; Leroy Valentin Fernandez, 25
SIXTH ROW Tevin Eugene Crosby, 25; Jonathan Antonio Camuy Vega, 24; Jean C. Nives Rodriguez, 27; ; Rodolfo Ayala-Ayala, 33; Brenda Lee Marquez McCool, 49; Yilmary Rodriguez Sulivan, 24; Christopher Andrew Leinonen, 32.
SEVENTH ROW Angel L. Candelario-Padro, 28; Frank Hernandez, 27; Paul Terrell Henry, 41; Antonio Davon Brown, 29; Christopher Joseph Sanfeliz, 24; Akyra Monet Murray, 18; Geraldo A. Ortiz-Jimenez, 25.


The shooter dialed 911 shortly before the attack to declare allegiance to the Islamic State terrorist group and died in a hail of gunfire while attempting to escape a police SWAT team three hours later.
The deadly rampage at Pulse claimed the lives of 49 innocent people - among them Eddie Justice, 30, whose panicked text messages to his mother Mina made headlines around the world.
Other victims of America's worst ever mass shooting included Edward Sotomayor Jr, 34, Kimberley Morris, 37, and Wizarding World of Harry Potter employee Luis Vielma, 22.
Vigils for the victims have been held around the world, with thousands crowding streets, parks or venues in cities such as London, New York and Sydney.
The massacre, which also left 53 injured, has led to renewed calls for gun control with Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders telling reporters he hopes to see a total ban on assault weapons.
Meanwhile, it emerged that the FBI missed two chances to stop Mateen, who was interviewed after links to an American ISIS fighter were uncovered.
Mateen, who worked for British security company G4S, also allegedly cheered on the 9/11 terror attacks according to high school classmates - and would make plane noises on the school bus in a bid to upset them.
Glauber, who says he has been left troubled by his neighbor's connection to terror, added: 'It's such a small world - you don't even know your neighbors anymore. Everybody will be judging everybody now.'
[h=3]HOW MATEEN SIZED UP TARGETS - WITH HIS WIFE'S ASSISTANCE[/h]WALT DISNEY WORLD
Omar Mateen and his wife Noor Zahi Salman allegedly visited Walt Disney World in April.
It has now emerged they may have gone more than once.
Officers believe Mateen was looking at one park in particular: Downtown Disney.
Downtown Disney is billed as an 'eclectic mix of unique boutiques, one-of-a-kind eateries and jaw-dropping entertainment that will have you wondering where the day went.'
There is no bag check or metal detector to get in.
The other four parks at Disney World - Magic Kingdom, Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom and Epcot - all have metal detectors.
Walt Disney World has yet to comment on this report.
PULSE
Mateen had been spotted at Pulse multiple times by patrons, and would often sit in a corner drinking alone.
Ty Smith told the Orlando Sentinel that he had seen Mateen at least a dozen times at the gay club, and that on occasion he 'would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent.'
He also said that he did not talk much to Mateen but that he did tell him he had a wife and a son and would at times speak about his father.
He was in the area for several days before the attack according to a source who spoke with USA Today, suggesting he had carefully selected his target.
And now Salman has admitted she once drove Mateen to the club to check it out.


Pictured: Inside the apartment terrorist Omar Mateen shared with wife and three-year-old son as FBI raids their home for evidence
Daily Mail Online obtained photographs inside the killer's apartment in Fort Pierce, where investigators did a sweep on Sunday.
The walls of the apartment are adorned with photos of Mateen's three-year-old son. Loads of toys including a Spiderman bicycle, toy trucks and Mickey Mouse posters can be seen throughout the two-bedroom home.

What looks like a ceremonial sword sits proudly by the TV set in the living room and workout equipment sits in a corner. Mateen was known to be obsessed with his physique and had taken steroids.
The master bedroom has red sheets on the bed and a bureau is adorned with balloons, photos and bottles of a woman's perfume.
Apartments in the building rent for between $600 and $1,000 at the property. Daily Mail Online learned exclusively that Mateen was earning $1,600 a month from his job at G4S Secure Solutions in Jupiter.

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Star Wars bedding and posters adorn the walls of Mateen's son's bedroom along with baseball hats and a Ninja Turtle backpack

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Pictures of Mateen's son adorn the walls and the refrigerator of the apartment in Fort Pierce. Boxes of cereals line the top of the fridge

Law enforcement officers surrounded the complex on Sunday, and even brought in bomb detonation equipment as they searched Mateen's apartment.
Mateen earned an associate's degree in criminal justice from Indian River State College in Fort Pierce, and expressed interest in joining the police force.
Instead, he worked as a security officer, a fact that comforted other members of the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce where he worshipped, Syed Shafeeq Rahman, the head of he mosque, said.
After spending most of the day searching Omar Mateen's Port St. Lucie home, cops and the FBI moved on to the custom-built four-bedroom home a couple of blocks of north on Bayshore Boulevard where his parents live.
Neighbor, Tony Schneider, a retired deputy sheriff told Daily Mail Online that Seddique and Shahla Mateen are 'the nicest people in the world.'

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What looks like a ceremonial sword sits proudly by the TV set in the living room of Mateen's apartment

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Mateen weights sit in a corner of the home. He was obsessed with his physique and even took steroids

'They are very Americanized, he said. 'Just very good neighbors. I have known them for six years and have never had any problems with them.
'My heart goes out to them — of course if they were involved they can rot in hell, but I otherwise I feel so sorry for them.'
Schneider said that Seddique — who he knows as Sid — can often be seen in his yard and walking up and down the street. He said he did not know his wife nearly as well.
'I believe he is in insurance, he has done well for himself and they have three daughters, all went to college, who I believe are in the medical field.
'But I didn't know the son. I saw his picture on television this morning and I recognized him, but he only came here rarely.'

Read more:

• Federal prosecutors convene grand jury to investigate wife of Orlando massacre gunman, source says | Fox News
• Source: Orlando gunman's wife knew he wanted jihadist attack - CNN.com

 

[GasMan]

Lock her up, bulldoze the mosque and deport the father. Fuck them

 

[superbeets]

We, the people..... want her charged as an equal party.



Charge her. Get the proof you need and indict her for murder.

She needs to be made an example of.


About time. There's always someone who knows what's going on and could prevent these massacres.

 

[superbeets]

Guesser will administer cunnilingus.

 

[SheriffJoe]

B-b-b-but Gassy...fact check and snopes say it's a "hate crime"

:Carcajada:

 

[GasMan]

DOJ will take over and decide shes innocent.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

DOJ will take over and decide shes innocent.

That’s not as far fetched as some may think.

 

[ScottL]

Guesser will administer cunnilingus.

Who here is more cunning than Guesser? Who here is a better linguist than Guesser?
No One!
I say he should Go Downtown!!!

 

[Acebb]

Hate crime LOL....is Guesser ever right?

Guesser is literally wrong about every thing posted here.


Orlando shooter posted this on Facebook right before the shooting

Anti-gay!!!!

 

[GasMan]

Wow Guesser absolutely wrecked again

 

[ScottL]

Guesser is literally wrong about every thing posted here.


Orlando shooter posted this on Facebook right before the shooting

Anti-gay!!!!

Even Fucking Rachel Maddow gets what the guesser can't grasp, the 'Terrorist Business Model'.
Transcript of a segment of her Monday show:


When the U.S. expanded air strikes against ISIS into
Syria in September 2014, ISIS went a little nuts about that. Not to say
they weren`t nuts before. But they were super angry about those air
strikes in Syria targeting them, to the point where their spokesman
basically embarrassed himself in a public statement that he put out at the
time.


It was an ISIS message specifically to Muslims living in the West, telling
ISIS supporters around the world that in the name of ISIS, people should
commit terrorist attacks in their home countries. Quote, “If you can kill
a disbelieving American or European, especially these spiteful and filthy
French or an Australian or a Canadian or any other disbeliever from the
disbelievers waging war, then kill him in any manner or way, however it may
be.”


Then we get to the specifics. “Smash his head with a rock or slaughter him
with a knife or run him over with your car or throw him down from a high
place or choke him or poison him.”


ISIS was so unnerved by the U.S.-led coalition air strikes that started
against them in the fall of 2014 that their spokesman literally responded
by putting out a statement telling people to find a filthy Frenchman and
hit him in the head with a rock. It was a very strange statement, right,
especially because of its weird specificity.


But however strange it was, it also marked an important tactical change for
them as an organization, because in that statement, that angry, weird
statement from ISIS saying how mad they were that all these Western
countries were bombing them now, in that statement, ISIS stopped
calling on their Western supporters to leave their homes and travel to Iraq
and Syria to join the Islamic State, and they instead told their Western
followers that they should stay where they are in the West and commit
attacks there.


They also said, and this ended up being important, “Do not ask for anyone`s
advice and do not seek anyone`s verdict.” Meaning, don`t ask for our
permission. Don`t ask for anybody`s permission. Consider this to be your
permission slip. Go ahead. Don`t tell us you`re going to do it, just do
it.


So, that`s September 2014. Don`t come here, don`t ask us, you don`t need
to hear anything from us other than this, just go do it, go kill civilians
in your home country with any means that you have, even if all you have is
a car or a rock. Do that, we`ll consider that you being an ISIS fighter
and being part of our movement and helping what ISIS is trying to do. That
was issued September 21st, 2014.


Two days later, in Australia, which is one of the countries specifically
mentioned as a good target for attacks in that statement, two days after
that statement an 18-year-old kid, alleged ISIS sympathizer in Australia,
walked up to a police station in Melbourne, pulled a knife, stabbed two
police officers before he was shot dead.


Australia famously has strict gun laws so presumably that kid had a hard
time accessing firearms. But he did get himself a knife. He used what he
had at hand.


Less than a month later, Canada. I guess the guy didn`t have a knife, but
he did have a car. The ISIS statement suggested that as an option, right?
Run him over with your car was one of the things they suggested. Well, in
October 2014, an alleged ISIS sympathizer in Canada used his car to run
down two Canadian soldiers in the street. Just outside Montreal. He
killed one of the soldiers and cur injured another.


Two days later, another alleged ISIS sympathizer shot and killed another
Canadian soldier who was guarding a war memorial in Canada`s capital city,
then stormed into the nearby Canadian parliament and shot the place up
before he himself was shot and killed. The day after that, October 23rd,
2014, this guy took a run at four New York City police officers near a
subway platform in Queens. He was armed with a hatchet. He tried to
attack these cops with an ax.


That was the end of October 2014. The statement had come out in September
2014. Before the end of that year, another alleged ISIS sympathizer had
taken 18 hostages inside a Sydney, Australia cafe, killed two before he was
killed by police.


A week later, another ISIS sympathizer used his car to drive into a crowd
of pedestrians in Dijon, France. He injured 13.


The day after that, in another part of France, another alleged ISIS
sympathizer drove into another crowd of pedestrians. This time it was a
Christmas fair that he drove into. He injured 11 people there.


So, there was this ridiculous ISIS instruction that fall, kill people at
home where you live using anything you can and that will somehow help our
movement. Just kill people by any means. That will somehow help ISIS get
its way in the world.


It was insane, right? It was very strange. But people, ISIS supporters
all over the world, apparently took it to heart.


And then last spring, ISIS for the first time was able to claim credit for
an attack that took place in the United States. The first ISIS-affiliated
attack in the United States was Garland, Texas. Two attackers armed with
assault rifles and semi-automatic hand guns put on body armor, drove to the
site of an intentionally provocative art contest in Garland, Texas, for
cartoons showing intentionally blasphemous depictions of the Prophet
Muhammad. They opened fire at their target. They wounded one security
guard, before both attackers were themselves killed by police.


Police later said they found computer printouts of the ISIS flag inside the
attackers` car. Police later determined on the way to this attack, one of
them had gone online on Twitter and pledged his formal allegiance to ISIS.


Quote, “Minutes before Elton Simpson arrived at the cartoon event in
Garland and began shooting, he went on Twitter one last time to link the
attack to the Islamic State. He tweeted the brother with me and myself
have given bayah to the emir of the believers, the leader of the Islamic
State, Abu Bark al Baghdadi, quote, “May Allah accept us as mujahideen.”
So, ISIS has evolved to make this as easy as possible for would the-be
terrorists, right, for the would-be attackers in the world. Remember, in
their September statement, they say, don`t ask for anybody`s permission.
Don`t ask us, just do this.


Even though they don`t want anybody to ask for their permission, though,
they do want credit for anything that anybody does in their name. So what
they`ve asked their supporters to do is not ask them permission ahead of
time, but once they`ve decided to do it, they want those attackers to make
a public pledge of allegiance to ISIS, some public forum somewhere.


I mean, ISIS may never know that these guys existed before the attacks
started taking place, but once the attack is under way they want a public
pledge of allegiance so that attack instantly becomes an ISIS attack, even
though this ISIS organization, this group in Iraq and Syria, never had
anything to do with it directly.


And so, you get these claims of ISIS allegiance and they have a big range.
You get everything from formally produced martyrdom propaganda videos for
trained ISIS fighters who did the attacks in Paris in November, in Brussels
this spring. You also get these hurried tweets from the guy on his way to
go shoot up the cartoon contest in Garland, Texas. You also get the
harried pledge of ISIS allegiance in the midst of the terrorist attack in
San Bernardino in December.


In the midst of that attack with all its complexity and adrenaline, they
take time out to post on Facebook, that they, this is for ISIS. They
pledged allegiance to ISIS.


Since that last international call to action in September 2014, there have
been all these attacks all over the world in all those countries named in
that statement. Since that went so well for them, last month, ISIS did it
again. They put out another call for more of the same. Same ISIS
spokesman who put out that call for people to carry out attacks with cars
and rocks and knives in 2014, he just put out another statement last month
calling again for Western ISIS supporters to commit attacks at home, this
time they`re specifically naming the United States as a place they want
attacks.


And these guys are wordy birds. They were very full of themselves. They
go on and on, blah, blah, blah, how terrible America is, how great they
are, blah, blah, blah.


But then they get to the instructions part of it for their supporters in
the West. They say they specifically direct this to soldiers and
supporters in Europe and America and again what they tell them to do is
don`t come to Iraq and Syria, don`t travel to the Islamic State. Instead,
commit an attack at home.


Quote, “Truly the smallest act you do in their lands is more beloved to us
than the biggest act done here. It`s more effective for us and more
harmful to them.”


They say they know they hear from their supporters that they wish to reach
the lands of the Islamic State. But, quote, “Each of us wishes to be in
your place to make examples of the crusaders day and night, scaring them
and terrorizing them until every neighbor fears his neighbor.”


The ISIS spokesman says that is has heard from its supporters in the West
that they`re frustrated, they can`t carry out terrorist attacks because
they can`t reach military targets, they also say they`re hearing some
objections from their supporters. Quote, “It has reached us some of you do
not act due to finding fault with targeting those who are called
civilians.”


But ISIS in the statement put out last month specifically says, don`t worry
about that. Actually what they want is attacks on civilians. They`re
basically telling their supporters, not only don`t come here to Iraq and
Syria to fight with us, but if you are going to stay home and fight, please
don`t pick a military target, don`t pick a symbolic target, don`t pick
something hard to attack, please just kill random people, they actually
prefer that. ISIS says that`s better.


Quote, “Know that targeting, know that your targeting those who are called
civilians is more beloved to us and more effective as it is more harmful,
painful, and a greater deterrent to them.” So go forth.


And they specifically call for these attacks to happen during Ramadan,
which this year is happening right now. So that`s one context for
understanding what just happened here. I mean, now our latest American
pledge of allegiance to ISIS came apparently in a 911 call that was placed
from the bathroom of the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, where 49
people were killed on Saturday night and Sunday morning. It was the worst
terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.


What set this off in the near term remains to be seen. A lot of times,
it`s this, you know, complicating and clouding factor in is-inspired
attacks around the world that the person who`s carried out the attack is
not thought to just be an ISIS sympathizer, they`re also thought to be
mentally ill or motivated by criminality or some motivated by personal
animus. That`s confusing and conflicting and clouding to us, but ISIS
doesn`t particularly care. They don`t care if it`s just nut jobs doing
their work. They just want credit for the attack.


And in this case, the proximate cause is not known. There are reports
that the shooter in Orlando was not making his first visit to that gay club. Some
people who are regulars at the club said he had been there many, many
times. That reporting from “The Orlando Sentinel.”


There are also reports that he was at least known to have
messaged gay men on gay dating apps. I mean, what does that mean? At this
point, we don`t know.


It could be that he was gay. It could be that he was not gay but was
hanging out there and trying to get to know gay people or patrons of that
club specifically basically as a way of casing the joint.


I mean, ISIS has taken great pains to not just claim this attack as their
own but to specifically focus on the fact that its victims were LGBT. ISIS
has filmed a lot of executions and massacres for the purpose of propaganda
over the last couple of years, but among the particularly gruesome
executions they have filmed and publicized are at least eight different
instances in which men have been stoned to death or thrown off tall
buildings or both for the crime of being gay. The earliest report we have
of ISIS doing that was Syria, November 2014, the most recent one was
earlier this year in Iraq.


It`s also, frankly, possible there was a racial component to the proximate
cause here. It was a Latino night at that club. A vast majority of the
victims have Hispanic surnames. At least one witness report from a
survivor describes the killer asking hostages to tell them their ethnicity.
It`s possible as anything else that in terms of the proximate cause, maybe
the target was chosen and the attack planned as some sort of sick racial
grudge. Or maybe it`s a combination of all of them. Maybe it`s that club
represented a dense concentration of civilians, oh goody gay civilians,
that he could kill as long as he got near enough to them with his legal
military-grade weapons and sufficient ammunition and sufficient malice
aforethought. We don`t know.


But ISIS doesn`t care. ISIS will take it happily. They want all the
credit for just what happened in Orlando.


This is now their terrorist business model. Don`t ask permission, kill
where you live, don`t pick hard targets, pick soft targets, the more
civilians you kill the better, kill using any means you have at your
disposal, live out your grudges, target whoever you feel like, go nuts, be
nuts, we don`t care, just credit it to us.


We don`t yet know and ISIS doesn`t care what drove this particular kill
tore that particular place, that particular night, to do what he did. But
ISIS believes whatever the proximate cause here, whatever kind of nutjob
this guy was, ISIS believes this is how they win.


They believe you`re making war on us? This is how we win a war against
you. They believe something like this rebounds to them and makes them
stronger. Are they right?

 

[ScottL]

Guesser circles the bases yet again.